Talk:In the Aeroplane Over the Sea/Archive 1

Available formats
Is it worth mentioning the formats this album is available on? Cd / Vinyl / Download?. Might be of interest especially considering the rather odd vinyl lyric sheet, and the fact the vinyl edition is still pressed 9 years after release? --born against 08:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Making of the Album
Would there be any problem with me adding a section like "Production History" or "Making of..." that delves deeper into who was involved, and what went in to the production of the album? I've read Kim Kooper's installment in the 33⅓ book series, and I'd be glad to go through it again, taking note of any pertinent information. --Ottovonguericke 17:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Do it. --Awesomosity 14:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes please! Liam Markham 18:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Making major additions
I'm reading through the 33⅓ book right now and plan to write new sections of the article as I read (and re-read) the book. I recently did something similar with the article for The Velvet Underground and Nico and managed to elevate it to "good article" status. Hopefully, with some help, the same can be done for this. Just as a heads up, I'll be making a lot of major edits to the article in the next few days. Pele Merengue 02:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone brought up to me that I might want to consider merging the song pages with the album article, mostly for reasons of length (at the moment, nearly all of the song pages are stubs and this article is also fairly short). I'm not nearly done with this article yet, and I'm hoping others will flesh out the song pages in the future. I'm just about to really start work on both this article and the song articles, so I do hope people bare with me while they get developed. Another issue was with citations - if anyone sees any information at all that you think needs to be cited, please don't hesitate to add a  tag. I'm doing my best to cite any information that might be challenged. Pele Merengue 01:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, it's been a couple of months and I've yet to even touch the article. I intended to build upon the "Recording" section, as well as add a "Reception" section, but it doesn't look like I'll be getting to it anytime soon. Sorry for leaving the article unfinished for now, if anyone would like to add to these sections, please do. Pele Merengue 19:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

"You" and "She"
I've been reading through the lyrics a number of times and I've noticed that all the references that could be directed to Anne Frank seem to be paired with the pronoun "she", whereas the songs as a whole are directed at the ambiguous "you". If this can be verified, maybe it can be used to in reference to the overall album lyrics. Smc117tcc07 05:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about the album, but there was an article in Slate last week that stated this was "a concept album about Anne Frank", so your observation seems credible. Here's the link if anyone who knows were the info should go can integrate it into the article: http://www.slate.com/id/2185219/ | God  of  biscuits  15:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Undid revision by MyBeautifulZygote (Talk)
MyBeautifulZygote added the following sentences to the article: Since its release, the album has been considered almost universally as one of the greatest indie rock albums of all time. It has been in multiple lists as the #1 indie/alternative album of all time. It has been given these rankings for its incredibly moving lyrics that were considered a storytelling experience of sorts and it's beautiful songs that are made merely with acoustic guitars, light drums, and distortion. I removed it because:


 * It is not unbiased ("beautiful", "moving", "merely")


 * The songs are NOT made with merely guitars, drums and distortions. The album features, among others, a zanzithophone, singing saw, banjo and flugelhorn.

Maybe a rephrased version of this could be put there if it needs to be mentioned that the album is popular/considered amazing

-- J u P it E er  15:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from, here. I just felt that it deserved more recognition than it did on here. However, it would be better to put more references to lists than personal opinion. MyBeautifulZygote (talk) 19:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC) MyBeautifulZygote

Chit Chat
Sorry new to this, just noticed that it mentioned the covers Jesse Lacey (of Brand New) did of Neutral Milk Hotel, can't find a reference, but he covered "Oh Comely" as his final song at Glastonbury 2009.79.79.188.203 (talk) 10:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC) Shouldn't there be SOME mention of this being considered part of the indie canon and is widely considered one of the greatest albums ever in some circles? I'm not sure this point is emphesized enough in this article.

Well if there should be SOME mention, why dont you make one?


