Talk:Imagine Dragons/Archive 1

Kil Me
Whoever wrote the article has written it from the POV of a fan, rather than from an encyclopedic viewpoint. In its current state, the article is as factual as it should be.

Additionally, It should be worth pruning out every accomplishment the band achieves and only mentioning articles worthy of an encyclopedia. With the 50 news articles linked to this before there is probably someone working for or in the band trying to make this place an ad for the band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.249.220 (talk) 18:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Can you blame em? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.59.75 (talk) 08:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

2012 Tour
Another contributor deleted the "2012 Tour" section. I was thinking a person with an account could make a page on the tour. I think this would work because I have looked at some other artists with pages, and they have a dedicated page to only the Tours.--98.125.249.154 (talk) 03:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Band's Name = Anagram?
well...there is over 100k possible answers...

heres the link:

http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=Imagine+Dragons&t=1000&a=n

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pretty sure it's Raiding Mangoes 110.33.165.72 (talk) 07:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * More likely Gained In Orgasm AndrewK760 (talk) 23:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I've been wondering about the origin of the band name since recently overhearing a character in a Thomas & Friends episode my kid was watching saying something about imagining dragons. I have no basis upon which to conclude that was the source, of course. Have they themselves mentioned how they got the name in any interviews or elsewhere? 71.63.69.193 (talk) 13:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Content dispute: temporarily protected from editing
INTRODUCTION BY PAUL ERIK: There has been edit warring on this article for a while now, and no discussion opened on the talk page. I have protected the article for the time being. I ask both sides please to refrain from calling the other side's edits "vandalism" when it could well be a disagreement in good faith. Some editors—see this edit for example—take issue with the "non-informational" opinions in the lead of the article comparing the band's sound to other bands. The same editor, or set of editors, takes issue with the description of the band forming in Utah, as that is characterized as "inaccurate" or as not telling the full story of the various early band members. I am taking no opinion as to which version of the article is better, but hope that a discussion here might bring about a better consensus. Thanks everyone. Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 00:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

//SAM ARGUES FOR LAS VEGAS —I am one of the (apparently several) people who has been engaged in the back and forth of editing this page. Paul, thanks for initiating this much needed discussion. I am also one of the people who has been accused of "vandalism," which couldn't be further from the truth. There are two sections that I take issue with. The first is the introduction about the band's music commonly being referred to as positive and uplifting in lyrics, etc. I'm not taking umbrage with the description of the music, though it's only one person's subjective take on it (others might say it is dark at times, and it certainly runs the spectrum of emotions). My problem is that an editor is clearly projecting a very narrow perspective/opinion on the music in the guise of "this is a true and important fact worth including in this article." The author posts the same two articles as references, both obscure clips from religious news outlets or blogs. In my time following the band (having read many, many articles), I have never seen this as a recurring theme, let alone even mentioned anywhere else. So it feels like more than a stretch to say their music is "commonly described" as something, particularly as a lead line in introducing curious readers to an encyclopedic article on an artist. To say the music is positive is not untrue - but to say it is "commonly described" as such and to lead the article with it is both weird and inaccurate. It's not factual.

The second issue I've had with this back and forth involves the story of the band's origins. It's true that there is some merit to both arguments about the band's origins - it appears that the user who has been promulgating the "Utah" perspective also lives there. So I assume there is some allegiance to that story. But not only does the band claim that they originated in Las Vegas (as is found in 99% of the articles I've ever seen about the band, their own website, etc.), but it appears that the facts do not bear up the story that keeps being posted here. Of the current four band members, only one of them ever attended school in Utah (and only for a short time). Most of those members did not really join until they "formed" in Vegas (at least as the band explains it). Not only that, the band did not originate with the Tolmans as they suggest. There were earlier members not mentioned here, and a more complicated storyline. So complicated, in fact, that it seems far more complex than merits a full description in the article. Suffice it to say, it's better to omit the intricacies of their formation than to have misinformation. The current iteration is inaccurate. Furthermore, Theresa did not join at the same time as Platzman, nor was she ever a member of the band. She was a touring musician who played with them for some time, much like Ryan plays with them currently. I could go on, but you get the point.

I believe the person on people on the other side of this issue is acting in a heartfelt manner, but they are misguided. I can't speak for the others who have been on my side of the fence (clearly there are a few, both here and abroad), but I assume they keep deleting these sections for the same reason as myself. As someone who has followed the band since their early days, I am 100% confident that I have this story straight. But I'm more than willing to hear the other side speak their mind (though why would they now that you've locked the page with their edits?? hopefully, you do not keep the lock on).

Best, Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 18 April 2013


 * Thanks for the detail, Sam; it makes it all the more clear that your edits were made in good faith (i.e., they were clearly not vandalism). It seems that one of the concerns, noted for example here, was that that claims you are making were not backed up with citation to reliable sources. It would be helpful to note some sources (see Verifiability) to help to continue to move the discussion forward. I took a look at the band's official website just now, and while it says they are "Las Vegas based", it does not say where the band formed. I'm not contesting your version of the history of the band (as I said, I'm not intending to take sides in the dispute) but just suggesting that anything backed up by sources is likely to move the discussion along. (By the way, the version of the page I protected was by no means an endorsement of that version, so it does necessitate the participation of other editors.) Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 03:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Paul thanks for your reasoned approach. Certainly it's fair to ask for citations to back up this position. Here's the first few I found searching below - ironically, the ones that I find that contradict these all clearly are citing the wikipedia article (as evidenced by use of the exact same language and having other wikipedia quotes next to them). It's a bit circular, but a lot of people rely on wikipedia for their primary source about bands - so the fact that someone has repeatedly added this to the band's "history" here has in fact created the very articles they are citing. Does that make sense? Anyway, here's some references that I believe fully clear up the matter:


 * The main newspaper in Vegas, the Review Journal, published this article just two months ago saying the band formed in vegas in 2008: http://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/music/sudden-success-keeping-imagine-dragons-busy


 * This recent article in The Vanguard explains the roots of this very discussion, where it points out that the band was formed in VEGAS although Dan Reynolds, lead singer had a short stint at BYU in Utah: http://bentleyvanguard.com/2013/03/07/imagine-dragons-rocks-sold-out-house-of-blues/


 * About.com also says the band formed in vegas in 2008 while Dan had been attending school in utah (they formed in vegas at summer break):


 * Pukkelpop says they were born in Vegas: http://www.pukkelpop.be/en/bands/imagine-dragons


