Talk:Imperium (Warhammer 40,000)/Archive 2

Suggested 40k Article Guidelines
I have:
 * An overall page of general guidelines
 * A list that defines different types of articles on differt subjects
 * For Armies "Army Page"
 * For Technology "Technology Page" (equivalent to "Weapons, Vehicles, Equipment Page", or, "WVE page")
 * For Notable Planets "Notable Planet Page"
 * (User:Pak21 already made guidelones for notable characters, but a link to that is included)


 * A statement of purpose for my guidelines
 * Left room for more guidelines to come

--Nothing offical will be done with the guidelines (moved or put to use) until several Wikipedians involved in the Warhammer 40,000 project have verified it.-- Colonel Marksman's Proposed Guidelines

Colonel Marksman 20:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Adeptus Arbites merger
I was thinking of adding the Arbites to this article lately, only to find an article already existed. The existing one is quite short, however, and would apparently fit nicely into the other pieces on the Imperium's government. Just thought I'd see if everyone agrees to a merge.

In preparation for a potential merge, I'd also like to ask around about a discrepancy I'm seeing on the subject. For example, this says that "The role of everyday control and policing usually falls to local security forces, working under the orders of the Imperial Commander and his staff.", and spends much of it's time on the Arbites describing their function as safeguards against sedition, secession and unlawful overthrow of the Imperial Commander. This gives quite a different impression from this, which says that "it is the Adeptus Arbites that enact the definitive word of the law, above all others." and the excerpt displayed from (apparently) the Book of Law shows such "everyday" crimes as loitering, grafitti and blasphemy. Like the second link, the existing article also seems to place them as your ordinary, day-to-day policeman. So which function is it they have, and if they have both, which is their primary purpose? Cygnus360 22:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Whilst I am obviously biased towards keeping the article separate (I have been the main contributor), I think the the article has potential to be expanded, such as ranks information I'm after, though I'm loathe to just go through the Calpurnia books and strip out all information within it. On top of this they are a major organisation within the Imperium (albeit a minor one in gaming terms) and most of the major organisations have a separate entry. I'm thinking a basic entry (a couple of lines)on the main imperium page with a link to the arbites page. I get the impression that their primary role is with regard crimes against the imperium, and that other crimes could be under their remit, in that if there are no other policing agencies to enforce them on the planet. It depends which source you look at. Hellfire83 14:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I do not support the merge. The Arbites are distinct enough to have an article. --Falcorian (talk) 16:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I also do not support the merge for the same reasons as Falcorian gives. - WiseGuyScunthorpe

The Arbites could be taken as additions to some armies in 2nd ed. and were availiable to the GM in the Necromunda add-on pack. For this reason I beieve that they should continue to have their own article - Drem

2000 AD Influence?
There are some parallels between the Imperium of man and the Termight Empire in 2000 AD comics: repressive governments featuring inquisitors and units in stylized armor called Terminators that fight the supernatural forces of Chaos (or Khaos, in the case of the Termight empire). That would not be enough evidence but at least two writers from 2000 AD have worked on Warhammer 40k, Games Workshop owned the rights several 2000 AD products at one time or another, and at least one RPG.net reviewer noted it. --204.118.65.208 22:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

History
The history section uses the Witch Hunters Codex as a source but doesn't cite it properly (ie, with page numbers and edition). Does anyone have the codex? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jordansc (talk • contribs).

More Influence Difficulties
It seems like the biggest connection between Starship Troopers and Space Marines is armor rather than any sort of conditioning. Also, the Imperial troops are similar to the Sardaukar but, at least not in the original novel, Fremen. Do the Fremen become more similar to the Imperial Cult in later books? And I'm not sure how the Imperial Guard's use of artillery makes a good transition to the Heinlein \ Space Marine parallel. --Jordansc 19:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Re: Fremen. Let's just say the third book in the series is called God Emperor of Dune :-) Cheers --Pak21 19:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Title of Imperium
Imperium of Man or Mankind?

I think it is Imperium of Mankind as is Emperor of Mankind. If it is Imperium of Man then emperor should be Emperor of Man (absurd)...

I am correcting it to Imperium of Mankind. If You find it wrong, don't blame me, just correct it back to what it was.


 * The current rulebook refers to it several times as the "Imperium of Man" (pages 88, 92 and 109, for example). Changing it back.  Cheers --DarthBinky 22:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The names are used interchangeably and either is an acceptable title, although I do think that the Imperium of Mankind is the more commonly used one in the books.

Suggested Planetary Defense Force merger
Since the person who suggested it did not give his reasons here, I will just state mine. I believe it should have its own article because, although not an army featured in the game, PDF's would be in the Imperium a greater force and more influential on the vast majority of worlds than the Imperial Guard or Space Marines or the rest. Because of this, I think it merits an article. 71.202.39.25 06:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The consensus was that it should not have its own article. --Pak21 09:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * While I agree with the notability argument, the flipside is that this article is already exceedingly long. I strongly believe that things should be chopped down a little if we're going to throw even more into this one.

