Talk:Incantation

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Added a literary analysis and some collections of historical incantations. Left the first paragraph alone, although it's tempting to make a section about fictional magic and move the Harry Potter stuff there. (and then, one could also talk about Piers Anthony and Tolkien, both of him involve incantations in some of their fictional magic) --Peccavimus 02:39, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Incantations are a way to cast a spell. Enchantments are a variety of spell that can be cast without incantations. Why is "enchantment" redirecting here? Goldfritha 03:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Because, linguistically and etymologically, the words are related and derive from the same root. In fact, an enchantment is by definition the magical effect of an incantation. There are many other ways of casting a magical spell, in folklore and fiction, but the method of enchantment is, specifically, incantation. It's what the word literally means at its root. 72.49.160.86 (talk) 08:10, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Took out some repeated material from Enchanted section. This article seems to have some sort of potential, but is incredibly repetitive. Maybe somebody can fix it up? TheVaultDweller (talk) 20:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Incantation and enchantment have absolutely nothing to do with each other except that they both come from the subject "magic". Makes no sense at all to have an article about both. --84.178.78.86 (talk) 10:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, they do. Linguistically, they are the same - see my note above. This is already explained in the article, but in case you are unaware, the French language is a modern descendant of Latin - the French enchant is simply the surviving form of the Latin incantare. In a precisely analagous way, "charm" is derived from Latin carmen. 72.49.160.86 (talk) 08:25, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I find the article simple and clear and sufficiently informed for a stub. Incantation (ritual soothsaying) and enchantment (pleasurable state) have a lot in common, if only their common Latin etymology.

Goldfritha's comment reaches much to far for this article. The distinction she sees is of a much greater nuance than that article permits in its current state.

I'd have liked Peccavimus to deliniate more precisely between anthropological research on historical evidenced practices and texts of fiction.

Had I had the examples I'd throw in some shamanic stuff from Caucasus and some Voodoo things, but I don't. The real fun starts when we look at the Christian Mass as a magic function, particularly with reference to Eucharist. There is also potential for urban incantations, particularly in sub-cultures but also mass mediated characters; and here I'd add the plethora of objects that serve magical and propitiatory needs. Hope I'll gather the info needed for the expansion of the article but can't promise anything. Cheers! :) Andipacurar (talk) 11:43, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Charm, Enchantment, Spell
We have WP:DISAMBiguation pages for Charm, Enchantment, and Spell (and no primary topic for any of them).

Spell (paranormal) is one sibling article.

Charm in this sense directs to that spell article.

The lead sentence of this article -- "An incantation or enchantment is a charm or spell created using words." -- implies that charm and spell are more general because they may not be linguistic. But the Spell (paranormal) does not support the distinction clearly or well, maybe not at all.

Enchantment in this sense directs here, which fits the lead sentence implication that incantation and enchantment are linguistic special cases. I think that shows poor judgment. So did some editors, years ago, the above discussion shows.

Magical formula and magic word may be siblings of this article, or need refinement to avoid confusion as siblings. Magical phrase redirects to a "Magical language" section of the general article Magic (paranormal). That section identifies Spell and Word main articles, not this one.

--P64 (talk) 19:37, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * According to Incantation (disambiguation), "An incantation [links here -Ed.] is a formula of words sung or spoken during a ceremony or ritual." But the text of this article concerns only fictional enchantment/charm/spell. --P64 (talk) 20:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I guess "incantation" is more restrictive and refers just to spoken magic. If you say "lucky charm" that would be a tangible object, a talisman. In modern use "spell" or "spell-casting" would probably include rune magic or use of Magic circles, pentagrams or Mr. Potter waving the wand without saying anything. --Kiyoweap (talk) 13:25, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Web source in Spanish
I have a question for this article: Is this website and a reliable source to have on here?https://hechizoseternos.com/Castlegate22 (talk) 19:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

"Vashikaran" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Vashikaran. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 25 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 18:51, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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link to my own dimension 2001:D08:D8:D505:D7C:EECB:F354:5D98 (talk) 11:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Wrong link of Sim sa la bim
Can someone change the link to the right sim sa la bim? I'm not that skilled. 90.249.65.133 (talk) 19:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC)