Talk:Incredibles 2/Archive 1

For some reason, the voice cast section of the article isn't showing up?
Title says it all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:77A0:90:903:48B1:8122:842D (talk) 19:55, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If you can find a reference that lists the voice cast, then will be added. Until then, it cannot show up. --Frmorrison (talk) 17:01, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 29 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

The Incredibles 2 → Incredibles 2 – Per Disney's release slate showed at CinemaCon 2017, the film is simply titled "Incredibles 2" Babar Suhail (talk) 10:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose: premature. One picture of a logo at CinemaCon 2017 is not sufficient evidence that the definite article 'The' has been dropped from the title, we don't know that this will be the final logo as the film is not due for release until 2018 meaning that they have between 8 and 20 months to change the branding. Numerous written sources (as opposed to a photograph) use the format "The Incredibles 2" such as here, here, and here. The original film is entitled "The Incredibles" and I see no reason why these should be made inconsistent so early. Ebonelm (talk) 11:45, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose: same reasons as listed by Ebonelm. We cannot assume the title of the film based on one image versus a multitude of other sources. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 00:40, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


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The movie is now in production!
http://us.blastingnews.com/showbiz-tv/2017/06/the-incredibles-2-is-in-production-001782003.html Crazybob2014 (talk) 12:54, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

title change
can we change the title to Incredibles 2? Crazybob2014 (talk) 12:54, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * If there were a good reason to then I'm sure it would happen. However, if you look above you will see just such a request was rejected for good reasons, and also your post immediately above links to a story which refers to "The Incredibles 2", another good reason not to. Do you not think you should give a reason for your request? Captainllama (talk) 23:48, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 30 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved Kostas20142 (talk) 18:30, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

The Incredibles 2 → Incredibles 2 – per IMDb and other websites with this film, it is just called "Incredibles 2". - 2A00:23C0:4386:3001:DD1B:17B0:DA48:462E (talk) 13:03, 30 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose IMDB is not a reliable source, and reviewing sources, most of what I would say are reliable are using "The Incredibles 2", though there are some that just use "Incredibles 2". We need better confirmation which probably won't come until next year. --M ASEM (t) 13:20, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose IMDB is not even in the ballpark of being a reliable source, Hollywood Reporter and so on are using the current title. Leave alone till release. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:54, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the above.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 16:59, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose at this time per WP:COMMONNAME. We have one press release from Disney/Pixar using Incredibles 2, and it is possible this could be the actual title of the film upon release, in which case we should use it, per WP:ABOUTSELF and MOS:TITLES despite the inconsistency with the original film. But we don't know yet; WP:NOT.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  18:55, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


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Change Title to Correct Error
The title of the movie is Incredibles 2 NOT The Incredibles 2. How do I know this? I am in regular contact with folks who work on this film and we have had many discussions about how everyone outside of Pixar is using the article "The" in the title when that is just flat out wrong. You can oppose this change if you like, but you will be wrong. Note the quote below from director Brad Bird when speaking about the movie at D23 (even though the reporter prefaced his comments incorrectly with the title using the article "The"):

(from https://ohmy.disney.com/news/2017/07/14/incredibles-2-concept-art-d23-expo/) Bird also revealed details about The Incredibles 2, which puts the Parr family into an expanded universe that includes new allies and a brand-new villain. Bird said: “Incredibles 2 is really a family film, it’s just that the family happens to have super powers. They may have super speed or super strength, but they experience the same problems as any family.”

I think the director knows the title of his film. Also, see this image, which appears on IMDB and was taken at D23. The title of the film, as announced by Disney at its own event, is clearly Incredibles 2. No "The." http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0342430/mediaviewer/rm67972864

I'm sorry that I don't have any other evidence to support this change. But it should be made. And it will eventually be made, so might as well get it right now. BTW. Could someone with the power to do so, PLEASE change the title of the wikipedia page to Incredibles 2? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.83.179 (talk) 22:48, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * We are waiting until closer to release to see how it will be named, we can't go off word-of-mouth. IMDB is not usable, and anything marketing right now is easily liable to change. If in the few months before its release it is clear that it's just "Incredibles 2" we'll change it then. --M ASEM (t) 23:39, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 18 November 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved. No need to waste a full week discussing this. Jenks24 (talk) 01:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