 * The Columbian has an article that interviews the band where they talk about their formation - and it perfectly explains the whole story. Dan met Wayne in Utah, and asked him to come form a band in Vegas with him:  http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/mar/15/imagine-dragons-slowly-take-flight/


 * This prominent radio station says they formed in Vegas in 2008: http://www.1043myfm.com/pages/newmusicblog.html?article=10659241


 * Their bio on In-Sound says they were formed in Vegas: http://www.insound.com/Imagine-Dragons/A/50342/


 * Here's their bio in the Las Vegas Weekly, which has them listed as forming in Las Vegas in 2008 *right side): http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/bands/imagine-dragons/


 * This recent news article has an interview where they talk about their vegas roots: http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/music/Vegas+rockers+Imagine+Dragons+things/8091942/story.html


 * Hardly "reliable news", but users on the lollapalooza discussion board say formed in vegas: http://theboard.lollapalooza.com/showthread.php?4556-Imagine-Dragons

Now I could go on and on, but you get the picture. I think the most telling articles are not the ones that simply say "where they are from," but rather describe the process of the band's origin. They show both (a) why some people like to say they are from utah (because the lead singer was attending school around the time that he decided to form a band back in vegas, where they all moved), and (b) why they really are technically from vegas, where the "band" itself was born. All this said, I know you can find plenty of articles that say they were formed in Provo. But you will also find that 90% of those articles use these exact verbatim words: "Las Vegas-based indie rockers Imagine Dragons formed in Provo, Utah in 2009" - where did this quote come from? You guessed it: wikipedia. Sadly, it is wikipedia itself that has thrown off the narrative of this band's history. And I'm just hoping to make it right. Hope that's helpful.

Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 (talk) 05:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

//FRANK ARGUES FOR PROVO, UTAH Thank you for initiating this discussion. I am one of the people that have been trying to build band history/formation info within this article. I have no agenda other than to provide accurate, objective information. And for the record, I do not live in Utah or Nevada, nor am I particularly a fan of the band- I am completely objective here.

From my research it is quite clear that this band formed in Provo, UT and moved to Las Vegas, NV some time before they achieved broad success. On top of that, there was an overhaul of about half its members sometime after said move. Any accurate/complete article would include all this info- I have been adding the relevant and supported details I can find (i.e., they formed in Utah and were considered a college band, initially won several local competitions, etc.)  I would love for somebody to fill in the rest (e.g., when they moved, when the various members joined/left, etc.) but instead they just keep deleting the supported research that I was able to provide...deleting the entire history section makes no sense- almost seems as if it’s being done by somebody who has an agenda of hiding the band’s history altogether.

Also I realize there are plenty of sources stating the band is "from", or "based in" Las Vegas, but fewer say they originated there- and those that do, don't seem to include any actual details of the band’s formation (whereas the 'Utah' sources do).

Further, for every source saying this band originated in Las Vegas, there seem to be two stating the band originated in Utah; likewise many stating the band consisted mostly of BYU students. For example:


 * In a MusicHistorian interview, the band’s bassist Ben McKee stated “Wayne started Imagine Dragons when he moved back to his hometown in Provo, Utah. Then, he moved his band to Las Vegas, and that’s when he invited both me and Platzman to join” (http://musichistorian.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/opening-doors-imagine-dragons-bassist-ben-mckee-talks-about-the-bands-exciting-journey/)


 * The Salt Lake Tribune reported “The original incarnation of the band included three BYU students and an American Fork (Utah) native.” (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/entertainment2/56025533-223/imagine-dragons-band-com.html.csp)


 * The Spectrum reported “Imagine Dragons formed at Brigham Young University in Provo a few years ago before relocating to frontman Dan Reynolds hometown of Las Vegas.” (http://www.thespectrum.com/article/20120913/ENTERTAINMENT/309130015/Provo-Vegas-band-Imagine-Dragons-releases-major-label-debut)


 * About.com states “Imagine Dragons was formed by lead vocalist Dan Reynolds in 2008 while he was attending Brigham Young University…”

Please allow for an article to be built with a complete and accurate background/history: formation, original lineup, personnel changes, geographical moves, etc., in addition to recording/release and touring info. Any decent Wikipedia band article contains all of this.

- Frank  Jollyneedles11 (talk) 07:26, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello! It's nice to see that wikipedia is stepping in on this constant dispute over Imagine Dragons hometown. I have followed the band for years, almost 4 now to be precise. I read all the interviews and would describe myself as a dedicated fan. While that doesn't make me an outside source, it certainly qualifies me as someone who has met the band on many occasions and even has "Imagine Dragons" as a google alert :) Needless to say, I believe to find myself a verified source for all things concerning the "Dragons". The band itself claims Las Vegas to be their hometown. This can be found in every single interview I have read. I have never read any interview where the band cites Provo, Utah as their home. I HAVE read articles from either Utah-based blogs or the Salt Lake Tribune that claims that Imagine Dragons is from Utah. This is understandable, as they are merely trying to have the pride of one of the biggest rock bands being from their homebase. However, the claim is false and not backed by the band.

THERE IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE GUITARIST, WAYNE SERMON, SPEAKING OF THE ORIGINS OF THE BAND: "I moved thereafter I met Dan (Reynolds), the lead singer. He is a third-generation Las Vegas guy. So he's from there and we tried to start the band there. Obviously, there's so many bands that start in Portland or Seattle, so we started the band in Vegas and we've been there ever since." "Our band formed on June 1, 2009. That's when we all moved to Vegas and started rehearsing. Our first show was six days later and it was at this place in Vegas called the Sinister Rock Bar." http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/may/03/the-time-is-now-for-imagine-dragons/#ixzz2QoOSDzaL

DIRECT QUOTE FROM BASS PLAYER, BEN MCKEE, SPEAKING OF ORGINS OF THE BAND: “We grew up in Vegas,” McKee says. “We became the band we are in Vegas.” http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/kats-report/2012/jul/19/rise-prominence-imagine-dragons-proves-it-can-pack/#ixzz2QoTblCQ1

That is straight from the mouth of the band, and I can find tons more articles from the band itself saying the same thing. Utah claims them because Dan attended school there for a year (He ALSO attended UNLV). YES, Dan played with other musicians in Utah before starting Imagine Dragons (Andrew Tolman and Brittany Tolman, as well as Andrew Beck and Aurora Florence and MANY other musicians in the area) but neither he nor anyone else involved with the band has ever said anything about that being the official start of "Imagine Dragons".