 * What is the "indie canon?" The fact that some folks consider it the greatest is unimportant, anything you can think of has its people who consider it "the greatest."  It's just your opinion.  POV.  Omit.  Positive reviews are an acceptable way of suggesting what you want to say, without outright saying it.  Love, 67.170.176.203 16:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a load of balls and you know it. You're absolutely right that anyone could consider anything the greatest. Wow, great deduction! But for the same reasons that Sgt. Peppers' article does, this article should list a little more of the impact it has had. It's widely regarded as a great album. Not just by a couple of internet forum fans and their mums, but by many many magazines, bands, and people.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormx2 (talk • contribs) 12:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Someone could include the numerous 10/10 reveiws it has gotten from places like Pitchfork Media. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.72.73 (talk) 03:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Capital O
This article needs to be moved to In The Aeroplane Over The Sea, and I've got no idea how to do that. Anyone want to take care of it? 172.133.28.17 (talk) 02:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Anne Frank
I see this entire album as being about Anne Frank. The musical unity is matched by the lyrical unity; is there any confirmation that this album is effectively a love letter to / lamentation over Anne Frank? 75.137.104.32 (talk) 07:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * In the 33 1/3 book, it says that much of the album is about Anne Frank, and Jeff has said this on a few occasions. If you are interesting in the subject or making of the album, I'd recommend finding yourself a copy of the book. -- J u P it E er  16:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The article Transience and Transcendence In The Aeroplane Over The Sea offers a great deal of specific analysis on the relationship between the album and Anne Frank's diary: http://www.gloriousnoise.com/features/2008/transience_and_transcendence_1.php. Maxfieldwh (talk) 14:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

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&#8213; J u P it E er  (talk) 15:56, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Album review
I cannot find a source for the 4 star Planet Sound review. I can't find a reference to it anywhere on the Internet, so I'm going to delete the review. If anyone has any objections, or can find a source for the review, we can revert it. Wolfehhgg  (talk)  02:19, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

/mu/
Is the fact that this album is the single most overused troll on 4chan's /mu/ board notable enough for the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.160.192 (talk) 22:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * And moreover, this may (or for sure) have affected and is affecting its current and future popularity way more than anyone could seriously think of. Indirectly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.202.77.185 (talk) 11:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This article is for information on the album, not the fact that 4chan's /mu/ seems to like it a little too much. Broden (talk) 12:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Inspiration
I'm confused as to what the few sentences under the Inspriation heading means exactly. It states that the group has never officially stated the album is about Frank, yet Mangum, the lead singer and guitarist, stated in an interview that Frank influenced many songs on the album. Doesn't this explicitly mean that the album is actually about Frank? Furthermore, the interview in question clearly states that many songs were influenced by Frank, and considering Mangum was the primary song writer, I do not think it's any question that the album is not about Frank. See this quote from the p4k interview in 2008 with Mangum: "The record doesn't necessarily take place in that time period so much. It's a reflection of how I see that time period". It's clearly a concept album on Frank, and Mangum states this very clearly. Broden (talk) 12:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

United States
Is it really necessary to hyperlink United States in the first sentence of the article? Not sure of precedence, kind of a noob. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobHelmut (talk • contribs) 20:32, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , nope—it isn't necessary (WP:OVERLINK) czar ♔   21:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your guidance. I have made the change. BobHelmut (talk) 23:19, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Non-Anne Frank inspiration
Everyone knows that Anne Frank is a major theme on the album. However there are a number of lyrics - the fighting parents and incestuous children in Carrot Flowers, the semen staining the mountaintops in Communist Daughter - that don't have anything to do with Frank's life. The second, equally major theme is child abuse. Mangum refers to it as a factor in his friend's life here, without explicitly saying it is a theme on the album. However I remember reading an old interview in which he does state clearly that his friend's experience of abuse is part of the album's theme. If I ever track that interview down again I will put it in the main article. -   Metalello    talk 19:02, 20 July 2014 (UTC)