Talk:In Praise of Polytheism

GOCE copyedit request

 * "In Praise of Polytheism" has provoked discussion and controversy in Germany. Among its critics have been the scholars Jacob Taubes and Richard Faber [...] Is Faber still alive? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but Taubes is not.
 * ✅. Leaving as is. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * He believed the solution to the modern issues of meaning was to rediscover systems from the ancient world. Slightly edited. What are "issues of meaning"? What systems are being rediscovered? Maybe wikilinks will be useful? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rewrote; tell me if it's any better. "He believed a lack of meaning in the modern world had resulted in cultural decay, and that the solution was to rediscover systems of meaning from the ancient world, notably polytheism."
 * . Looks good to me. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Myths are stories, and are not primitive precursors to knowledge; knowledge is about finding truths, and storytelling is how humans engage with known truths in their lifeworld. New knowledge will therefore only lead to new myths. Currently consulting with the help desk to determine Wikipedia's stance on views that aren't attributed but are obvious as to where they're from. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Added attribution.
 * . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Conversely, polymythical thinking is a separation of powers, where different stories keep each other in check and the manifoldness of the individual can exist. Is there a better word than "manifoldness" that we can use? Would "diverse" work? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Manifoldness" is part of how Marquard defines an individual; he's talking about a manifoldness that defines each individual rather than a diversity of different individuals. But it can probably just be removed, it's not important for the rest of the essay. Here is the original sentence if it helps (Marquard 1989, p. 94): "By that very means (divide et impera [divide and rule] or divide et fuge [divide and drive away], at any rate: liberate yourself by separating—that is, by making sure that, as they act on you, the powers that stories are keep each other reciprocally in check, and thus limit this action) humankind acquires the opportunity for freedom that goes with having a manifoldness that is in each case one's own—that is, with being an individual."
 * ✅. Enclosed "manifoldness" in quotes to make it clearer it's Marquard's words. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * This countermovement will never offer a solution, because it merely submits exotic mythology to the monomyth of progress and thereby confirms its domination. Might want to be attributed but still waiting on external input. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Added attribution.
 * . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * For philosophy to break with the monomyth, it must allow dissent and tell stories again, defying charges of relativism and scepticism. Should probably be joined to the previous sentence, as it's getting too presumptuous. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Added attribution.
 * . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * According to religious studies scholar Burkhard Gladigow, the opposition it faced became so sharp because Marquard specifically proposed polytheism as a political solution. Somewhat edited. What does "sharp" mean in this context? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Changed to "intense"; is that better?
 * . I removed "so" as an intensifier. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * [...] a group of mystics and neopagans with blood and soil tendencies in turn-of-the-century Munich. Which century is this? Twentieth? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Changed to "turn of the 20th century".
 * . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Marquard, a professor of philosophy and proponent of scepticism and pluralism, belonged to a tendency in German philosophy which viewed the issues of modernity through the concept of political theology [...] It appears you're using the second definition of "tendency"? Would "sub-organisation" still describe it appropriately? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm using the first definition, but perhaps some other word is more suitable, or "belonged" should be replaced with something else. The source is very clear in that the philosophers were not organised together or saw their work as a collaborative effort, but there was a tendency among them to share some views, language and points of reference.
 * Trying to replace "tendency" with "part [of German philosophy]". How does it look? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * There was a current of German-speaking philosophers in the 20th century who addressed concerns about meaning in the contemporary world by discussing modernity in religious terms. Would "trend" describe "current" just as well? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. It could sound a bit dismissive though, as if it was a superficial trend that (thankfully) is over now. It could also make it sound more broad and mainstream than it was.
 * Switched to using "group" for the time being, as it doesn't necessarily imply any sense of organisation. How's it look? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * This tendency was inspired by the secularisation theorem associated with Carl Schmitt and Karl Löwith [...] "Tendency" appears again, but with a different meaning. Action here depends on action taken here. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * My intention was to use the same meaning in both places.
 * Switched to "group" as above. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * (Answer to all three questions above) "Part" looks good. I'm more unsure about "group". The source kind of treats the philosophers as a group, but also stresses that they really weren't a group. Perhaps we can step around it by writing something like "Several German-speaking philosophers in the 20th century made it a convention to address concerns..." and "They were inspired by the secularisation theorem..." Ffranc (talk) 11:13, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking forward to your responses! — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your work, . As for the summary, there is an FA rated article about a philosophical essay collection, Political Animals and Animal Politics, with summaries under the heading "Contributions". They're written like I've tried to write here, although I agree that more attributions were needed. (There are also two FA rated articles on books that could be useful: Getting It: The Psychology of est and An Introduction to Animals and Political Theory). I also want to add that the word "myth" is used a lot in the essay in singular form. I saw that you changed a couple of instances from "myth" to "myths", which somewhat changes the meaning, from the concept of myth to particular myths. Ffranc (talk) 13:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Reorganised questions on resolution status. It doesn't seem there's much talk about tone in summaries, so I'll leave that for the FAC reviewer to determine. In regards to the plurality of "myth", my apologies. Feel free to change those back; maybe it'll be better to introduce the first instance of "myth" in the singular with "the concept of myth"? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Did a final copyedit. Seems like everything's in order. If there's nothing else I'll consider the request complete. Good luck on the GAN! — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! Ffranc (talk) 09:46, 24 August 2020 (UTC)