Talk:Illinois Public Media

Untitled
This page needs to be split 69.29.134.242 00:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why? - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 09:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced material
The following is unsourced information:

While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 09:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In 1970, WILL-TV provided some of its programming to ABC affiliate WJJY-TV in Jacksonville, as a public service measure. WJJY would fold in 1971. In 1983, channel 14 would return to the airwaves, as PBS station WSEC.
 * The use of dayparts of now-defunct WJJY-TV (ABC) for daytime educational progamming is cited here and that source is used in the WJJY-TV article. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 05:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Splitting proposal
I propose that this article be split into three separate pages called WILL (AM), WILL-FM and WILL-TV. The stations are notable enough on their own to have their own pages. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 10:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * What is your affiliation with WILL or The University of Illinois? Proposed over a decade ago and rejected.  Please find “another project”.  beatgr (talk) 17:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Why would you think Mvcg66b3r is affiliated? Also, "find another project"?  Is that an invitation to leave Wikipedia?  It doesn't sound very nice.  What's all this about? --Closeapple (talk) 20:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose so far &mdash; WP:WHENSPLIT (which is informational) reminds us that both article size and notability should be considerations for splitting. This article is still nearly stub size even without splitting: 15,500 characters wiki, maybe 4500 characters of prose; I seem to be the only one to have even added any substantial content in the last few years.  None of the stations have joined or left; it's always been a single operation with a shared history, and shares one main website that clearly treats WILL/Illinois Public Media as a single operation.  The organization (not one radio station or the other) helped found National Public Radio.  WP:BROADCAST (an explanatory page) says that full-power broadcast stations are "presumed" notable, but sister stations with the same branding are questionable.  Presumed notability is not inherent notability, and special situations always pop up; this seems to be one of those situations.  The only subtopic that has its own article is Prairie Fire (TV series). --Closeapple (talk) 20:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose This isn't a state network; all three sections just don't have the breakout potential to survive as stubs alone and each station is intrinsically linked to the other. There's no bloat in the article, which would usually throw me towards a keep, but I'm just not seeing it.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:02, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Support with a caveat I think the television station could be broken out into a separate article from the radio stations, but it would necessitate expansion of the content in the existing section on the WILL-TV with appropriate citations if any are available. TVTonightOKC (talk) 14:22, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Support split. Each station airs its own programming, separate from the others, and has a long history that while connected to the other stations is nonetheless distinct. There is plenty of potential for expanding the coverage of each individual station.--Tdl1060 (talk) 23:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support split and Support Tvtonightokc's caveat: See no reason why these stations couldn't have seperate articles of their own...and why they haven't already. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 16:55 on August 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * I see discussion above about "no reason why they couldn't" or a non-specific "potential" but those don't really meet the criteria, especially for subjects that are already covered in an existing article like this. I don't see any affirmative evidence of existing content that would result in a full article per WP:PAGEDECIDE rather than a permastub.  A "long history that ... is nontheless distinct" might be at least partial evidence &mdash; if it existed in tangible form.  Where is it, then?  I'd like anyone to demonstrate a substantial, verifiable addition to this article that is clearly only related to one of the three stations and isn't (1) a recitation of the infobox, transmitter or license parameters, (2) cruft that we usually don't allow in well-edited articles (e.g. season schedules, milestone lists), or (3) boilerplate (like those digital TV transition dates that every U.S. TV station article has pasted in with fill-in-the-blank). --Closeapple (talk) 07:25, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support split I have added information for all three stations, which I believe is sufficient to make it desirable for each station to now have its own page.--Thomas H. White (talk) 20:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Split tentatively planned for tomorrow I believe that all of the outstanding concerns have been addressed, so unless someone objects I plan to split the current WILL page into four parts tomorrow. This will consist of:
 * 1) Transfer the AM station information from WILL to WILL (AM), and convert WILL (AM) from a redirect toward WILL into a standard page.
 * 2) Transfer the FM station information from WILL to WILL-FM, and convert WILL-FM from a redirect toward WILL into a standard page.
 * 3) Transfer the TV station information from WILL to WILL-TV, and convert WILL-TV from a redirect toward WILL into a standard page.
 * 4) Expand the remaining WILL content to include more information about Illinois Public Media, and rename WILL to Illinois Public Media. Currently Illinois Public Media is a redirect toward WILL, this will have the effect of changing WILL to become a redirect toward Illinois Public Media.-- Thomas H. White (talk) 13:50, 14 December 2020 (UTC)