Talk:Imus in the Morning

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Could someone please tell me why we even care what the "black community" has to say? They, meaning the black community are one of the most racist groups around... for example NAACP as far as I know The NAAWP would be White suppremist and a racist organization whats the difference? Jet Magazine cleary a racially segregating magazine Miss Black America Miss White America I don't think so. BET- Black Entertainment Television WET white entertainment television I don't think so. The Essence Awards-Racially segregating. Imus didn't make up the word Knappy the black community did just like the word ashy to describe dry black skin..

I could go on and on

4/11/07 Can someone change the obviously wrong dates in the following sentence to the correct ones?...Is it supposed to read March, not April - I don't know who posted this: "The show has been broadcast every morning for 25 years (11 years on television), except for a two-week period from April 16, 2007 to April 20, 2007, and again from April 23, 2007 to April 27, 2007 wherein Imus was suspended for making racist and sexist remarks about the Rutgers University women's basketball team the preceding week."

affiliates?
are you listening on WFAN? i'm pretty sure that here in the tri-state the FAN broadcast always ends with one of the characters' voices (bill clinton, jack nicholson, etc) saying "copyright 2006, CBS radio. imus in the morning is a presentation of WFAN and westwood one entertainment."

i'm thinking that it was your particular affiliate that would have this ending.

I listen to wfan.com streaming audio, and I haven't heard that. 24.13.86.24 03:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Questionable fact changes
On 20 April, 216.220.241.25 made multiple fact changes, all of which seemed to heighten Imus' stature. Are there any verifications of these changes? Perhaps they should be reverted entirely; I'm not knowledgeable enough to decide. CalebNoble 08:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The sources provided in the article contradict the above edits. Therefore, I have reverted them. Accurizer 16:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Characters
Can we have a list of all recurring characters? My favorite is Blind Mississippi White Boy Pig Face Dapris [not sure on spelling]. It's understandable most Knappy headed folk know it's spelled "shonuf" not "sure"24.13.86.24 03:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Controversies
This is covered in greater detail in the main article, Don Imus, so I've added a "see also" notation. Not sure if there's a better way to handle this, as there already seems to be a lot of overlap between the two articles. Maybe someone has a better idea?  JGHowes talk  -  15:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Change "is" to "was" in the first paragraph
Since Imus is no longer on MSNBC. It should be changed from "is" to "was" in the first paragraph.--168.13.191.66 15:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Headings
"Importance of show", "End of an era", are these really neutral headings? They seem to have been written by someone who favored the show. - Throw 21:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection
i think this should get semi-protection for at least the next 24 hours because of the level of vandalism and linkspam seen recently that will only increase as the news spreads. if you agree, you can add it to the list at Requests for page protection Riphamilton 22:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

How many years?
First paragraph says 25 years, fourth paragraph says it started in 1979, for 27 1/2 years. Simon12 03:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Move to satellite radio?
Citations needed for the lenght of the contract (the articles listed jsut say 5 years, but don't say when it was signed. Additionally his contract has not been terminated. His show has been canceled. DocGratis 17:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

cancellation section
The section of this article about the cancellation is too POV. According to this piece, Imus made a little mistake, apologized for it, and it was Sharpton and Jackson who got him fired. Almost nothing about any public or press calls for his resignation or removal. And the way the chronology is presented, it appears (although doesn't quite say) that he met with the team and even they accepted his apology but then he was fired because of loss of sponsorship. Which is not what happened. Finally, according to this article, all of the reaction to the cancellation was in favor of Imus. That's not what I've been hearing. Some, yes, but hardly all. I'm putting a POV tag on the section  - this needs work. Tvoz | talk 03:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly agree with Tvoz, Much work is need with citations for opinion and general POV issues. I adjusted the apology section, in an attempt for more citation, better NPOV, and more accurate timeline. After this event cools off the sections from this and the Don Imus article will be unified. And this section is going to be dismantled without serious work. DocGratis 04:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * i don't think threats to "dismantle" are going to be well received. The section is now re-written with (hopefully) a more balanced tone. Virtually every statement is sourced.  JGHowes talk  -  04:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I've done some more work to better elaborate on the outrage sparked by Imus's slur, by adding more cited sources. Please look it over to see if you agree the POV tag could come off  JGHowes talk  -  12:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I was asked to take another look because I put the tag on. I think you've improved it, but I don't think it's neutral yet. Let me be blunt: the impression left by the section is that only black leaders and black broadcasters were pushing for, and then agreed with, the cancellation of the show. You have one vague mention of "civil rights and womens' groups such as NOW" - were there really no white men who spoke out in favor of the decision to cancel the show? No other politicians, writers, newspeople other than Al Roker and Al Sharpton etc? That's what I would hope to see in a neutral presentation. Off the top of my head, I know that Tom Brokaw, Hillary Clinton, Jon Corzine, and Charles Schumer issued statements supporting the suspension/cancellation, and/or condemned Imus' language. That's without researching it. I'm not working on this set of articles right now,so I don't plan to research it. But I can't in good conscience remove the tag. To me, reading this after taking some time away from it,it is better, but a very clear pro-Imus POV still comes through. Tvoz | talk 17:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Still no indication that any white people were in favor of Imus' show's cancellation. Therefore still not neutral enough. Tvoz | talk 06:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe this section has NPOV. Imus' firing didn't as much to do with Sharpton and Jackson as some believe.  No one really listens to what Jackson says on things like this because he's an anti-semite.  Imus was extremely racist off the air.  While he was at NBC in the 80's and CBS Radio/Infinity in the 90's and 2000's he had an incredibly large number of complaints from employees there.  He was known to drop the n-bomb a good bit around the office and was often very hostile towards some of their black employees.  If you read some of the news article there are quotes in which it says that much of his firing has to do with internal employee complaints.  You are correct that he advertisers dropped after this, but the guy didn't have good ratings to begin with.  The generation he is popular with is dying (literally) and he doesn't have the same fanbase he used to.  He didn't actually have the ratings that everyone thinks he does.  He definitly brought in far more in commercial sponsers than he should have with the ratings he got.  The guy was still on AM radio, if you need more evidence.  His appology wasn't sincere.  Anyone who listened to it could tell that it was obviously scripted.  And he used the words "you people" in it, which many blacks find offensive.  He should have never gone on Sharpton, because Sharpton had no intension of forgiving him.  He should have exited left stage, because even though "nappy-headed hoes" isn't a racial catastrophy, it was the straw that broke the camel's back.  Again, I think that the cancelation section is good as it is now. Chris01720 04:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Relevance of Bo's opinions?
Seeing as Bo Dietl is a singular person of minor fame, is his opinion about the situation of any real value to the article? .72.76.248.151 23:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, since his interview was televised nationally and reported in the Los Angeles Times. He is notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia (see Richard Dietl) and, according to the LA Times article, he is speaking for the "many" Imus fans. Because this is a controversial issue, both sides need to be presented for NPOV, regardless of whether we personally agree with him or not  JGHowes talk  -  05:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * According to Dietl's Wikipedia page, the most famous thing he's don has been being a guest on Imus' show. Yeah, I think his opinion's ignorant, mildly retarded, and more than slightly racist, I admit; but I don't think that's affecting my judgment on this.  I mean, it's certainly showing my sensitivities, because I really do think that argument skirts the issue with Imus.


 * But I do feel, at the very least, that the wording of the entry makes it seem like Dietl's more the focus than the opinion, and I think that's wrong. Actually, any hesitation I have with changing it is because I know it's a real widely-held opinion.  I think the wording should at least be changed to reflect the popularity of the opinion, rather than demonstrate the strength or popularity of the opinion as demonstrated by such a major personality as Mr. Dietl.


 * .216.175.188.98 16:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Opinion? He was just trying to sound hip, and fell flat on his face! Who hasn't done that? Hip words become racist at a rapid pace sometimes.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 01:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

bush supporter? source?
is there a source for the claims made here?

''In 2000, Imus was a George W. Bush supporter; however, after the Iraq War, Imus became more critical of Bush and supported John Kerry in 2004. (He later said he regretted the decision.)''

i think these are distinct statements and if they are factual, it should be possible to provide a source for them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.167.240.157 (talk) 03:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC).


