Talk:Immanuel Jakobovits, Baron Jakobovits

Eugenics
This is from Peter Tatchell's article on wikipedia:

OutRage!'s protest against Chief Rabbi Immanuel Jakobovits, who supported the idea of eugenics to eliminate homosexuality, led to accusations that Tatchell was being anti-semitic. OutRage! leaflets citing the similarity of Jakobovits ideas for the eradication of homosexuality to those of Heinrich Himmler were distributed outside the Western and Marble Arch Synagogue on the Jewish New Year in September 1993. Rabbi Julia Neuberger, who had campaigned for gay rights, said "Drawing a comparison between Lord Jakobovits and Himmler is offensive, racist and ... makes OutRage appear anti-Semitic". She believed the action and leaflet "will alienate Jews who are sympathetic to gay rights".

Is it accurate and if it is can it be incorporated?Malick78 15:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Malick, thanks for the note. I'm not familiar with the Jewish Chronicle letter and would like to see the full text, not just the quote in article on Peter Tatchell. In any case, the current article is quite short and doesn't give much depth to Jakobovits' views on all sorts of topics, controversial or not. As a result, we need to avoid attaching undue weight to this rather marginal accusation again R. Jakobovits. Thanks! HG | Talk 15:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Baron title?
Article Name needs to be how the person was commonly known and (self-) identified. Mostly he was known as Rabbi, Chief Rabbi, and Lord J. Not Baron. Anyway, such honorifics not needed in Article Name for him, I believe. Please discuss here before moving again. Thanks. HG | Talk 03:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * From Naming conventions (names and titles): "Life peers (ie, people who have peerages awarded exclusively for their lifetime but who neither inherit it nor pass it on to anyone else)¹ use the same standard as for hereditary peers: use the dignity in the title, unless the individual is exclusively referred to by personal name. For example: Quintin Hogg, Baron Hailsham of St Marylebone (not "Quintin McGarel Hogg"), but Margaret Thatcher (not "Margaret Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher.")" Jakobovits is certainly not exclusively referred to by his personal name. In fact, he was almost exclusively referred to in the media after his peerage as "Lord Jakobovits". You will find if you read that naming convention that peerages are an exception to the general rule of "use common name", since they are in reality almost never referred to as XX, Baron X, but their articles are almost exclusively named as such. A peculiarity of Wikipedia maybe, but one that needs to be followed consistently if it's going to be followed at all. See Category:Life peers if you don't believe me - very few don't follow this convention. -- Necrothesp 19:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like I was wrong and you are right. :--)  Pending any escape hatches (another Richard Attenborough?), I'll consider myself grateful for your taking the time to educate me on this. Thanks! HG | Talk 20:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Nationality
Apart from the categories, which only state he was German, there is no statement in the article as to his nationality. He was born in what was then Germany, but moved to England. He was Chief Rabbi of the UK and Ireland; did he change nationalities or hold dual nationality? Werdnawerdna (talk) 05:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You are enquiring about citizenship, not nationality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4971:C71:48C8:6D8F:4251:F7C4 (talk) 21:04, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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