The Incredibles 2 → Incredibles 2 – New trailer and marketing from Disney and Pixar indicate that this is indeed the new title for the film. Other reputable sites and comments from the director made previously support this. TheDarkKnight180 (talk) 16:32, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support based on the trailer and text for it. --M ASEM (t) 17:14, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support --Babar Suhail (talk) 17:25, 18 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Support Have seen the trailer which includes the full title screen Line 1 "Disney . Pixar", Line 2 "Incredibles 2" Savlonn (talk) 18:07, 18 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Support same reasons as mentioned above; appeared in the trailer and text. &mdash;Jman98 19:13, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support The cat has officially left the bag. Captainllama (talk) 19:36, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Official title. Hummerrocket   (talk)  20:17, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support All of the above. Facu-el Millo (talk) 00:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)


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Incredibles 2 trailer makes 113 million views in the first 24 hours
http://ew.com/movies/2017/11/20/the-incredibles-2-trailer-views/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.220.106.162 (talk) 14:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

New charcter!
https://twitter.com/disneypixar/status/971951432864694272 one of the workers will be voicing a character named Kari in Incredibles 2.66.186.231.131 (talk) 02:28, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Incredibles 2 now projected to open to $150 million in its opening weekend
Deadline is now saying, in their fore cast for Ocean's 8's opening weekend, that Incredibles 2 is now projected for a $150M opening weekend: https://deadline.com/2018/06/rihanna-sandra-bullock-oceans-8-weekend-box-office-preview-1202404985/. Hopefully, we can add this into the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.53.84 (talk) 11:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2018
The cast lead of Craig T. Nelson and Holly Hunter's positions need to be changed again, because brad bird himself confirmed himself when he began production, that the film would focus on Holly Hunter's character instead of Craig T. Nelson's character. If someone can edit that part in the cast list if that;'s ok, putting Holly Hunter as the lead cast instead of Craig T. Nelson. 174.192.35.194 (talk) 23:12, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ Cast order is based on order in billing block per template instructions. Conforms now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:16, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2018
In the Summary section, there's a sentence with a possible grammatical error.

"Meanwhile, Helen confronts the Screenslaver during her mission – a mysterious villain who hijacks screens in order to project hypnotic images that can brainwash ordinary civilians."

The text after the dash obviously refers to the Screenslaver but literally, this says it's about either Helen Parr or Helen's mission. I think the sentence works just fine without the words "during her mission" but if this information is deemed necessary, it should be surrounded by a pair of commas and put after the word "Helen" at the beginning of the sentence. 2602:306:BC31:4AA0:480B:1D12:4102:2962 (talk) 23:49, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 00:12, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018
In Reception - Box Office - United States and Canada, it says that Cars 3 was the most recent Pixar movie before this one, forgetting Coco was a thing. Plz change.
 * Yes check.svg Done, changed wording of the section--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 22:04, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Confused with tag
I've added the tag because Incredible 2 was redirected to HTC Incredible S. I've cross posted the tag on both articles because of this. Plus, on the page, it says the phone is also known as Incredible 2. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 07:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It wasn't clear why it was confusing in the original hatnote. I put back a modified one that points to the redirect of the similar name. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware that that phone was alternately called "Incredible 2", knowing that I agree with the hatnote addition. I was worried that it was being singled out above many many other topics that have "Incredible" as part of their name. --M asem (t) 16:31, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. No problem. --Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 17:02, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a note about hatnotes. The purpose of these is exclusively to communicate to a reader that they got to the wrong article by mistake and point them to the correct article. All the hatnote needs is sufficient information for them to understand they are at the wrong article and get them to the article that they are actually looking for. Short but sufficient is desired, no extraneous info and only one link. This is similar to rules for entries in disambiguation pages and basically serves the same purpose. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect information in 'Plot'
This section incorrectly states that 'a battle ensues between the Supers, threatening to crash the ship into New Urbem' whilst in the film it is clearly established that the ship is on course to crash into Municiberg; New Urbem is an unrelated city that appears earlier in the film. DylanOke (talk) 08:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Name typo
Mr. Incredible's car should be called the Incredimobile, not the Incredible as it currently is listed. Jameshenryhay (talk) 23:18, 29 June 2018 (UTC)Jameshenryhay Jun 29, 2018


