Talk:Imagin

Singularity Point
Just a quick inaccuracy I noticed. This section of the article states that the Imagin who form a contract with a Singularity Point do not have physical forms outside of DenLiner (as a characteristic of contracts with Singularity Points). This is not the case. Ryotaro's Imagin do not have physical forms outside of DenLiner because he did not form any contracts with them. They may refer to Ryotarou as their "contract holder", but it is simply an easy way of indicating that this is the human they are linked to.

In the beginning of the series, Momotaros would bug Ryotaro to reveal his wish. Both Momotaros and Kintaros ask Ryotaro for his wish when he seems to be suffering from exhaustion, due to the four Imagin he has to support. This indicates that no contract exists between Ryotaro and the Imagin.

The Imagin only gain physical forms in the final story arc when Ryotarou inadvertantly tells Kintaros his wish, thus allowing a contract to be formed. The story kinda fudges it with the other Imagin, but meh.

In short, this section of the article needs to have this inaccuracy removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.55.17 (talk) 19:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Formatting
I've applied a different style of format to the recent villain entries, but Im having trouble with teh cosmetics of it. Right now, its kind of difficult to distinguish between the field labels and their actual entries. Anyone have any ideas? Floria L 21:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed. I think. Floria L 22:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Imagin Mythology Basis
Just wondering what sources state the mythologies supposedly inspiring each villain Imagin. DJ Kidna 22:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

JA wiki and the Imagin databases on site. These things should be pretty obvious, tv-asahi updates profiles weekly. Floria L 22:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't read Kanji, and more often than not, tv-asahi uses images with Kanji in them instead of just typing in Kanji on the webpage, making translators useless. I'm usually pretty good about reinterpreting translators correctly, so any advantage I have in that aspect is useless. Thanks for the reply though. DJ Kidna 23:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Gigandeath Mythology Basis
The three Gigandeath types are modeled after Ziz, Leviathan, and Behemoth. Fractyl 02:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Ryuutaros
The official website doesn't state a myth for Ryuutaros, while it does for the other 3, so I'm removing the sentence referencing Tatsu no Ko. Also, just in terms of basic Japanese culture, the other three stories are stories that every child learns (so the references are obvious), while Ryuutaros doesn't seem to fit anything that I can think of. --Egocentrism04 16:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Check over at JA wikipedia, they cite the very same story. It was discussed in an early press release, and perhaps they just haven't updated the website yet. Also, the translations aren't meant to be taken so literally, it defeats the purpose of the characters saying it with their personality. Thats why nothing always translates into English so perfectly. He isn't saying he's not listening, its saying that he can't hear. Floria L 18:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The website specifically states that Ryuutaros came from Ryotaro's concept of a dragon, rather than not stating anything at all, which is why I brought it up in the first place. Considering the website has the myths for the other Imagin (*all* other Imagin, not just the main ones), it's obviously not an update issue. The early press release information is good enough for me, but that's not cited, so I had no way of referencing that. So, I don't really mind, but it really should've been cited, because it's not on the official website. You know, the canon vs. non-canon thing.
 * With the translations, though, I changed them so that the English connotations fit with their Japanese connotations. Ryuutaros, for example, does whatever he wants, however he feels like it. So, he just doesn't listen to the answer, hence my change (like a "Lalala, I'm not listening" rather than a "What? Did you say something". An intentional misunderstanding; he doesn't pretend that he can't hear, he just ignores it). Moreover, the Japanese for "can't hear" would be "kikoenai", while "kikanai" is "won't listen". Plus, I don't think "I don't hear your answer" quite fits in normal English, anyway... It's just coincidental (or maybe not) that the translations which fit both connotations, *and* are grammatically sound, *and* match their personalities, happen to be similar to their literal translations. For Urataros, he usually is extremely polite, but his catchphrase uses the very impolite "omae", and his "question" is obviously rhetorical. So, my less polite translation fits his sudden impoliteness. Moreover, "tsuriageru" has connotations in Japanese similar to "catch" or "trap", while "string you along" means...something, I suppose, but isn't really in common English usage either. So, my translation fits grammatically, connotationally, and personality-wise. And, obviously, I've thought this through (perhaps too much), and while I agree that there might not be a "correct" translation, there are definitely incorrect translations, and I'm just correcting something I thought was not absolutely wrong, but could be improved.
 * The other two were fine, though. --Egocentrism04 20:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I re-read that and realized I sounded like an absolute jerk. So if you could pretend that I'm not a big jerk and read that, that would be good. And I still think my translations are more valid; I can explain them in more depth if you'd like. --Egocentrism04 20:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, the "kiitenai" can mean "kiite imasen", isn't it? So it can mean "I can't hear you", isn't it? ­­­—MavericK (talk) 04:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

It was revealed early on that the legend for Ryutaros was that of Taro the Dragon Boy (Tatsu no Ko Taro). The Japanese Wikipedia even mirrors this by their notation that Ryutaros is based off of the dragon from the story.