THIS ARTICLE BEST EXPLAINS HOW IMAGINE DRAGONS STARTED: All five musicians were in school not even a year ago. Reynolds and the Tolmans were attending Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. Bassist Ben McKee and guitarist (Daniel) Wayne Sermon were across the country at Boston's Berklee School of Music. Andrew, a jazz drummer, knew Sermon, who was interested in playing with the three BYU students. He talked his pal McKee not only incoming aboard, but dropping out of Berklee for the band. They quickly wrote a batch of songs -- and decided to move to Las Vegas, Reynolds's birthplace, in June 2009. Within their first week in Sin City, they had a gig lined up at Sinister Rock Bar on East Flamingo Road. Another quickly followed at the Hard Rock Cafe on Paradise Road, where former CityLife staffer Dave Surratt was so taken with the band's energy and musical professionalism, he wrote a feature story on the newbie band the following week. http://archives.lasvegascitylife.com/articles/2010/03/11/music/fear_and_lounging/iq_34736470.txt

LAST FM LISTS THEIR ORGIN AS LAS VEGAS: Imagine Dragons are an alternative rock band which formed in 2008 in Las Vegas, Nevada, United States. http://www.last.fm/music/The+Lumineers/+similar

ITUNES SHOWS THEM AS BEING FROM VEGAS: Hailing from Las Vegas, Imagine Dragons create a sound that mirrors their hometown’s contrast of the constructed (glimmering buildings) with the natural (majestic desert). https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/night-visions/id555694735

EVERY SINGLE MAJOR WEBSITE LISTS THEM AS BEING FROM VEGAS.

I can give you more sources if needed coming directly from the mouth of the band. I have to respectfully disagree with JollyNeedles about finding 2 sources claiming Imagine Dragons is from Utah for every 1 source saying they are from Vegas. That is simply untrue. Nearly EVERY single article I ever read concerning the Dragons shows them hailing AND originating in Las Vegas, with the exceptions being those that either hail from Utah, quote wikipedias incorrect citing, or a quote from Imagine Dragons taken out of context (as Jollyneedles did above).

Thanks for correcting this! Let me know if you need any more evidence, I love all things concerning these boys and they deserve all the success they are having!

Sincerely, Jamie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.30.184 (talk) 11:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

One more thing. It seems that the main argument here is based on where Imagine Dragons ORIGINATED. Just because some of the original members went to school in Utah does not mean that is where the band STARTED. A band begins when they move to a location together, start practicing and they play their first show. If that wasn't the case, then you should also say the band ORIGINATED in Boston at Berklee because Wayne and Ben went there. But wait? That wouldn't be correct would it? And thus, saying that they originated in Utah just because SOME of the original members MET there doesn't mean thats where they started.

Sincerely, Jamie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.30.184 (talk) 11:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I can say firsthand that Imagine Dragons originated in Utah, or at least were based there for a time. I saw them live there multiple times in 2008-2009 and they always introduced themselves as a local band...they were well known as one of the top local bands at that time. I updated this page with the info I had, and included a reference but the entire band background was deleted within a day. Seems like someone is trying to control this page and show no background info on this band other than their actual work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.95.100.4 (talk) 16:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Sam again here - just want to add my last two cents. Well, at least there are no shortage of opinions on this issue, and a surprising amount of passion. =)  I just want to sum up what I see from the above discussion, which seems to have been helpful for everyone.  The most recent contributor said they played shows in Utah and won competitions there, etc.  That's clearly true from the various articles - and I do know that many considered them a local band because of the time spent there.  From what I see in these articles, the band stayed in Vegas in a house they rented, but often drove up for shows, battle of the bands, etc.  I think the band has even referred to utah as a second home sometimes.  But I think the mistake that this contributor and jollyneedles make is to take it a step further than is accurate and say that Utah is the band's origin.  I concede that it isn't a clear issue since one of them was attending school there - but the fact that the band clearly considers the genesis of their band to be in Vegas (shown in the quotes above) seems to be the most important factor.  Not because a band "chooses" where they are from, but because the "start" of a band is a hard thing to pin down sometimes, particularly when there are side projects and members coming and going in its genesis.


 * Does a band "form" when a founding member starts his first side project, only to later join with other band members in another city? Or does a band "start" when it first adopts the name that they now use?  Or else do they "originate" in the location where the majority of the current bandmates first play a show together?  Everyone here seems to be trying to nail down the "origin" answer by picking just one of these questions and saying it's the only one that matters.

To me, the most reasonable approach is to look at as many of these questions as possible, coupled with the band's own statements about where "they" believe the story for them began (surely as a result of the answers to these very questions). The current lineup's history playing together, what they consider their "first real show," the first time they all lived together, and the birthplace of all their recorded music, all point to Las Vegas. I suppose that's why they claim it. Now they may have gone to Utah for stints of time, perhaps while Dan was finishing up his first year of school there - and they definitely did play shows there early on. But they also got their chops playing local dives and hotels in vegas (where i saw them play first!), living together in the city for the first time, holding their first rehearsals, and otherwise learning to become the band they are now. In all objectivity, the balance points to Vegas. That's my take based on the body of facts at our disposal. Despite what jollyneedles claims, clearly the more detailed accounts (many of which have been posted) explain the (admittedly complicated) reasons that most articles say they are from Vegas, despite the fact that they have a long history with utah. That's my take, but i leave it to Paul to moderate on this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.156.60 (talk) 17:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

A lot of info and references have come up in all of these discussions- much appreciated, and I have to wonder how or why so much of this formation/background info never made its way into the article?? There are clearly people here with a lot of info (and passion) on the topic. Though I do have to question Jamie's assertion that I took a quote from Imagine Dragons out of context....it is verbatim directly from the article, and does not conflict with anything else in the article.

This seems to be a case of a band having various iterations; though they played under the Imagine Dragons name in 2008, their current nucleus formed in mid 2009. And all of this goes back to the point I have been trying to make...that it's all part of the band's history and background, and should be documented in the article. It's not necessarily a question of defining 'where' they formed, rather providing the facts and relevant details.

