Talk:Importance of religion by country

why is x not on this list?
Why Vatican city is not in the list?

Why is PRC not on this page? I understand that foreign corps. are not allowed to do demographic studies in some countries, but China specifically has really good demographics of their own.

Ager-wick (talk) 20:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC):

Vatican city I think is pretty obvious :)

But in the first paragraph, it says "China, although with less than a fifth of its total population (~18-19%), ranks second, with an estimated 240-250 million believers," - where does this data come from? It's not in the list.

Intro
The intro mentions "believers" and "religious people".

I'd just like to point out that "Is religion important in your daily life?" does not equate to "Do you believe in gods".

For example, if one worked at a religious school, it would be important in one's daily life, without having to subscribe to the idea of gods oneself. So perhaps this can be worded in a better way?

83.161.147.101 (talk) 13:09, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed, you don't have to be religious yourself for religion to have an impact on your daily life. If you're gay for instance, depending on where you live, other people's religion can play a large role in your daily life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.198.124.11 (talk) 16:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

The world total?
Can someone sum up all the data and report this:

The world total: - yes. Religion is important: ...% - no. Religion is not important: ...% — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wisnuops (talk • contribs) 17:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Demographics
''"In terms of demographics, India ranks as the country with the largest number of highly religious people in the world, with an estimated 960 million to 1 billion believers. China, although with less than a fifth of its total population (~18-19%), ranks second, with an estimated 240-260 million believers, followed by Indonesia (~235 million), the United States (~205 million), Pakistan (~175 million), Brazil (~168 million), Nigeria (~163 million) and Bangladesh (~161 million)".

What is the source for this data? Looking at the maps, China hasn't even been included in the surveys... AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:18, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Italy Religious?
Italians aren't so religious, the majority of they don't believe in God, despite they're near Vatican City, even if they do not reveal. This lack of religiosity is particularly widespread in the north.

151.46.94.75 (talk) 21:31, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


 * This is not a forum. Article content is based on published sources, and unless you have a source for that it is of no relevance to the article. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:56, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Confusion of two polls from different Gallups
The table presented here is taken from Gallup Poll results that are no longer publicly available at no charge to the resolution shown here, 0.5%, but are available as whole-number percentages on Gallup's page Religiosity Highest in World's Poorest Nations (Steve Crabtree). The polling question is "Is religion an important part of your daily life?" and figures are provided for yes and no. (Quite reasonably, many of them don't total 100%.)

Over time, some figures have been vandalised and some seem to have been incorrectly restored or otherwise adjusted by looking at another poll for which we do have a detailed report. This poll was conducted by WIN-Gallup International, and the report carries the disclaimer "Gallup International Association or its members are not related to Gallup Inc...." The polling question was "Irrespective of whether you attend a place of worship or not, would you say you are a religious person, not a religious persons or a convinced atheist?" and so it is not relevant to this article about the importance of religion, though it is correctly used in Irreligion by country.

I'll try to repair this article by removing references to the WIN-Gallup International poll and using the whole-number figures in Crabtree's piece. We'll seem to lose a little precision, but rendering results to the nearest 0.5% was a bit illusory, considering that - according to that page - the ranges for sampling error alone at the 95% confidence level were from +/-5.3% in Lithuania to +/-2.6% in India. NebY (talk) 23:46, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ but the available Gallup Poll page did not include a large number of countries. There were many errors, many of them looking like vandalism, in the values I could check so I've left out the countries that weren't in the available Gallup Poll page. Perhaps we should just revert to the original 2010 table., do you have reasonable confidence that you transcribed everything correctly back in 2010, and that all the changes to this table since then should be thrown away? NebY (talk) 01:51, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As far as I remember, I transcribed it all to the best of my ability. I accept however the possiblity of human errors having been made. Munci (talk) 20:41, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 2009? can we find more recent sourcing?  Dloh Cier ekim    (talk) 19:56, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

