Talk:In the Pines

This article is Bullshit!
Really? This is all you can say, just a soulless listing of interpretes and this about one of the souliest songs of music history? You suck, Wikipedia, once again! This is, you want donations for penetrantly? Ridiculous! Instead of talking about the content/theme and lyrics in a genius.com manner you just talk about cover versions! How hollow is this site, shame on you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DC:CF10:9500:3A6D:E6F9:B68A:2A08 (talk) 09:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Untitled
I think the Mars Commerical should be mentioned too!

Other versions:
Link Wray performed an altered version called, I believe, "Georgia Pines," in the 1970's for his Polydor records. It has been collected in the "Polydor Years" collection.

Additionally, in folk terms the song goes back to a generalized "dead girl singing" tradition, where ghosts turn out to be in dialog with the singer, and that's a basic component of the ballad. Geogre 15:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Folk artist Dave Van Ronk recorded a version of this song called "In the Pines" which can be found on his album Folkway Years (1959-1961) (my personal favorite rendition..) DavidKelly999 09:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the song has been traced in Great Britain and Ireland. It is definitely an Appalachian tune and in many versions is called "Red Bird" not "Black Girl." Lead Belly sang it as part of his repertoire but he seems to have learned it during his years in the folk revival. Mballen (talk) 15:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I am listening to a version by the Grateful Dead from the 1966-07-16 Fillmore show and is listed as In The Pines. This is the only known performance of the song but it is reported on Dead.net the expectiation is they played the song in other early shows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.170.195.75 (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

The Kossoy Sisters - Bowling Green (US 1956) 05 - In The Pines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlVyKoP_fiY&feature=share Kktalo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.239.78 (talk) 19:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

It's Lead Belly
Everybody: it's "Lead Belly", not "Leadbelly". See the discusion. -- Face 10:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Billy Childish also covered the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.46.63 (talk) 07:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah
hes pretty Fn cool hes pretty much more thug than 5o cent

Nirvana???
Does anyone else find it a little strange that they talk about this songs rich history as a folk song and all the talanted musicians who have recorded it or played it, but Nirvana is the band that has the information at the bottom? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.94.2.162 (talk) 21:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
 * No.BennyFromCrossroads 21:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that Nirvana's discography is completely irrelevant to this article. 24.34.99.152 (talk) 01:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)Jonathan

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In The Pines
I would prefer to see this article titled "In the Pines", with "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" redirected to it. "In the Pines" was the title most familiar to the folk, country, roots & bluegrass musicians who popularised the song, & most recorded versions also have this title. "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" is the title only of Lead Belly's rendition of the song, & the title used by others like Nirvana who have specifically covered Lead Belly's version (often wrongly believing that he authored it). I think that calling this article "Where Did You Sleep" rather than "In the Pines" is just perpetuating the myth that this is Lead Belly's song more than anybody's else's. Any thoughts? Weasel Fetlocks (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Since nobody has objected or responded, I have gone ahead with the move. In the interests of diplomacy, & acknowledging both commonly known titles, I have called the article "In The Pines (Where Did You Sleep Last Night?)".  Please do not move the article back to old location without first discussing your reasons for wanting to do so.  Thanks.  Weasel Fetlocks (talk) 20:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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Cecil J. Sharp
I've taken a look in Cecil J. Sharp's 1917 book English Folk Songs From The Southern Appalachians and I definitely can't find this song there. I wonder if the article is right in claiming that the song was first published by Sharp. - Gus (T, C) 2010-03-31 18:55Z


 * Obviously, if it was transcribed in August 1917, it could have been too late to have made it into the 1917 publication. It might be in the very expanded edition edited by Maud Karpeles in 1932. I can't find this book, however. (I think there is another edition from 1937, but I may be mistaken.) The song seems to bear some resemblance to a lullaby from the Isle of Man, "Red Bird", which in turn may have been translated into Manx from either Scots Gaelic or English. If Scots it would be one of many such that ended up in Appalachia. However, the American ballad has a uniquely haunting and tragic character not apparent in the Old World antecedent, however lovely.
 * http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/mb1896/p042.htm "Red Bird" (Manx lullaby) 1896
 * https://www.vwml.org/record/CJS2/10/3882 "Black Girl black girl don't lie to me" transcribed from the singing of Lizzie Abner, 18 August, 1917.

Mballen (talk) 07:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Judith McCulloh's Thesis
I found the claim of 160 variants interesting, and tried to follow it up. This figure of 160 is one of those Chinese Whispers that seem to be replicated all over the internet without being properly checked (or even adequately sourced) by authors.

One of the better references, http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=38433 cites Paul Oliver's 'Songsters & Saints' as including the following:
 * "Oliver goes on to refer to Judith McCulloh's unpublished Ph.D thesis for Indiana University (1970), titled 'In the Pines: The Melodic-Textual Identity of an American Lyric Folk-Song Cluster', which was based on the study of 160 variants of the song on record and in print. McCulloh believes the mine references were to mines in Dade County, Georgia, owned by Governor Joseph Emerson Brown in the 1870s. She suggests the railroad accident with the gruesome headless body image probably originated in the Reconstruction period. "

Footnote 7 on p 270 of Paul Oliver's "Songsters and Saints" does indeed refer to Mculloh's work as an unpublished Ph.D thses from Indiana University in 1970.

Indiana University Doctoral Dissertations in Musicology Online gives:
 * McCulloh, Judith Marie, In the Pines: The Melodic-Textual Identity of an American Lyric Folksong Cluster. Ph.D., Folklore, Indiana University, 1970. xi, 651 p. mus. exs., discog., bibliog.DDM Code: 02foMccK; DA no.: 31/11:5964; RILM no.: 71:4225dd; UM no.: 71-13553

However, the thesis may have been published subsequently by Indiana University see google books link

I have added the reference to the source; however, as yet, I have seen no original text which actually verifies the figure of 160.

--TonyFleet (talk) 08:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

"In Films" Redundancy
Hey, I'm not a regular editor, I don't even have a wikipedia account to sign into, so I figured I'd point out the matter here, and let you guys decide what you want to do. In the "In Films" section, the second bullet point reads: "A few lines of the song are sung by Sissy Spacek, playing Loretta Lynn, in the 1980 film, Coal Miner's Daughter." The seventh, and final, bullet point reads: "This song is also sang by Sissy Spacek in her portrayal of Loretta Lynn in the 1980 movie Coal Miner's Daughter." Aren't both of these referring to the same thing, and shouldn't one of them be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.217.144 (talk) 20:46, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 24 May 2015

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Number   5  7  19:03, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

In the Pines → Where Did You Sleep Last Night – Per WP:COMMONNAME both used by Lead Belly and Nirvana and per the intro of the article itself. --Relisted. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC)  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:47, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am not quite at an outright oppose, but I note that Lead Belly recordings have been issued under both titles. A Bill Munroe version is In the Pines, as are the Baez and Dylan versions. I wonder whether an alternative isn't "Black Girl, Where Did You Sleep Last Night?" (a "hit single title back in the 60s). FWIW, I knew of this song as In the Pines as transcribed from Lomax field recordings. My personal choice is to leave where it is because it is here and it is a more distinctive title. I would be swayed by more scholarly research. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:47, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


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Port Protection, Alaska (tv series) theme song (who is singer?)
Does anyone know who sings it as a theme song for the tv series Port Protection? (Technically Life Below Zero: Port Protection) UnderEducatedGeezer (talk) 08:18, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Ramsey's version
Worth adding to the article https://spotify.link/wFphNM3WdKb 208.93.255.186 (talk) 03:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)