Sojourner001 18:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * PDFs are clearly part of Imperial Guard armies/rule books. See Codex Armageddon, or look at the history of PDFs coming from tithed regiments that were left on those planets for defense. SanchiTachi 02:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Founding date
Current date of founding is given as around 20000 AD, however the most recent fluff date given in the Horus Heresy books is around 30000 AD. I will change the article to say this.

Space Marines
Do we have to call them Adeptus Astartes in the side panel our can we revert to a more common name? --User:Ejail 02:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes we do have to —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.233.10 (talk) 18:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Empire
Hello!

I'm German and I have a question:

In Germany it is the Imperium but the Translation of "Imperium" is "Empire" Why isnt the Name of the Imperium "Empire" ???

It's a slight variation in meaning in, Imperium loosly implies domain of race/group/state law Empire in english carries colonial overtones. The differance is slight but there. If memory serves in german it would go: Imperium=Empire Empire=Reich  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.57.134 (talk) 19:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Regards 212.144.254.3 (talk) 13:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

doesn't imperium mean power so the literial translation would be the power of man - chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.62.18 (talk) 18:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

For all essential purposes, Imperium and Empire mean the same thing in this setting. But Imperium is the original latin, which makes it sound more in line with the psuedo-latin terms in Warhammer for their fictional gothic language. It's purely an aesthetic choice on Games Workshop I'm sure. Ironically, they don't call the Emperor an Imperator which would be consistant, but I guess they didn't want to go overboard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.152.42 (talk) 07:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

History
Why is there no history or link to a history page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.91.150.199 (talk) 21:28, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Merging
WHY THE **** DID THEY DO THAT! This was one of the most detailed sites on the Adeptus Mechanicus and it's all gone down the drain! They're doing it everywhere! WHY?!?!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.198.196 (talk) 09:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The last round of mergers was, frankly, rather misguided. Lots of good info and ease of use is lost by creating one abomination of a behemoth entry. I'd like to move to reverse this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.195.185.82 (talk) 14:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be a Encyclopaedia, not a dictionary. It is not tied down with the limited space constraints of a book, so why do people constantly feel the need to cut down huge amounts of relevant, correct and interesting material! Or am I missing the point, and Wikipedia should be collection of short summaries about even specific topics 152.78.174.23 (talk) 00:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I Totally agree. I tried to show a friend the "most badass wiki page ever created," and it was gone. Is it saved in memory somewhere or is it gone for good? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.96.33 (talk) 15:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I concur, I heard it was simply a couple of wiki users raging about the amount of pages and therefore pushed heavily (and imo pointlessly) for several massive deletions and mergers.81.97.96.13 (talk) 01:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Whoa,it's been around half a year since I last checked this page and now it looks like $hit! I hate you mergers. The magic of wikipedia articles is to provide you with more info and satisfaction, not tasting like you just had some quick, dirty and unpleasant sex--81.37.166.157 (talk) 21:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Name
The article should be titled Imperium of Man or The Imperium of Man as that is their correct name, not simply Imperium.81.97.96.13 (talk) 01:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Or possibly the Imperium of Mankind. Lemming42 (talk) 18:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Emperor
I searched for the Emperor and was redirected here. WTF? No emperor page? Why was it deleted? It's quite a notable character in the universe and there are tons of info about his biography and events, plus he is a central character in the game. By this logic, why no emperor but for example there are individual pages for minor videogame characters? Like the supporting characters in Half Life 2. I am starting to think that all this deletionist wave in WH40K articles was driven merely by bullshit and huge ego.83.44.125.188 (talk) 22:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Where did whoever wrote this article get the name they attributed to the emperor? Horace? Even the long latinesque name they give at the beginning of the Emperor para directly contradicts the long held GW stance that the Emperor's name was unknown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.143.175.198 (talk) 20:31, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

horus is he name of one of the primarchs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.86.87.40 (talk) 00:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Aliens they are fighting against
There is no description in the article of the aliens the Imperium is fighting against. How many alien races are in the Galaxy? What are the names of the planets they live on? What do these aliens look like? What kinds of ecosystems do the planets inhabited by the aliens have? What kinds of weapons do they have that they use to fight against the Imperium? What is the combined population of the aliens in comparison with the human population? None of these topics are covered in the article and they all need to be. Keraunos (talk) 00:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see. There are links to the articles about the aliens at the bottom of the article. Thank you. Keraunos (talk) 00:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

SVG format of the eagle?
It would be really nice to get the eagle in SVG/high-res PNG format. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.252.78.82 (talk) 07:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Terra
Hi, sorry to be a latin geek but when the author writes that Terra is the name of Earth in the 40th century it should be noted that Terra means Earth in Latin. --Dominic Russell (talk) 19:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)