Talk:Inca cuisine

Untitled
This sentence is confusing: "The most important staples were various tubers, including potatoes, amaranth and quinoa." as neither amaranth and quinoa are tubers. I assume "including potatoes" is parenthetical? krc 02:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Input
I wanted to come to this article long time ago. Well my first input comes in the form of listing most of the Crops, and some content. I will return, to see and check the content. -23:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Bulleted lists of crops are pretty useful for editorial purposes, as a starting point, but they're not really desirable in article space. I recommend converting them to prose as soon as possible.
 * Peter Isotalo 05:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, lets do it, -14:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't really know what to do with it. What's the source?
 * Peter Isotalo 07:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Move proposal
I propose to move this page to Andean cuisine since it more acurately by the same reason that Mediterranean cuisine is not callled Cuisine of the Roman empire. The cuisine described in this page existed before the Inca Empire and after it and beyond its borders so why should it be be called Inca cuisine? Dentren |  Ta lk  13:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, Andean cuisine is a more accurate term. One comment though, would this title, the article would have to include how this cuisine evolved after the Spanish conquest. --Victor12 (talk) 13:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The "Inca" is there largely there to delimit the article historically. As you may notice, post-Columbian ingredients are not mentioned. If you want to write about Andean cuisine from the stone age to today, you should really create a separate article.
 * Peter Isotalo 10:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * However, as Dentren mentioned above, there's no difference between Inca cuisine and the cuisine of previous Andean civilizations. Thus, Andean cuisine is the correct label for this topic. As for excluding post-Columbian ingredients and influences we could rename this Prehispanic Andean cuisine or just provide links to those cooking traditions that emerged after conquest: Bolivian cuisine, Peruvian cuisine, etc. --Victor12 (talk) 12:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The non-Incan relevance of the actual article content is fairly limited. There's overlapping info, yes, but none that couldn't be defined as prehistory. I'm all for wider definitions through renaming, but I believe it should also be done through actual expansion of contents. If anything, we need a wider range of sources than just Coe and Popenoe.
 * As for national cuisines, I think it's important to stress that they should be delimited by the establishment of the actual modern nation-states, not just the European conquest.
 * Peter Isotalo 14:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, not a single piece of information in the article is exclusive to the Incas. All of it applies to pre-Incan Andean civilizations. The Incas did not add any specific dish, ingredient or any other cuisine related stuff to this mix. That's why the article should be renamed as Andean cuisine as all of this crops, animals and food preparation methods were developed prior to the establishment of the Inca Empire. As for the second part of your post I agree, one can only talk about national cuisines properly from the 1820s on in the Andean Region. However, I don't think you want to include the colonial cuisine here, so the Spanish Conquest seems like an appropriate ending date for this article. --Victor12 (talk) 03:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see any problems with the contents of Andean cuisine, i should just simply have subtopics of how the cuisine was before the arrive of the spanish and its evolution since Spanish conquest and the independence of its colonies. As with all cuisines, they evolve so Andean cuisine before 1500 is just as Andean as modern Andean cuisine. However as said before they article should describe the evolution of the cuisine. Dentren  |  Ta lk  12:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * So, do we all agree on moving Inca cuisine to Andean cuisine? --Victor12 (talk) 15:46, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * І also oppose moving to Andean cuisine. Even though nothing is exclusive to Incas, the same can be claimed about Bolivian or Peruvian cuisine, not much in those articles only relates to the particular cultures. To name the article "Andean cuisine" post-Incan dishes must be mentioned, and to name it "Pre-hispanic Andean cuisine" - the history of domestication. Incas cuisine sounds the most appropriate, as a part of the topic about this culture. Alternatively this article should be expanded.--Oleksii0 (talk) 17:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Still Incan...
So after more than three years at a new title (of somewhat questionable consensus), this article has undergone virtually no changes whatsoever. Nothing of consequence has been altered except the title, parts of the lead and the rather pointless switch from "Inca" to "Andean". Not a single new fact supported by reliable sources has been added.

Since the original move seems to have been motivated by something something other than genuine desire for article improvement, I'm moving the article back form where it came from. That's especially relevant since the both Coe and Popenoe are discussing the Inca civilization. If anyone is interested in actually adding reliable info about the food culture of the the entire histories of the Andes region, I suggest they do it in a separate article.

Peter Isotalo 01:46, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Requested move II

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED non-admin closure due to consensus below. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC) Tiggerjay (talk) 19:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Inca cuisine → Andean cuisine – The Inca Empire was very shorlived and it would be wrong to attribute Andean cousine to it. This cuisine existed and evolved before and after the Inca Empire. Once the move is made the introduction should be changed to reflect the scope more properly. Dentren |  Ta lk  17:41, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * "Inca" refers to a time period, "Andean" refers to a region. This is about the time period. If you want an article about the region, you start a new one. This has been pointed out before, so please stop simply repeating the same request over and over.
 * Peter Isotalo 02:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Inca also refers to an ethnic group, Andean refers to a region. There are other ethnic groups involved in Andean cuisine, and this article seems to focus on the Inca -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 04:55, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose Certainly, a separate article for Andean cuisine should be created, but this article seems to focus on Incan cuisine. -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 04:55, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Citations and tone
Now that it's been merged, I hope this article finds some citations and an encyclopedic tone. Kortoso (talk) 22:37, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I've amended or removed some of the citation concerns. However, I really recommend that you actually consult the main source used before tagging the article. It's available at least in part on Google Books, for example.
 * As for tone, the criticism needs to be specified. Otherwise there's nothing to indicate what actually needs to be fixed.
 * Peter Isotalo 05:55, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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