Talk:In Flames/Archive 1

Article content
A good stub was replaced with copyvio-content. The latest good version is. &#9999; Sverdrup 09:15, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * I've created a new stub for "In Flames". It doesn't have much in the way of a biography, but I've added the band's complete discography. Nyght 17:51, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * As I noted above, I think we can use the latest good version. I just don't know how to delete the copyvio edits and retain the attribution to the latest good version. &#9999; Sverdrup 10:24, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Wonderful, and in depth article, but! I think 1) the discussion about who influenced who should be left out, it doesn't matter, it's all good. And, 2) I'm not just saying this because I really like the band, but doesn't the article contain too much discussion on whether the band have sold out with this or that album. Perhaps shorten it, and instead keep, and perhaps even expand the sections on what the band actually did differently with their music on the different albums. Oh yeah, and generally I'm not too fond of labelling the different genres of metal, and it's not just because I don't quite understand the distinctions :-)Hepors 16:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In the first paragraph it is written: "During the years changed and evolved their style through many influences, especially in the last years." This sentence doesn't make sense but I don't even know the band so I can't edit it to make it look right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tomtheebomb (talk • contribs) 08:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

Biography
Did some basic reformatting.. anybody care putting up a bit more of a biography? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tobias Wolter (talk • contribs).


 * It has few uneutral content —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.226.174.61 (talk • contribs).


 * Jesper has NOT left the band - or is it required to mention he is "on break". Anders and Daniel have both done it before. Just LEAVE IT ALONE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trigger352 (talk • contribs).


 * according to the official website they're working on demoing for a new album. oh and bjorn got his hair cut. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dedman-88 (talk • contribs).

Vandalism
Some idiot with nothing better to do has vandalized this page. He/she has change the genre name of In Flames from Melodic Death Metal to Nu Romantic Pop. I've tried to clean it up as best as possible but I believe the main contributors to this article will be more qualified then I. Please please help me sort out this mess and give In Flames an article they deserve!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.36.175.120 (talk • contribs).


 * i did what i could to fix all the vandalization. someone thinks they are a metal god and can totally discredit this band.  get off your high horse and show some respect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Goldplatypus (talk • contribs).


 * someone has vandalized this page again?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iambob (talk • contribs).


 * Please disallow editing this page for a while, as there has been constant vandalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.3.149.9 (talk • contribs).


 * He's done it again. I think this article should be saved and merged with "idiotic behaviour." The hilarious thing is, this guy, seems to think he knows about metal, when he believes that In Flames don't deserve to share a stage with Slipknot. Other way round dude, and that can be argued without resorting to puerile homosexual slurs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.152.205.35 (talk • contribs).

Ok who ever said this above is right, editing should be disallowed and the article should be restored to the original... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kalva (talk • contribs).


 * Yes, once again the same vandalist has taken time out of his or her busy schedule to attack this page. Obviously someone has a great dislike for the band In Flames. I've just changed everything back. This user 86.15.4.242 should be blocked or something. I don't know how to do it, so if someone knows how to do it, please permanently block them. All they keep doing is attacking the In Flames page. In Flames is Melodic Death metal. So stop calling them nu-romantic pop, which isn't even a genre. Changing all the albums' names is petty and a waste of time. Why the hell are you bothering to vandalise anyway? There's a lot of people who will just change it back. I'm guessing you have a lot of time on your hand Once again it's 86.15.4.242 In Flames 19:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll do it-- Ch ild zy ( Talk 20:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm seeing a bunch of missing album covers in the discography. What's happened? Gwrtheyrn 02:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Fix the Vandalization, then Lock it. I'm tired of coming to this page to find that all of the albums cannot be selected because some childish impotent no-name with an intellectual age of 3 had to go and pass around his bullshit worthless slanderous edit. t(o.ot) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.13.58.211 (talk • contribs).

This article should be locked so that only people registered to wikipedia can edit it --Dexter prog 17:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * more vandalism at this page i guess. the only thing it says is "SUCKY BAND". please please, PLEASE, someone make this stop. 151.198.144.171 15:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Genre
What the hell is this Nu Romantic pop rubbish, how the heck can anyone even think that, In Flames are obviously metal (Melodic Death Metal to be precise) and if you disagree with that then you are obviously and idiot... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kalva (talk • contribs).