 * Good point. I don't know what the source might be - perhaps the editor who added that can cite it? Imus did frequently say so on his show, but that would be WP:OR. I guess you could tag it or be WP:BOLD and delete it  JGHowes  talk  -  14:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * alright, will do. frankly it's an akward inclusion in that section to begin with.67.167.240.157 15:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * just to get it off my desktop, the unsourced information made it into the article innocenty enough. it was originally included in a large expansion last feb.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imus_in_the_Morning&diff=next&oldid=39164273
 * this included a more complete reconing of imus' political disposition, mentioning his support for the clinton administration. because it mentioned his bad showing at the radio and television dinner within the paragraph, it was moved to the new "controversies" section. then someone noticed the language mentioning that incident in that part of the paragraph was a little informal and unmathematic and cleaned it up.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imus_in_the_Morning&diff=next&oldid=119109074
 * this unfortunately made the text appear biassed in light of the recent controversy. i think the edit i made clears it up because his political disposition either way is trivia unrelated to the material covered in the article.67.167.240.157 04:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Imus was not fired from CBS/MSNBC
As a matter of point, Don Imus was technicially not fired, He had his show on CBS and MSNBC cancelled, I've worked in both radio and television for many years and what actually happens is that Mr. Imus remains under contract with both companies until it's expiration which means he will not be able to work in radio until then, The same thing happened with Opie and Anthony when they were taken off-the-air at WNEW-FM they were unable to work in radio in New York or any other market for that matter until their contract expired. Now the news on the television the other day did say that Mr. Imus was going back to CBS this week to negotiate his contract out which means that CBS and MSNBC could let him out of his contract (For a price) after which he could work again on Sirius (seriously doubt it) or XM Satellite Radio. So it is my opinion that the word Fired be replaced with his shows being cancelled but he still remains under contract with CBS and MSNBC, I would like to also point out that Mr. Imus is currently involved in a $40 million dollar lawsuit over his contract, now if he had been fired he would have had no recourse in the matter. Therefore I suggest that any reference to Mr. Imus being fired from this latest incident be changed since again he was not technically fired, he still works for both CBS and MSNBC but just doesn't have a radio/tv show to work on. 68.160.106.24 05:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well CBS is essentially claiming he is fired, and does not have to pay him, which is why Imus is suing, since he says the firing is in violation of his contract. Simon12 10:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Firing someone means you are getting rid of them for cause. CBS is claiming that Imus broke a morality clause and therefor they don't have to pay him through the end of his contract.  Imus didn't actually break a morality clause or an FCC rule.  He was supposed to get written notice of anything objectionable that he says rather than just be kicked off.  And then if he did it again they could fire him.  They have breached the contract and removed him without pay, which is essentially firing him.  MSNBC is different because it wasn't produced in their studios.  Imus works out of CBS Radio (formally Infinity Broadcasting under Viacom, Inc.) studios.  To use Opie and Anthony as an example, they are employed by XM and could be fired by XM (they are currently suspended), however they also broadcast part of their show on terrestrial radio.  They are not employed by terrestrial radio, and thus, if terrestrial radio dropped them, it wouldn't be firing them. Chris01720 04:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Charles McCord
Does anyone know what Charles McCord does now at WFAN? since leaving the Imus in the Morning Show or is he also sitting out his contract? I would assume that it is not the latter because the day after the Imus in the Morning Show was cancelled he was on-the-air at WFAN with Mrs. Imus doing the Telethon. 68.160.106.24 05:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * McCord has done the news on all the fill-in shows on WFAN since Imus left. Simon12 11:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Another Comment
I agree with the first comment. In America, the black community brought this upon themselves. *In my opinion*, the black community has not gotten over the sense that the other races are holding prejudices against them. Example:

White: You know, I think that you should work a little harder with us on the next project. Black: Why? 'Cause I'm black?

While all races do the example above, it can be noted that the blacks do so more than the other races. This is just my opinion, it may not necessarily be true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.90.63.89 (talk) 00:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Let the above comment stand as a prime example of the bigotry, closed-mindedness, and senseless xenophobia that pervade in America today. As such, the above user has simply provided another example of why bigots such as himself and Don Imus need to be properly educated on racial matters in this country, both historical and present. There are fourth graders who have a more level-headed understanding of race relations than the above user. 160.39.211.133 20:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I wrote the stuff above. I do not consider myself a bigotry. I am simply stating a factual example people of all races would make. The "Cause I'm (race)" phrase is more of a humor than serious matter in most cases. In the serious cases of prejudice, the phrase could be deemed as inappropriate. But I've seen so many African Americans say it, more than other races, that I feel that it must mean a significant value to the African American culture, probably just a humor touch in conversations. Because the conversation could turn into: White: You know, I think that you should work a little harder with us on the next project. Black: Why? 'Cause I'm black? White: What?! I mean it's your lack of determination and confidence. Sorry if I offended you. Black: Just playing with you man. Alright, I will work harder on the next project. Sorry if I messed up the data system. White: That's perfectly OK. Black: Thanks. I think you should work on communication skills as well. The boss almost kicked us out. White: Why, that was funny. You're right, I should work on my communication skill.

Though this really doesn't have to do with the article, I have to comment; I agree with the person above. Sometimes black people do blame personal failures on thing like white privilege. Sometimes they are correct, but at the current time they are wrong most of the time. I know a black person who said she knows white privilege exists because her black friend applied for a job and a white person got it instead and the white person was less qualified. Neither her or her friend actually know the white person's qualifications or why that person actually got the job. It is possible that they got it because they are white, but it is unlikely. And please do not say that I am a bigot because I also belong to a minority group who I take the same object viewpoint with. I am NOT saying that all "black people" do that. I've heard black people do that, but I've never heard a white person say that. Chris01720 04:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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IITM on Sirius XM Satellite Radio
Just curious why is there no mention of Mr. Imus' show being simulcast nationally on Fox Business News on Sirius XM Satellite Radio Channel 113? Would anyone object if I added this information to the article? TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 00:50, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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