 * It's named Incredibile in the movie. Not a typo.Crboyer (talk) 00:21, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Seizure wording
The inset box reads: "The Screenslaver's hypnosis-inducing screens have been criticized by disability advocates for triggering epileptic seizures." I don't see any documentation that the scenes have actually triggered a seizure. This should be softened to say something like "potentially triggering". 192.91.171.34 (talk) 14:19, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I reworded it a bit. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Quote at end of Plot section
One of my favorite things about this article that sadly probably can't stay is this quote:

"Outside the theater, the Parrs spot a deadly high speed pursuit between police and armed gunmen."

The italicized portion of this quote is a direct quotation from the first film:

"We interrupt for an important bulletin: A deadly high-speed pursuit between police and armed gunmen is underway travelling northbound on San Pablo Avenue."

I imagine that the author who directly quoted the text did so to highlight the way that the two movies are bookended - however, it is directly quoting the film. Should the wording be changed, or should the quote simply be cited? I love the way that it highlights this connection, but I'm not sure that it can be preserved under Wikipedia's guidelines. --StewartIM, July 12, 2018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by StewartIM (talk • contribs) 05:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

talk
I removed this section and table because it's not the type of information we typically include in a wikipedia article. Maybe a sentence or two about records, but not this level of detail.
 * I added this in to the page, to give a overview of the records Incredibles II have broken, a lot of pages have done this, with a bit of research (look into how country’s it had opening weekend and total gross for an animted film, ertc.

record set by Incredibles 2
Fluous (talk) 03:03, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2018
On this page, there are many omissions to the composer credits in the section Incredibles 2: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack.

Album composers per the liner notes state, "Michael Giacchino / Additional Music by Mick Giacchino", and should be thus credited.

Several tracks require special attention to detail:

27. Here Comes Elastigirl – Elastigirl's Theme Music & Lyrics by Michael Giacchino

28. Chill or Be Chilled – Frozone's Theme Music by Michael Giacchino / Lyrics by Brad Bird

29. Pow! Pow! Pow! – Mr. Incredible's Theme Music & Lyrics by Michael Giacchino

On track 30, "Devtchno!" is misspelled. It should read, "Devtechno!".

Even Windows Media Player did not have the album information as of August 28.

Thank you for your kind attention.

Philip F. Weber Calumet City, Illinois 75.34.165.151 (talk) 05:07, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Hi Philip. Have a look at the article now, and let us know if you think further correcting is needed. Thanks for reporting. Sam Sailor 09:08, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Plot
I rewrote the plot summary, but was reverted. I believe the current example contains unnecessary words and detail. Examples:


 * Three months after defeating Syndrome Syndrome has nothing to do with the plot of this film.
 * Bob offers to look after the kids while Helen is away. Bob struggles with his new role as a stay-at-home parent We explain here that Bob becomes a stay-at-home dad twice.
 * Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack escape with the help of the Incredi-bile, a high-tech car once owned by Bob during his time as Mr. Incredible, The history of the Incredible isn't important for a plot summary. We only need to say it's the Incredibles' high-tech car.
 * Jack-Jack begins to display his various superpowers in an uncontrollable manner - wordy. "Jack-Jack wreaks havoc with his burgeoning superpowers" is more concise.
 * his luxury hydrofoil ship the Everjust - the name of the ship is not important.
 * they manage to slow... - this "manage to" is unnecessary: "they slow..." is sufficient.