 * No, actually, In Flames is not Melodic Death Metal, but they are actually progressive metal. I don't know why so many people think of them as death metal, my guess is that they want to seem hardcore and say they listen to death metal, when infact they are listening to progressive metal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.206.186.178 (talk • contribs).


 * Where did that come from!? In Flames are definately a Melodic Death Metal band, and perhaps one of the best examples of it. They are not progressive metal. In Flames 12:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the term Gothenburg Metal should be removed from the infobox, according to me it's not a genre, it's just medias way of labelizing melodic death metal that hails from sweden, but if somebody gives me good reasons as to leave it I will accept that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Reborn stillborn (talk • contribs).


 * Wow...In Flames are not progressive metal nor are they death metal, they are melodic death metal (which is not death metal at all, just the same vocals) influenced by alternative metal and gothencore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PearlTheater (talk • contribs).

Why does the current genre listing say "metalcore" and then "swedecore", if "swedecore" is just a deriative form of metalcore? And where is "alternative metal"? This is my opinion: In Flames is a melodic death metal band influenced by alternative metal and swedecore. Therefore, I would list "melodic death metal", "alternative metal", and "swedecore" as the genres. I'm going to make the edit because although it says "do not change the genre listing without a consensus", there DOES appear to be a consensus that "Soundtrack to your Escape" is alternative metal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PearlTheater (talk • contribs).


 * I don't think In Flames (including their new stuff) is "Metalcore" at all. Let alone influenced by "Swedecore" (Metalcore), when they've been around a lot longer than that terms been around. I think Swedecore should be taken off, as that is what these Metalcore bands consider themselves who are influenced by Melodic Swedish Death Metal, not In Flames themselves. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JanderVK (talk • contribs).


 * The New Sound isn't anything like Melodic Death Metal. I think Modern Rock(Reroute to remain) Or Thrash Metal (Most of the songs on come clarity) should be added too.Darryl87 15:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Modern Rock doesn't exist, it's a very superficial genre added by MetalArchives. The thrash you are saying is metalcore (or Swedecore as some people call it, but I disagree with this word for many reasons). Latest albums were labelled as prog metal by somebody, but there is a lot of confusion with Alternative Metal. Imho we should put in MDM (earliest album), alt metal (latest album) and if we agree, Scandinavian metal and/or heavy metal.Connacht 13:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Something should be mentioned about their current heavily metalcore/nu-metal influenced sound which is mostly characterized in the electronic effects, the chugging guitar riffs, and the vocals. It's a huge change from their earlier melodeath stuff and the article needs to more than merely hint at this change, as a newbie to the scene might be fooled in to thinking that their newer stuff is melodeath or even somewhat close to melodeath, which it ain't. Which is not to say that they've gone nu-metal/metalcore. They ain't nu-metal cause there's no bass lead and they ain't metalcore cause even though they have chugga chugga guitars there are no breakdowns and the band has no hardcore punk background (although metalcore is what they come closest to these days). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.191.85.198 (talk) 17:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC).

Well, I just bought Soundtrack to Your Escape and after listening to it about 3 times in 36 hours I can't pinpoint the genre. Here are the clear influences I see in the music:Metalcore Nu-Metal Melodeath (the vocals have transcended way beyond their past work but the guitar work is still verging on melodeath stuff.) Alternative Metal Even a slight smidgen of black metal in the vocals As for pinpointing just which genre they belong to at the moment, I can't. They seem to have combined their gothenburg influences with their own sans-breakdown version of metalcore but since labeling their current music as metalcore will only create dissent amongst hardcore kids who will scream for us to show them where In Flames punk background lies... I think it best to label their new stuff as alternative metal and mention something about their current metalcore influence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.191.85.198 (talk • contribs).


 * I don't know why so many people think In Flames are nu metal, have any of you ever heard Anders Friden rap through a song or bust a flow, no I bet you haven't because he doesn't do it therefore you cannot even consider calling In Flames nu metal. In Flames is not metalcore either, although their new stuff doesn't sound like their old it still maintains a certain technicality that most metalcore bands don't have and they still have "leads", which are virtually nonexistent in metalcore. In Flames is just a melodic death metal band with some alternative metal influences and the article mentions that. --Leon Sword 22:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Melodic death metal?, when i think in melodeath i think in late work of carcass, demigod...groups like that, but in flames sounds more like a fussion of korn and some emo group whit a little influence of metal... why we dont change the style of "melodic death metal" to Nu metal or melodic metalcore?... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.83.58.54 (talk • contribs).


 * In Flames helped to invent the melodic death metal genre. I think most people arguing here have not heard their earlier albums—especially Lunar Strain, Subterranean, and The Jester Race. Their style certainly has changed since then, but the melodic death metal thing is pretty much indisputable. = ∫ tc 5th Eye 17:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Old singer
didnt in flames have an old singer? He was on all their past tours and was in the cloud connected and only for the weak videos. where did he go and what is his name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.87.143.239 (talk • contribs).


 * On their first album the singer was the guy from Dark Tranquility —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.106.162.98 (talk • contribs).


 * Mikael Stanne wasn't ever part of the band but he was a session vocalist for In Flames. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.196.173.51 (talk • contribs).


 * hey the vocalist in only for the weak video is anders himself without the beard and dreadlocks. bruce59.95.21.167 09:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Videos
I just wanted to say I added some videos and only the one's that i could remember. If someone knows of others or I have got dates wrong please correct themEagle5 17:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I linked all the videos and cleaned up the videos/singles part ^_^ also, I Added the Bounus DVD's on Come Clarity and STYE. Also, I added the System Video and Single —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kreepman (talk • contribs).


 * There's one video missing, "Take This Life". There's also 2 more bonus tracks at the end of "Clayman" 12. World of Promises [Bonus Track], 13. Strong & Smart [Bonus Track] I'm suprised nobody else has noticed O_oMattz1010 01:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The Video of Take This Life is there... - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kreepman (talk • contribs).

Roots and influences
I noticed a new section up, I think it has incorrect info, I'm pretty sure In Flames influenced Killswitch Engage not the other way around.--Leon Sword 02:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm tempted to just remove that section. Personally, I don't see what value such a list holds, even if it were correctly cited, which as far as I can see it isn't.  Though, it might be better if there were a paragraph about a few key influences instead of just a list, if anyone's up for doing that. - Blah3 10:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You probably should go with the second option, the last.fm wiki has said that In Flames was one of THE first Death metal bands, as such, there wouldn't be many influences really to note. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mattz1010 (talk • contribs).


 * I don't think them inventing the Gothenburg version of Melodic death should be hinted at, as Dissection developed a style very similar to them years earlier. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.57.206.54 (talk • contribs).


 * ^^^^Not true, melodic death metal and The Gothenburg sound were a simultaneous movement in the early nineties pioneered mainly by In Flames, Dark Tranquillity, and At The Gates. Also, In Flames is often the best example of the Gothenburg sound and are the most commonly referenced to it --Leon Sword 02:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Chart positions
This article already has all of the band's chart positions in the U.S. But what about chart positions in their home country, Sweden? Personally I found it intersting that "Come Clarity" debuted at #1. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.238.170.154 (talk) 22:01, 3 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Whoever is adding all those chart positions better start providing a source for them cause that unsourced tag at the top of the article makes the article look bad.--Leon Sword 02:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Former members
Should Mikael Stanne be listed as a member? He only did session vocals on their first album —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.196.173.51 (talk • contribs).

Associated acts
Perhaps Passenger should be mentioned in the associated acts? After all, Anders is the lead vocalist in this side project. --nitro glycerine


 * No. The reason why is because if you begin to add all the bands that are in some way associated with In Flames, that list will grow incredibly long. For example all the following bands are in some way associated with In Flames: HammerFall, Sinergy, All Ends, Arch Enemy, Ceremonial Oath, At the Gates, Dimension Zero, Dark Tranquillity, Soilwork, and definately a couple more. I think all that information is more appropiate in a See also section, I'll do that.--Leon Sword 03:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is quite true, and I agree with your decision. However, I just thought that Passenger & Dimension Zero would be worth mentioning more over all others, seeing as they are actual side projects of the current band members. Anyways, I'll leave it to you! --nitro_glycerine April 23, 2007

Discography
Anyone else think that all of In Flames' discography should move to a seperate page? After all, there are 12 releases, and the page looks cluttered. Dmiles21 01:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I am currently in the process of doing a complete rewrite of the In Flames article and included will be a revamped discography. If you see that the finished product still remains too cluttered, by all means start a seperate discography page, but please wait for the complete rewrite to make the decision. I will be done with the rewrite within 5 days or sooner (it's currently delayed), searching for good sources is what's slowing me down. --Leon Sword 01:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)