More updated source
This 2009 survey is odd. According to other sources Saudi Arabis is 100% religious. Also, there are inconsistent figures about Oman. I found a more updated survey from the same source. Can someone update the article? (2018 survey: https://www.pewforum.org/2018/06/13/why-do-levels-of-religious-observance-vary-by-age-and-country/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:19B:31A9:D1D2:174B:5C0B:E43C (talk) 06:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Another source of statistics
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2018/06/13/how-religious-commitment-varies-by-country-among-people-of-all-ages/ MalcolmBoura (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Order of ranking looks incorrect- Philippines #63
Philippines figures don't look correct for placement as #63, either by importance or unimportance. Hope this observation makes sense. 47.186.75.154 (talk) 00:44, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Data update.
It seems like the data from the "importance or religion" page is quite outdated, since it's from 2010. Does anyone with access to Gallup Analytics could please update the page to a more current values? I bet a lot has changed since that time. 2804:D41:B017:EC00:857B:1219:279E:DBF (talk) 22:33, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Verification
I see you've placed a failed-verification tag with the reason "all items marked [a] are sourced with a link to Gallup's main page". That link, https://www.gallup.com/analytics/213617/gallup-analytics.aspx, appears to be a link not to the home page but to content that is now paywalled. As described above in, this has led to problems with figures from WIN-Gallup being substituted and of course makes it harder to combat vandalism/corruption, but the information was probably correctly transcribed when it was available in 2010 and might well support the article now, if any of us had access. Of course, it's still questionable whether we should keep an article based only on 2009 data at all! I did PROD it last August but lazily didn't go to AfD; maybe I should have. NebY (talk) 18:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's weird, I get https://worldview.gallup.com/default.aspx when I copy the link from ref 2. Sjö (talk) 18:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's very weird. Whether I click the link above or the one in the article's second reference, I'm not redirected to that default.aspx page. That's with Firefox, Edge and Brave so far. NebY (talk) 18:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I discovered that it isn't weird, just bad editing by whoever put that source in. That editor added https://worldview.gallup.com/default.aspx as a reference link, which today redirects to https://www.gallup.com/analytics/213617/gallup-analytics.aspx (which I mistook for Gallup's main page). I see things like that sometimes, when people add links like bbc.com for something that was on the main page on the day when they added it. I do not have high hopes that the link can be recovered, and even if it can it is probably not useful to use for a comparison unless they asked the exact same question. I suggest that we remove items with failed verification in a couple of weeks. Sjö (talk) 18:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh! I've just checked the article source; I see it now. Sorry, I was too hasty. Sadly, that default.aspx link is in the fourth version of the article, while it was still being put together. Still, there is another link in that early version to a 2009 Gallup page with the same question but polled 2007-2008, which fits that "Data from an older 2008 survey" note [a] and lists 32 countries. Sadly again, according to my quick reconciliation, only 7 of them are ones that we now tabulate with [a]failed verification, leaving 28 still unverifiable. Of those 7, only Botswana and Slovakia have the same values; the other 5 differ. For Austria, it has 55% v article's 17%; Czech Republic/Czechia 21% v 16%; Iran 83% v 78%; Norway 20% v 22%; Taiwan 45% v 40%. This leaves me with little confidence that if we could see the full Gallup set for 2008, the figures would match for the other 28 failed-verification countries. I'm convinced; you're right, it will be cleaner to remove the entire failed-verification set.
 * I see there are also some major differences between these "2007-2008" Gallup figures and the ones we tabulate as 2009 with virtually the same question: India 79% v 90%; Austria 55% v 17%; Montenegro 46% v 71%. Now I'm worrying again that the polling is highly unreliable and the figures are really quite misleading, and our article may be too. NebY (talk) 19:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

sorting, Myanmar missing
The holiest place of many I have seen is the Shwedagon, and Myanmar is not even in the list, which makes the validity of this list questionable 2001:9E8:6C51:5F00:7415:33E2:2771:292A (talk) 21:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)