- Frank

.Jollyneedles11 (talk) 19:17, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * This is an excellent discussion; thanks everyone who has participated so far. At this point, may I suggest that people make proposals for how to phrase and source the early history of the band. It appears that there is general agreement that it is not so cut-and-dried as it would be with other bands to say "They originated in town X on date Y" so it would be best to stick to sourceable details about the early history. People could start with Talk:Imagine Dragons/Early history sandbox and perhaps also use Talk:Imagine Dragons/Early history sandbox2 if there is a competing proposal. Please cite sources between ref tags and let's see if we can find a consensus version. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 21:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like a good plan Paul. I'll try to put something together as a proposal that hopefully addresses Frank's concerns above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.156.60 (talk) 21:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Sam. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 21:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I made a brief proposed paragraph (sans references for now, but i promise to add them in if we all feel good about the draft) in sandbox 1. Frank, Paul, Jamie, and anyone else, please give it a look and let me know your thoughts? Also, I haven't heard any response on the description of the music as positive and uplifting discussion - are we ok to omit that given the points i made above?

-Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.156.60 (talk) 22:07, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The current sandbox paragraph looks much better to me than any of the previous iterations I've seen. Though the 'formed in Vegas' might still be a point of contention for some- which could be diffused with more ambiguous language like "ultimately settled" or "established itself"... I'm just mentioning this in attempt to avoid another escalation/merry-go-round of changes from some contributors out there.

As for the 'positive/optimistic' topic: there was a prior iteration from some other contributor(s) which I felt was ridiculously subjective, and had religion woven into the topic...so I re-worded it, on at least 2 occasions, in a more objective way. Overall I do feel that musical and lyrical style are appropriate topics to address in an article like this, and further that they do belong in the overview/intro section. And I know that several analyses out there of ImDragons' lyrical style do indeed call it 'positive' or 'optimistic' (particularly when comparing to other current indie bands). If this is totally false then fine...I would recommend coming up with a better assessment and/or better wording if needed.

- Frank

.Jollyneedles11 (talk) 00:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Frank - good points all around. What if we went with "established itself" as you suggested - I agree that is a little more ambiguous and perhaps more accurate.  As for the second issue - I see where you are coming from.  I don't think that the description of the music is false - I guess I just don't see it as often described in that manner (so am not sure it's accurate to say "often described as").  I probably see it most often described as anthemic indie rock, etc., rather than some sort of commentary on how the lyrics are perceived.  I just worry it gets too subjective when you veer into that area.  I even sometimes wonder about comparisons like the Muse/Arcade Fire thing, but also understand that genre categorizations are a little more objective and helpful for people, so see why maybe that makes sense to keep.  Thoughts?

24.253.116.242 (talk) 03:38, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have unprotected the article so changes can be implemented. If there are disagreements I am now quite confident that editors will come back to this discussion here, rather than reverting changes back and forth. Thanks again. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 23:32, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * many thanks for your help, Erik. Frank, thanks for having such a pleasant civilized discussion about this.  I'll paste in the version with your suggested edits, plus some references when I can.  If you have any questions or issues, please shoot them here and I'll jump back in.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 (talk) 00:19, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Provo, Utah
//CAJ27: The above edit ("Revised version with Frank's edits") doesn't work for me because it neglects to say PROVO. In you think being specific about the city is bad, then why would you say Las Vegas instead of Nevada? Writing should be parallel as much as possible--it's more logical that way. The band was in one city and then went to another city (Provo to Vegas). The another parallel option is the band was in a state and then went to another state (Utah to Nevada), but that option sucks because it needlessly conveys less information.

Regarding the band's assertions in recent articles, it doesn't matter what the band says about where it "started." I don't really care about where the band says it is "from" in the past couple years. That's somewhat subjective and very much according to the band members' preferences. What matters is the facts about their first shows and where they had their earliest fan base. The band had it's origins in Provo, Utah and where many of the members grew-up and went to school; the band members even admitted to that in past publications.

I will post some citations to support my position that PROVO is where they started:


 * "INTERVIEWER: What were some of your favorite places to perform while starting out in Utah?


 * Wayne Sermon: "Velour in Provo was a huge help to us. Corey Fox, who owns Velour, definitely gave us a chance early on when we were nobodies. He likes to kind of harbor that�he likes to [provide] a place where bands can go who don't have any fans yet, so if he believes in the music and believes in the band he'll give them a chance. That was like a second home to us."

http://www.saltlakemagazine.com/blog/2013/05/20/interview-with-utah-native-imagine-dragons-guitarist-wayne-sermon/

Notice that he said Velour was a "second-home", not Provo and not Utah, as asserted by a pro-Vegas editor in this talk page. The band had no fans until Velour helped them start in Provo, UT. While Velour was their "second-home", the "first home" was the place where they kept all their clothes and showered, probably. Like where you pay to live or where your parents live. Like your mailing address for bills and bank account statements. I see no reason to interpret this as "Las Vegas was our first home and Provo, UT was our second home."

You can even watch this 24-minute documentary that the band made with BYUtv where the lead singer talks about putting his band together for the BYU Battle of the Bands and giving it the name "Imagine Dragons." For those who don't know, BYU is located in PROVO, UT. Reynolds says that he wasn't sure he wanted to be a professional musician until he put his band together, named it Imagine Dragons, and then subsequently won BYU's Battle of the Bands. At that point he knew he wanted Imagine Dragons to be his primary professional focus. http://www.byutv.org/watch/46c7d58c-fc1d-4a6d-a5e7-636c96b75b84/audio-files-imagine-dragons

Notice also that I am not arguing to change the very top of the article where the band is listed as "from Las Vegas". But still, the article is most accurrate when it states that the band started in Provo, UT.


 * I would also be OK if the article mentioned that there is disagreement about whether the band started in Provo, UT or from Las Vegas, NV.

