Talk:Indian King Tavern

This doesn't make sense
The historical implications of this page really don't make sense. The July 2, 1776 New Jersey Constitution is what declared that New Jersey was a soverign an independent state. The July 4, 1776 Declaration of Independence was then ratified by representatives of New Jersey. The Articles of Confederation were then later ratified by NJ representatives in 1779, forming a U.S. federal government. This leaves little room for whatever happened in this tavern in 1777. For that reason, I'm adding the disputed template. See the History of New Jersey article. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 12:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It looks to me that the colony of New Jersey delcared itself independent two days before all of the colonies made the same declaration in Philadelphia. The 1776 NJ Constitution itself makes the declaration of its own volition: "We, the representatives of the colony of New Jersey, having been elected by all the counties, in the freest manner, and in congress assembled, have, after mature deliberations, agreed upon a set of charter rights and the form of a Constitution, in manner following..." .  The Declaration was not signed by the most delegates (ingluding the NJ delegates) until August 2.  In politics, delegates' acceptance of a binding agreement must be accepted by the office or body that has the power to do so. The Declaration was therefore formally read into the minutes of the Assembly, whereafter they passed a law accepting it, when it was meeting on the second floor of the Indian King. - CobaltBlueTony 13:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * If that is what is being claimed, it needs to be made explicit. But regardless, the acceptance of the Declaration does not make NJ an independent state.  Rather, the writing and endorsement of the NJ Constitution did, which happened in the NJ assembly.  This was done July 2 1776.  Also, the acceptance of the declaration was not the thing that NJ was #3 in doing.  It was the third state to endorse the U.S. constitution in 1787.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 14:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Please review my revision, and thank you for your help! - CobaltBlueTony 14:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that was a positive and significant change. I made a couple additional changes to make things a bit clearer.  Please review them.  With those changes I have removed the disputed tag.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

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