The translations for their catch phrases are as close to their actual meanings as we can make them. "Stringing someone along" is an idiom in English relating to lying, so the translation works well. Ryutaros' sayings I will have to look into (as well as compare to the subber's translation).— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 21:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the Japanese wiki says "might be based off of". Though I posted on the discussion there, so hopefully they'll be able to give me confirmation.
 * I understand the idiom, but I just don't think it fits. I'm guessing you're using that because of Urataros being a "smooth talker" and, therefore, lies a lot, but it's really going more with the fishing and catching theme (from Urashima Taro). The "fishing" part of the catchphrase is really vital, and "stringing someone along" doesn't have that connotation.
 * And in terms of using subbed material, please try not to refer to materials that aren't subbed by people who aren't native speakers of both languages (English and Japanese). I understand how hard it is to find stuff like that, but as someone who is, being told that my translations are wrong just because some English-speaking kid who is currently taking his second year of Japanese translated something differently (a rather large portion of the fansubbing groups) doesn't make me too happy. It's fine in terms of fansubbing and normal enjoyment, but Wikipedia obviously has a higher standard than that, which is why I started to help out in the first place. And I keep forgetting to sign these things. --Egocentrism04 21:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added the discrepancies into the Ryutaros section, and the translation for Urataros' phrase still fits. Stringing could be with words or with a rod and reel. Whereas its literal meaning "Would you like to fish with me?" (I have limited knowledge of the language, but I've learned how to decipher google. It does appear that a better translation is "Would you like to go fishing with me?" However, "tsurare" also means "lure" or "attract", so "stringing" may work here. The "kiitenai" and "kikanai" stuff, however, I'm not sure on yet.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 21:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's more because of the "lying" connotation, I guess. If I were to say that I picked up a girl at a bar last night, then I would use the same verb in Japanese. That has nothing to do with lying and has everything to do with being caught or trapped. And the literal translation is "Would you like to be reeled in by me?", just like when he uses it other times to talk about trying to reel in Hana or various girls on his dates. I think the key points are the fishing reference and the being lured in by Urataros. --Egocentrism04 22:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Fishing line can be construed as a string, can it not? :P— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 02:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ryulong here on "string you along". Besides, Urataros uses alot of fishing metaphors in his sentences like, "So it's true, you do need little fish to catch big fish" (Episode 6, the emerging of Gigadeath Hades). Fractyl 16:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Kintaros
The part about "Momohiki" is incorrect. The correct translation would be "Butt-Hugger". Considdering Momotaros imature Temper, its not supprising that he hates being called that ("Butt-Hugger" can be seen as a "Gay joke/insult").
 * This the TV-Nihon translation?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 08:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Den-O vs. Shin-O Imagin
Although, technically, Den-O vs. Shin-O never really happened, should we still validate their Imagin in the article? That could be put under an "Other Imagin" section or something along those lines. Sekiria 04:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Imagins' descriptions
Just a question.

I see that under Sieg's section, it is pointed out that the word 'Swan' is written on his breastplate. So why not the other Imagins of Ryoutarou's? =)

Thank you. Flashtrigger (talk) 02:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Because "Sieg" is not written on him. All of the other Imagin have their name on them in some form.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 03:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah...OK, I see now.

Thank you for clearing my doubts.Flashtrigger (talk) 06:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you referring to the fact that "Momo" can be seen in the designs of Momotaros' shoulder plate or is that just my eyes playing tricks on me? 216.236.163.39 (talk) 20:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Imagin in Cho Den-O series and Decade series
Was it verified that the Cho Den-O movie and the events in the Decade series were canon to the original Den-O series? As seen with Hibiki, just because the same cast was used does not mean that it's still the same universe. If it's not canon, wouldn't the descriptions including those events be better served in the Decade and Cho Den-O wikis? DJ Kidna (talk) 20:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on all information, the events of the World of Den-O in Decade and the Cho Den-O Series are canon due to the events of Saraba Den-O.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 23:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * But in case you're curious, the Alligator Imagin's profile is not on this page as he is more of a Decade villian at the moment until about Chou Den-O installent says otherwise.Fractyl (talk) 03:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No. The Alligator Imagin is solely found in Decade. Everything else happens in a movie that has Den-O's name listed first.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 04:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)