Caj27 (talk) 15:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

//Heyo - I haven't been a part of this last Wikipedia dialogue (though Frank and I were a part of the discussions that started this page). Is this whole conversation about saying Utah vs. saying Provo, Utah? Seems like being specific is always better to me. I don't know that your account of events is entirely correct though (e.g. the band had no fans outside of velour when they started - definitely not true at all, as I know from my personal experience). It seems like you take some liberties in your interpretation of the band quotes above. Being truly as objective as I can here, I think your point about putting the city name is a good one, but otherwise the prior language seemed accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 (talk) 03:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Is the whole discussion about Provo? No. You'll notice several subheadings I created for separate discussion: BYU, Provo, and adjectives describing the music. Each conversation is about a different thing.
 * Regarding the Provo issue and your accusation that I'm taking liberties with band-member quotes, I'm paraphrasing the quote what Wayne Sermon said, that a club in Provo, UT "gave us a chance early on when we were nobodies." Of course they probably had some fans outside of Provo. Obviously I'm not arguing that zero people liked there music outside of Provo during the early months. But Sermon indicates that the number of fans was insignificant by using the word "nobodies." The liberties I've taken have been minimal. Is there something else bothering you? The big-picture issue is that accurate edits were being removed in a suspicious manner. Please read each comment I've typed here so you understand the context of the discussion. After that, please provide alternative wording that you would think would improve the article. If you think there is a mistake, please help me to understand what the specific error is. I admit that there is much I don't know about the band's history.
 * Caj27 (talk) 17:46, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Brigham Young University
// CAJ27 speaks: So after seeing reversion edits removing references to BYU but not to Berkley School of Music references, I started to get suspicious. What I found changed my presumption of good faith for other editors: I looked up the IP address on some of the editors, and the locations were the same places as where the band was touring that exact day (for example, some city I've never heard of in Denmark). So basically, I think the band or its agents are trying to selectively revise the band's history for marketing purposes. I seriously doubt anyone from Las Vegas would revise it in that particular way. This evidence is enough to rebut the presumption of good faith. Deleting Brigham Young University systematically while never editing other schools is a bad-faith sign. Do any of the editors seriously believe that BYU is not part of the band's history?

You can even watch this 24-minute documentary that the band made with BYUtv where the lead singer talks about putting his band together for the BYU Battle of the Bands and giving it the name "Imagine Dragons." http://www.byutv.org/watch/46c7d58c-fc1d-4a6d-a5e7-636c96b75b84/audio-files-imagine-dragons Caj27 (talk) 15:39, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I placed my suggested wording in the sandbox #2.

— Preceding signed comment added by Caj27 (talk • contribs)  19:29, 28 June 2013‎ (UTC)
 * I've protected the article again, due to ongoing edit warring among a number of editors. This particular dispute appears to centre around the details of band members' attendance at Brigham Young University. I've moved Caj27's comments from the top of the discussion to a new sub-section here, as opening comments for the discussion. I am hoping consensus can be established through respectful discussion. I am acting in an administrative capacity here, and am neutral with regard to whether this content ought to be included. Please continue the discussion immediately below; thanks. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 18:01, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Paul Erik (talk), I also want to note here that similar discrimination is happening on the page for the lead singer, Dan Reynolds. Any time I add information about his attendance at BYU or even that he served as a volunteer missionary, it is quickly removed. How do we lock the article and build consensus through discussion there? Caj27 (talk) 15:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've protected Dan Reynolds (musician) due to the edit war there too. I hope this will draw the other editors into discussing. Thanks. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 18:47, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

"Uplifting" music and further description
I think editors were making the edit to describe the music as uplifting because Dan Reynolds described it this way. He also cited inspiration from particular bands.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1011&sid=18941587


 * "According to Reynolds, they have finally decided to sign with a label because "the right circumstances and timing was right." Imagine Dragons feels their fan base has really grown, and a label front can help continue to expose their music by radio and marketing. 'No band should have a goal to just sign a label,' said Reynolds. 'We got to a point where it works for us. And the reason we signed with Interscope Records is because we agreed that we still have creative control. We will still sound like Imagine Dragons.'


 * Imagine Dragons well represents Utah by remaining a positive source in an industry with ever shifting morals. Because several of the band members are LDS, they try to send a message of spirituality by not using profanity in their lyrics or in their shows. "I would probably say that I would want people to remember how we were an uplifting source for them, and how we were emotionally moving. I hope to portray an image of hope, acceptance, and non-judgment for people."


 * The music that Imagine Dragons produces could be described as having a happy, Indy feel with a fast, playful beat that is almost contagious and makes you feel the impulse to sway and tap your feet. They have a unique style with a keyboard and synthesizers to match the drum beat and guitarists, and then the almost pleading voice of Reynolds fills in the spaces with his unique vocal sound. "Some of our influences for our band were the sounds of Arcade Fire, Muse, Phoenix, and Coldplay. We have also opened for Weezer in the past. And that was cool because they were one of my favorite bands growing up," Reynolds explained as he talked about where they get some of the inspiration for their sound." Caj27 (talk) 15:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Moving towards consensus

 * Thanks for writing your proposed changes at Talk:Imagine Dragons/Early history sandbox2. At this point, we need to wait to see if other editors are on board with the changes you have proposed. In the consensus building-process we are at the stage of reaching consensus through discussion. We need to see if the multiple users who reverted your changes might explain themselves here. These include, , , , , , and perhaps some others I'm missing. It would also be helpful to have other editors offer their opinions, such as Sam (who was editing as ), Frank (User:Jollyneedles11) and Jamie . Caj27, please be sure to sign your talk-page posts by typing ~ at the end of new comments you add. This will automatically render your name and the date/time, which is helpful in following the discussion. See also other guidance at Talk page guidelines. Thanks! Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 11:53, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to wait for consensus, however my expectation is that, if no discussion appears within a couple weeks, then the article will be edited according to my sandbox 2 draft. Or something very close to it. Is my expectation somewhat close to other Wikipedians? Caj27 (talk) 01:51, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Paul Erik (talk), so considering that both pages (band page and Dan Reynolds page) are now unlocked, and I've edited both pages to match the logical consensus of the talk pages, should I do anything else besides keep checking to see if edits are made appropriately? And what should I do if I observe another edit war? So far I haven't seen anything logical in the consensus discussions regarding the edits that other users have reverted. Thanks! Caj27 (talk) 16:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your participation here, Caj27. I'm sorry that the page protection did not prompt more editors to come here to discuss. If other editors begin to edit war, you or anyone else watching the page (me included) can point them to your comments here as representing the current consensus. If there are anonymous IPs edit warring without any discussion, I might need to semi-protect the page which prevents IP editors from editing the article (but not the talk page). We'll see how it goes, and we might have to adjust the plan based on other editors' future comments here as well. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 17:55, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Well it looks like the edit-warring has already started again where editors are removing any references to BYU and Provo. Also the Dan Reynolds page is being edited in an oddly discriminatory manner. What can I do?Caj27 (talk) 16:54, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have left a message inviting User:Iamiamd1987 to the discussion. If edit warring continues, especially if it appears there is sock puppetry occurring, then the pages can be semi-protected. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've also made a request to User:Dbpr627. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 01:21, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

//Hey guys, Sam here again (from the original editing of this talk page). Erik, as always, good to see your steady hand on this. I don't know who has been involved in the back and forth on the page the last month or so (not me), but I'm happy to offer an alternative perspective to Caj27, especially as I don't see anyone on the other side of the fence here. I'm in las vegas, and would disagree with some of your contentions here, simply because they don't make sense to me. I already put in my 2 cents on the whole Provo thing above (I don't know why it couldn't say Provo, Utah rather than Utah), but I don't think any of your quotes or arguments bore up the idea that Provo was their sole genesis or merited more mention than it already had.


