Talk:Inayati Order

Recommend Re-Write
This article seems to me misleading because it presents "Universal Sufism" as an order or movement established by Inayat Khan. In fact Inayat Khan never used the term "Universal Sufism" -- that was a term posthumously attributed to him by his later followers. The name of the movement Hazrat Inayat Khan founded was called the 'Sufi Movement'. Furthermore, the article goes on to describe a few Sufi orders that descended from Hazrat Inayat Khan: the Sufi Order International, Sufi Movement, Sufi Ruhaniat, etc., and describes their structures and practices as constituting Universal Sufism. This is misleading because there may be other Sufi Orders with different structure and practices, for example the Naqshbandi Mujaddadiya, Mevlevi Order of America, etc. who welcome participants of any religious background and espouse the unity of religions. It seems to me if the term "Universal Sufism" is to be used at all, it should encompass all Sufi orders who welcome non-Islamic initiates and hold universalist values. I would recommend a re-write of the article making it smaller, more accurate, and broader in scope. Please discuss! Sohrob Nabatian 22:19, 12 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sohrob nabatian (talk • contribs)

Copy-paste
Most of this material was copy-pasted from the article on Hazrat Inayat Khan. I copy-edited some of it, but it could use some work from someone knowledgable.
 * okay. also some of descendants are deceased and dates need to go in. Shazzamm 15:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Quote from magazine
Related to 1917 article of the magazine "Rays from the Rose Cross": the author does not refer to a specific Sufi organization like "Universal Sufism", but refers to the universality of Sufism while unifying spiritual esoteric teachings which go beyond the separative human dogmas of religions: the esoteric teachings come and go directly to the Spiritual source and so, in this sense, they are universal. However, the author has always expressed through his writings that these esoteric teachings and related religions are given, respectively, to the appropriate prepared individuals along "Rays" and to general people, as collectivity, along human races (and also through epochs, from East to West, the Sun's path). They should not work to convert other zones of the world, since, that according to the author of the article, they all have to give place - through a natural evolutive process - in a not far future (as man evolve) to one world Religion and related more advanced esoteric teachings to a more developed human intellect (which includes a fusion of both...): Esoteric Christianity, development of the known exoteric, external, popular form of Christianity (as man, in individual and collective forms, has also developed his mind since then) brought by the high Spiritual Being Christ, with the mission to unify and replace all the earlier religions (based upon races/world zones). So, given the aims of the movement or organization "Universal Sufism" to spread to the world, the author article does not talk about this, neither supports it. So, this section should again be reverted to the Sufism main article (as it is a major western - esoteric related to Christianity - reference toward Sufism, which is esoteric related to Mahometism). Thank you.

UUA link
I took out the link to the Unitarian Universalist Association, despite being a UU; I also made Universalist small U. There is no real historic or organic connection between Universal Sufism and Universalism of the North American sort (there may be one of sympathy, though, but that's perhaps at best after the fact). Blondlieut 03:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Grammar, spelling, and tone
Blondlieut, it might be prudent to make reference to the similarity between Sufi and UU beliefs in the article, but I think you're right to remove the link.

I'd like to make a request to whomever tried to edit this page along with me on 26 December 2006; I was trying to correct your edits sometimes not because I didn't love your wrtiing, which was amazing, but because I thought the tone was too conversational (an encyclopedia can't really do that) and I saw some areas with bad grammar and spelling mistakes. I tried to improve the grammar and syntax. I don't want there to be edit conflicts, and I don't want to annoy or disrespect anyone, especially not a fellow Sufi. So if you have questions or concerns, could you please contact me? --The Human Trumpet Solo, 09:39 AM, December 27, 2006

Djalo24, hey I am grateful for your contributions and grammar/spelling corrections. Are you a Universal Sufi, and where do you live? We should chat on msn or aol, mine are hsnbsh@hotmail.com or Djalo24. --Djalo24, 19:49, December 27, 2006

Speedy deletion
While the article needs sourcing I do not see major copyvio problems, with the exception of one small section, which is very short and with simple sourcing can be taken care of.  Dooms Day349  17:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I contest the deletion of this article because the Ten Thoughts in the Creedal Statement are religious statements. Saying that they are copywritten is like saying the ten commandments are also. Universal Sufism is a religion and its creedal statement is open for all to write. Djalo 18:05, 8 June 2007 (UK)

Orders and Leadership
I have removed a photograph eroneously showing an image of ambassador Samuel W. Lewis. This was not Pir Samuel L. Lewis, who in the U.S. today is an extremely important figure in universal sufism. I do not know how to obtain and enter a photograph of Samuel L. Lewis that is free and clear of copyright issues - there probably is at least one available from the Sufi Ruhaniat International order that Samuel L. Lewis founded. I have left a space open and would very much appreciate it if someone could fill it as soon as possible with an appropriate photo. Other photos that might fill out this section more fully would be those of Pir Villayat Khan (Sufi Order of the West, founder), Pir Zia Khan (current pir, Sufi Order of the West) and Pir Shabda Kahn (sic, current pir, Sufi Ruhaniat International) Ramseyman (talk) 20:10, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Notability
14.600 hits at Google search, 60 hits at Google books: the topic is notable. Joshua Jonathan  -  Let's talk!   05:19, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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merged with Sufi Order International article
It provides good material for the introduction and history.--Ernobe (talk) 17:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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Name Change to Inayatiyya?
This organization has recently officially changed its name from the Inayati Order to the Inayatiyya. The April newsletter states "Discussions in recent days between the International Board, the boards of various countries, the Message Council, the Astana, and myself have culminated in the agreement that now is the time to conclusively take up the name the Inayatiyya." The website still uses the old name, but everything else is using this newer one. Is it time to change the name of the article? AnandaBliss (talk) 17:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 23 May 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. No answer. Mdaniels5757 (talk) 02:16, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Inayati Order → Inayatiyya – This organization has recently officially changed its name from the Inayati Order to the Inayatiyya. The April newsletter states "Discussions in recent days between the International Board, the boards of various countries, the Message Council, the Astana, and myself have culminated in the agreement that now is the time to conclusively take up the name the Inayatiyya." AnandaBliss (talk) 20:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. — Young Forever (talk)   21:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)  —Relisting. buidhe 20:41, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment What is the common name in independent English sources? buidhe 20:41, 8 June 2020 (UTC)