Talk:Independence, Missouri

Latter-day Saints vs. Latter Day Saints
I agree with A Sniper in his preference of "Latter Day Saint movement" over "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". While the latter is by far the largest Mormon group, it is by no means the only one, and many of the others have headquarters or at least representatives in this city. While "Latter Day Saint movement" includes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the opposite usage excludes those who are not of the Utah LDS church. Furthermore, Joseph Smith's organization was not known as the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" during the Independence period of its history (1831-33). Hence, for this and for general NPOV issues, it would be far better to leave the reference to "Latter Day Saint movement," in my opinion. - Ecjmartin (talk) 11:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

LDS
Why is half of the intro about the LDS Church? Nobody talks about it here, and I have never even met one person who belongs to it in all the years that I've lived here. Amn12 (talk) 11:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand your question (I'm not LDS, either), but the traditional LDS concept of Independence as the 'center place' of their 'Zion' is distinctive; something that sets Independence apart from other cities. Thus its inclusion here. - Ecjmartin (talk) 22:06, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

'Denominations' versus 'Offshoots'
Recently an editor made what I assume were good-faith edits to this page, replacing the word "denominations" (when used to refer to the Community of Christ, Temple Lot church and other Latter Day Saint denominations headquartered in Independence) with "offshoots." The new edits stated that these other groups were "offshoots" of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, headquartered in Salt Lake City, Utah. While this may indeed be the view of that editor and those of his faith, it is not encyclopedically correct to list them this way.

"Denominations," unlike what this person said in their explanation, do not have to share the same beliefs to be part of a single movement. That's what makes them "denominations" in the first place--the fact that they are separate in some of their beliefs and/or practices, from others in the same umbrella group. All sects of the larger Latter Day Saint movement (note the absence of the hyphen) share:


 * a) a common origin (i.e. Joseph Smith and his claims), and
 * b) at least two common scriptures (Bible and Book of Mormon, though some disagree on which Bible version they use).

This editor may assume that "Latter Day Saint movement" means his church alone, but that is polemics, not history. All of the sects currently extant today--including the Utah LDS--are derived from Joseph Smith's original church, to which each of them claim to be the true successor. The Utah LDS claim the others all broke off from them; Temple Lot people insist on things being the other way around, as do Strangites, etc. To say the other Independence denominations are "offshoots" of the Utah LDS church (as opposed to denominations within the larger Latter Day Saint movement--as historically, not polemically, defined) is polemical, not encyclopedic. We've been down this road before... - Ecjmartin (talk) 16:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

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