 * So you're ok with the switch I'm suggesting to "PROVO, UT"? Great! I'm glad you agree because editors have continued to remove the language "started in Provo, UT" and "BYU" which cite to articles that report that the band played early shows at BYU and Velour, which are both in Provo, UT. During your research about the origins of the band, did you come across the video I linked to above? You might want to watch it if you haven't since the band is interviewed and talking about their origins. I'm not sure how your last sentence aligns with your initial agreement that the article could list Provo, UT instead of just Utah. Caj27 (talk) 23:12, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

The whole "inspirational lyrics thing" also felt like a stretch to me. I'd rather we didn't put words in their mouths simply by quoting one religious paper that proffered a subjective opinion about their lyrics being uplifting, etc. I've watched tons of interviews, and the most I can gather from them is that they try to write from an honest place, sometimes positive, sometimes negative. I imagine they hope the net effect is motivating to people, as Dan said in that article you quoted, but I think going beyond that or making that a focal point is to project opinion on what should be an informative article. Anyway, that's my thoughts on it. I'll see if i can contact whoever is doing the back and forth as well to see if we can't all come to some reasonable consensus rather than fight over language. No idea about the personal page for the lead singer, I haven't been an editor on that. But i sympathize with whoever has been making the edits that i see as the subject of this discussion... My 2 cents anyway. - Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 (talk) 03:14, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It probably seems like a stretch because Dan Reynolds actually said "uplifting lyrics," not as you say "inspirational." You have questioned the article source, KSL because it is "religious". Are you suggesting that KSL misquoted Dan Reynolds because it is forwarding a religious purpose? Considering that KSL is owned by the LDS Church and Reynolds is a member of the LDS Church, I'm not sure I see the conflict? If there was some evidence that Reynolds protests that characterization of his music, then I'd be more ok. But as it stands, your argument seems like ad hominem--not logical--because you have no evidence that KSL has been reporting anything untruthful. Caj27 (talk) 23:12, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

//Sorry, sam again - one last thought. I also don't think the "commonly compared to the Killers" line seemed accurate. I'd put my level of Imagine Dragons research on par with anyone, and I can only recall maybe one, two tops times that was mentioned (and really just in the context of them being from vegas). The bands don't seem all that similar to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey Paul and all involved in this discussion. Paul, my apologies for not citing my revisions to the page. I was simply changing the page back to reflect the language agreed to on the discussion page about the band's formation. Someone has been taking liberties here and this section should read as reverted here re: the findings and agreement of the moderated discussion. In no way are my edits meant to offend or omit details that others see as being crucial to the formation of the band. However, I do believe that the formation section should not be evolving over time since it's in the past and there has already been an incredible amount of bath and forth - with a resolution that is not being observed by many editors. In the future I will be sure to cite "as per previous findings and the agreement of the moderated discussion" when making changes. One last thing - I agree with Sam that there are very few similarities between The Killers and Imagine Dragons aside from that they are both Vegas based bands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbpr627 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Dbpr627, please provide arguments that address the points I've actually made and the new consensus that is in sand box 2. The old consensus is old news. You, me and anyone else need to come to a new consensus. Maybe we should start a new sandbox (#3) to form that new consensus. Also I would like to request that further discussion be placed under each sub-heading. Like if you think BYU should not be listed on the band web page, then please list those arguments under that subheading. If you think Provo, UT should not be listed like Las Vegas, then please find that sub-heading. That way we can more easily come to consensus on individual points instead of butting heads. Thanks! Caj27 (talk) 23:12, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

//SAM RESPONDING TO Caj27 and Dbpr627 Caj27 - looks like we are pretty much on the same page here - thanks for the clear explanations and insight. I've changed it back to Provo, Utah, and imagine Dbpr27 can pipe in if he or she feels like there is merit for not keeping it. As for the inspirational lyrics argument, I see where you are coming from. I would disagree on a couple points here. Basically, there are two reasons that I think this inclusion is inappropriate here. First, to elaborate on my point about it being a religious paper. I never indicated Dan was misquoted - but I do believe that taking one word from a single religiously-owned paper to extrapolate a generality about an artist's music leads to inaccurate conclusions. Here, the full quote said "I think we try to write music that takes the listener through a whole range of emotions. Some songs are sad, some are uplifting, some are introspective." This is on point with every other article I've found on the subject. It's hard for me to understand how, in a short article about a band, it's accurate to say their music and lyrics are often described as uplifting, by citing a single reference that gives equal weight to "sad" and "introspective." See where I'm coming from? I just don't want the article to devolve into the subjective. If there were tons of articles saying "these guys write uplifting music", I'd get it - but that sounds more like Josh Groban. Seems more like their music is described as personal and emotive than anything else. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.156.60 (talk) 21:06, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for maintaining the newest consensus as the band starting in Provo, UT and also the inclusion of all schools attended by band members.


 * Regarding the "uplifting" quote, I included a quote which I had hoped you would consider as evidence--it is different from the quote you are now trying to discuss with me. It is a quote from KSL of Dan Reynolds saying: "I would probably say that I would want people to remember how we were an uplifting source for them, and how we were emotionally moving. I hope to portray an image of hope, acceptance, and non-judgment for people." Have you considered that particular quote from KSL? (trivia: KSL is not a newspaper--I think it is a tv/radio station owned by the LDS Church). http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1011&sid=18941587


 * I found the quote you're using in your repsonse to me, and I agree with you: it does seem to say that Reynolds considers only some songs uplifting. But then Sermon is quoted as saying: "...it doesn't matter if we're playing to four or five people in a lounge or in a concert hall, we want to use our music to uplift people....One thing we all share is we are committed to making music and being a positive force in the world." http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865561887/Rising-rock-band-Imagine-Dragons-trying-to-be-a-positive-force.html?pg=all


 * Reynolds is also quoted as saying in that same Deseret News article: "Above all, we try to write music that helps people cope with what can be a very hard life at times."