Check out How_to_streamline_a_plot_summary for more explanations and examples of my approach. Popcornduff (talk) 05:09, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * The current plot is just fine as it is. It has the right amount of detail without being too much. Your version is grossly bare bones for a 2-hour animated movie.TucLen (talk) 16:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * For example? Popcornduff (talk) 17:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Compare the plot summary you're trying to make with the plot summary from the first Incredibles (or you know, other Pixar movies in general?). This is not an episode from a tv show, it's a 2-hour movie with a significantly elaborate story. It requires sufficient length and attention to detail, and how it's currently worded it's perfectly fine.TucLen (talk) 17:54, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you give examples of elements you consider necessary that I removed, and why you think they're necessary? Popcornduff (talk) 03:59, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * * The superhero Parr family, also known as the Incredibles, prevent the Underminer from destroying City Hall The opening sequence involving the Underminer is pretty damn relevant as it kickstarts the whole plot. You don't even mention the fact the Underminer robs the bank and escapes (which again, is an important fact in the plot as they are some of the key reasons the government shuts down the Super program) and you make no mention of Rick Dicker being unable to help the Parrs, which is also relevant.
 * * Meanwhile, Elastigirl captures the Screenslaver, a supervillain who projects hypnotic images using television screens; she unmasks him as a deliveryman with no memory of his actions. Elastgirl doesn't just "capture" the Screenslaver, the train and helicopter sequences are significant set pieces in the film.
 * * Elastigirl realizes the Screenslaver was being mind-controlled by screens within a pair of goggles. Again, Elastigirl doesn't just "realize it". She investigates it first.
 * * To Bob's disappointment, they choose Elastigirl to spearhead the stunt, as she causes less damage. "citing insurance purposes as his rationale" just sounds better.
 * * Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack escape in the Incredibile, Mr Incredible's high-tech car That is misleading, as you make it sound as if Bob never stopped owning the car.


 * Sorry, but your plot is too brief, too shallow, and too simplistic. I vehemently disagree with your stance and approach and I'm not going to just let you eviscerate the synopsis. I'm putting my foot down on this matter, and if that means we're going to have an edit war, then so be it. TucLen (talk) 04:53, 9 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not interested in edit-warring - that's why I started this discussion.
 * The opening sequence involving the Underminer is pretty damn relevant as it kickstarts the whole plot. Yes, but the actual events of the fight are less important - what actually kickstarts the plot is the fact that the government disapproves of the fight and shuts down the superhero program.
 * I feel this also covers Dicker being unable to help them - he has no impact on the plot beyond erasing Tony's memory. I could live with an extra sentence explaining that without him they have no financial assistance, as that's partly why they end up with the new home.
 * "citing insurance purposes as his rationale" just sounds better This isn't an argument - see WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. My objection to the current phrasing is that it's unclear. To the reader who hasn't seen the film it's not obvious what "insurance purposes" these might be. If we just say it's because she causes less damage, it's not only shorter, but easy to understand.
 * Again, Elastigirl doesn't just "realize it". She investigates it first. But this investigation amounts to a single brief scene where she looks at some footage and thinks out loud for a moment, leading to her realization. The process of her "investigation" isn't a meaningful part of the plot.
 * the train and helicopter sequences are significant set pieces in the film. They're action setpieces that don't need to be addressed at length in a plot summary. But I'm confused by your point as your version doesn't mention the helicopter or train anyway. Popcornduff (talk) 05:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I have taken note of your points and have trimmed down some of the plot, but I will fight to keep the detail in, so I hope we can compromise. Also, one big mistake that seems flew over your head in your plot summary:
 * However, the government, concerned by the collateral damage, makes superheroes illegal. Superheroes were already illegal, the fight with the Underminer prompts the government to shut down the relocation program, not make supers illegal again since they already were. How did you miss that? TucLen (talk) 05:47, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * What is your objection to writing "the superhero Parr family"? We need to explain that they are superheroes, rather than leaving the reader to figure that out. This is about a superhero family. That is the premise of the film. Popcornduff (talk) 06:08, 9 September 2018 (UTC)


 * It's simply not gramatically correct. Jesus christ. TucLen (talk) 06:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes it is. Popcornduff (talk) 06:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Googling the term "superhero Parr family" produces lots of results from published sources, such as the Boston globe. If that doesn't convince, in any case I've added a slightly wordier compromise. Popcornduff (talk) 06:35, 9 September 2018 (UTC)