 * Looking at all those quotes, and knowing that the band has deep religious convictions, it's hard not to detect a pattern that would align with the descriptor. I'm focusing particularly on words like acceptance, cope, hope, positive force, help, uplift, uplifting => "uplifting" doesn't seem like such a stretch after that parade of positivity. But your opinion may differ if you think this evidence is insignificant. I don't listen to Josh Groban, but I'm sure that uplifting is a pretty generic adjective. What do you think "uplifting" means exactly? Do you believe it has some kind of negative connotation? Is there something else leading you to believe that the descriptor is reckless extrapolation in view of this new evidence? Caj27 (talk) 01:54, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Merge proposal
The recently created (by a new user) Ben McKee article is basically a copy-and-paste of information from this article. As it stands there is no reason for there to be a separate article. Spidey 104  03:00, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No opposition, so it is done. Spidey  104  19:34, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Intro section
Hi, I noticed that the introductory section for the band is very short, which is odd for a band this big. I am going to expand the section (I'm looking at Arcade Fire/Muse as examples)and I will make sure that it falls within the Wiki rules. —Jivekicks (talk) 01:58, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added some condensed information about the band that I believe is appropriate for the intro/summary section. Ta. —Jivekicks (talk) 02:28, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

COI
There's an ongoing discussion at WP:COIN, but a major contributor to this article has a significant, undisclosed COI. Kevin Gorman (talk) 21:16, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Just a small change
I just changed the wording of "Ben McKay" to "Ben Mckee" as it should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.57.107.2 (talk) 19:20, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Fan POV 2
Has the issue been resolved yet? It is plainly obvious to anyone who compares (as partly evidenced by the person below) the Imagine Dragons page with any other rock band page that the writing is consistent with that of any other rock group. It includes a fan view of the activities Imagine Dragons have participated in including music released/chart performance, tours taken, and awards given/nominated for.--50.170.22.128 (talk) 21:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Indie
would like indie-pop added to genre, as it is more fitting with various reviews of the band — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.227.52.100 (talk) 15:47, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

-Also "Pop rock" should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.113.112.90 (talk) 23:27, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Second Album
Today, Imagine Dragons lead singer, Dan Reynolds, announced that the band were starting to work on their second album.

Rjvollert (talk) 22:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 00:33, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

They aren't really indie now
Interscope. Enough said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.118.60 (talk) 20:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Indie doesn't mean independent...? Contactman7 (talk) 23:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

And in what way are they independent? Same way as every second chart-topping popular artist? 185.219.77.106 (talk) 09:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Imagine Dragons‎
I was surprised to see there was not a List of songs recorded by Imagine Dragons‎. I redirected the page to here for now, but feel free to get a list going before me if you have time and interest. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't Imagine Dragons discography be a better target? Hoof Hearted (talk) 14:33, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Band's true genre
The band's genre should be corrected. IMO saying that they're rock is just misleading. Maybe they could be classified as indie but they sound muuuuch closer to electronic music than rock or even alt-rock, just listen to their songs. And i don't know why some people in the media call them rock, i think that is just wrong. What do you think?

201.241.147.27 (talk) 21:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Frankly I think they're closer to rap than rock, and I think the rock descriptor should be removed from this page entirely. 50.77.234.17 (talk) 18:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

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Genres
OK, so i can't really change a thing without it being removed. Imagine Dragons are a lot of Genres:
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 * Indie Rock
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 * Indie Pop

We really to expand our views on their genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clawraich (Dalek) (talk • contribs) 14:27, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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Genre sourcing
What is the criteria for sourcing genres? It seems that there's no oversight whatsoever on whether the source is reputable or accurate in any way, so long as it simply mentions a specific genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justdoinsomeedtits (talk • contribs) 01:28, 8 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The source you provided for death metal says, "I Bet My Life is – in all seriousness – death metal gospel; Trouble resembles an angrier Mumford And Sons and, right at the album’s death, The Fall pulls out a closing section that recalls one of The National’s more propulsive moments." The source doesn't call them death metal. Even if the source did call them death metal it would be a controversial addition to the page because not many people, or any for that matter, associate this band with death metal. This may seem hypocritical, but genres should not be based off our own opinions but they should not be ridiculous like death metal. Sources call them alternative rock, pop rock, indie rock, electropop with elements of arena rock and hip hop, etc. I may not have agreed with your additions but the biggest reason why I removed them was because the sources did not fully support them. Bowling is life (talk) 01:41, 8 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with indie rock as a genre here, and I don't believe the sources you cite (or any source that would use that genre to describe them) are accurate in using it. So I'm wondering what I'd have to do to back that up - prove a negative somehow?
 * Who knows what "death metal gospel" means--gospel for death metallers? And at any rate that's just pointing at one single song. Drmies (talk) 01:54, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * So the only criteria for including a genre on an artist page is that some source somewhere specifically calls the band that genre? How do you dispute the accuracy of that source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justdoinsomeedtits (talk • contribs) 01:58, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Non sequitur. But basically yes, if it's a significant discussion of the artist. Which source? You seem to be just throwing out unconnected remarks--it's hard to follow your line of argument. I don't know who or what you are taking issue with. Drmies (talk) 02:00, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well I'm asking a general question, not talking about death metal gospel or whatever you're referring to in the other guy's comment. But as far as this article is concerned, I don't think the band can accurately be described as "indie rock" or "synth-pop" - certainly not per the way those genres are defined on the genre pages themselves, and the sources here do nothing to back that up; they just reference the names of the genres.


 * Yeah also good luck finding a source that calls them death metal, thrash metal, reggae, and bluegrass. Bowling is life (talk) 02:02, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean with synth-pop because the source doesn't support that one well but the sources for indie rock call them indie rock, so that should be kept. Bowling is life (talk) 03:18, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That's what I'm saying. They're calling them indie rock, I think they're wrong, and pretty much every source on the Indie Rock page backs that up, so now what? A website exists that used that term to refer to them, so it's valid no matter what?
 * Just becasue you don't agree with it doesn't mean it should be removed. It's sourced so it's staying. And what do you mean every source on the indie rock page backs that up? Bowling is life (talk) 10:46, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Broken timeline?
The timeline appears to be broken and I haven't a clue how to fix it. There are grey lines streaking from the centre top across and obscuring the names of Dan, Andrew and Wayne. Wodgester (talk) 08:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Primary genre: Rock or pop rock?
What is the band's primary genre, the one we print in the first sentence? I think we should say they are a rock band, as by far the most sources say rock versus some other genre. Binksternet (talk) 17:21, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Rolling Stone says "mainstream rock"
 * USA Today says "faceless rock"
 * Forbes says rock
 * Billboard says rock
 * Washington Post reprinted in Cleveland.com says rock
 * Loudersound.com says rock
 * Eonline says rock
 * The Guardian says rock-pop, rock and pop rock.
 * Lzzy Hale was reported as saying the band isn't rock but pop rock.
 * Mercury News says alt rock that isn't alt, which is basically saying the band is rock.
 * NPR says rock.
 * Pitchfork says rock


 * Many sources call them both. I think listing rock in the first sentence would be ok. But we shouldn't remove pop rock from the infobox. Bowling is life (talk) 19:30, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Pop rock could replace one of the other genres listed in the infobox. Based on what I see in the sources, I think we could have rock, pop rock, alternative rock and perhaps one more that could be any of the other genres mentioned in the press. Electronic elements are widely described, but the band is rarely called an electronic rock band. The "indie" moniker was applied early on, but is not found so much now. Binksternet (talk) 20:05, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

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How many infobox genres?
The guideline at Template:Infobox_musical_artist says "Aim for generality" and "preferably use two to four" genres in the infobox. At the moment, we have six:
 * Pop rock
 * electropop
 * pop
 * indie pop
 * arena rock
 * alternative rock

I propose removing two of these to reduce the number to four. The genre least connected to the band is electropop, which is not widely seen in sources. (The article shows four sources, but only one calls the band electropop. The other three describe various songs as electropop: "Thunder", "Bad Liar" and "Boomerang") If we were choosing between pop and electropop, pop satisfies "aim for generality".

Of the remaining genres, the band has been described as indie pop, indie rock and alternative rock, but all of these are similar. Only one of them should be chosen to represent the band. I would choose alternative rock as the least represented. Binksternet (talk) 15:06, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Binksternet, a new editor, @Voball the wiki man, noted the same the issue (see their talk page). I have suggested they engage here but given they are new, may struggle to navigate Wikipedia but hopefully they figure it out.   S0091 (talk) 20:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * while I am new to editing specifically Wikipedia, I have edited other wikis, (fandom namely) where people community more via discord. But that's completely irrelevant.
 * I just want Imagine Dragons to be as defined in here, as they identified themselves on their official pages, because these two would be the most common sources of common knowledge regarding this band and as such should not contradict each other
 * + I have seen posts on reddit making fun of people who think imagine dragons is a rock band and I imagine that is something that does not need to happen Voball the wiki man (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Song    review.
Strong voice but also body 2402:3A80:1C1C:5C8F:D757:83A1:DB97:56EA (talk) 06:21, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Location of where the band formed
Imagine Dragons initially formed in Provo, Utah, and there are multiple sources on this- however there are no sources linking the formation to Las Vegas, Nevada. The introduction to the page is misleading (and contradictory to the history of the band as stated later in the article) as it states that they are from Las Vegas, Nevada. I believe that this is a necessary change to the article as when you attempt to look up where they are from, this article is linked and shares the information that they are from Las Vegas, which is incorrect. WDJam (talk) 21:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Generally, Wikipedia follows the majority of published sources for things like this. I'm seeing some division in sources for Imagine Dragon, with some publications saying they are a Provo band, and others saying a Vegas band. Here's a small selection:
 * AllMusic leads with "Las Vegas group" and "Rising from the Nevada desert..." but provides a small Provo footing with "The Las Vegas-based group had its genesis in Provo, Utah".
 * Las Vegas Weekly says "formed in 2008 in Provo, Utah, and came to prominence shortly thereafter when its members relocated to Las Vegas".
 * The Morning Call said "Imagine Dragons got its start in Provo, Utah", but they describe this part as a sort of early proof of concept. They say that the band started in 2008 in Las Vegas when Reynolds asked Sermon to come to Vegas and start a "new band there."
 * Las Vegas Review-Journal paints the band as a purely Vegas institution. They talk about the band's Boston Berklee basis but they don't mention Utah or Provo.
 * KNPR says they are a Vegas band, quoting Reynolds saying "Vegas is the reason that we're a band."
 * So it's a difficult call, with conflicting sources. Binksternet (talk) 21:57, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Plus Rolling Stone: "the Las Vegas band". But we could avoid the whole question in the lead with an American pop rock band based in Las Vegas (change in italic). Makes sense as the majority of sources I look at call them a Las Vegas band, whereas where they formed can be explained in detail in the early years section.  Schazjmd   (talk)  22:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There was a dispute about this nearly a decade ago, and I feel that there wasn't a proper conclusion reached, especially with the (albeit defunct) source from BYUtv that was linked where Dan Reynolds had supposedly explicitly mentioned that he formed a band under the name "Imagine Dragons" to compete in a battle of the bands competition at BYU, and then evolved into what it is now after they moved to Vegas, which I think directly puts their origins in Provo, where BYU is located.  There are no published sources on this, but I've attended concerts at the Velour (a venue in Provo where Imagine Dragons frequently played in their early days) which has various memorabilia related to the band, claiming that they're "Utah natives"
 * I might try and contact BYU to see if I can get a hold of the linked video to confirm. WDJam (talk) 22:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That would be good to expand the early years section, but the lead should reflect how the majority of sources identify the band (which is as a Las Vegas band). I think changing from to based in addresses the concerns over whether that's really where they're "from". Schazjmd   (talk)  22:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree, and I apologize that I didn't see your previous comment. I think that that's a great middle ground and will also help to dissolve the possibility of another "edit war" over this specific part of the article as there was back in 2013.  I will still attempt to get that video from BYU public to the web to expand the early years section, as you said. WDJam (talk) 22:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @WDJam, I've made the change. Schazjmd   (talk)  22:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Breakout timeline
The way the article is currently written, it implies that playing the Train slot at that 2009 festival let directly to their rise. Per this Las Vegas Review-Journal article, there's more to the story regarding their touring with Nico Vega and playing other big shows. Would be worth rewriting that paragraph to include this. QuietHere (talk) 00:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Spider-Man Turn Off The Dark rumor officially disproven, but can't find original source
I've been aware of this reddit post for a while showing an MTV interview with Dan Reynolds, and he officially states that "I never wrote one song for any Spider-Man musical". A few other posts also mention this MTV interview, although they share the same problem I have: I can't seem to find any official recording of this interview. Is someone able to help? LegendFinder (talk) 21:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The article doesn't assert that they wrote any music for the musical. Is the rumor notable enough that the article should have a source disproving something that the article doesn't assert? Davidwbaker (talk) 22:26, 19 December 2023 (UTC)