Talk:Indiana Jones (character)/Archive 1

Fear of Snakes?
"Jones is notable for his trademark bullwhip, fedora, and extreme fear of snakes." -I wouldn't call it a fear of snakes, but more that he hates snakes, which isn't the same thing. After all, he's not screaming and running in fear everytime he comes across a snake (which is rather frequently). What do you guys think? 153.18.17.22 20:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In the Last Crusade flashback he was sure screaming and running like hell.

-G

Indiana Jones Books
Isn't there a series of books about Indiana Jones? Not just novelizations of the movies, but also original stories, much like the crapload of Star Wars books, and equally unreadable?
 * I have read some, and yes, they are much like Star Wars, but it would be nice to include some. Also, what about the comics?Jeff503 11:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

In Barcelona
Some of the comics are infamous in Spain by their misrepresentation of Barcelona in 1936. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.20.17.84 (talk) 16:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Crap
This page is all trivia about ephemeral Indiana Jones garbage. Why not more of a focus on the Big Famous Movies rather than having them as a subtext to a TV show, of all things.


 * Because, like Star Wars, the films are only part of a larger whole. The Wookieepedian 15:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Languages
I don't know where the list of languages that Indiana Jones can speak came from, but can't we also assume that some Indian language? he translates the village elder's speech in Temple of Doom from some Indian language. It seems like he may also know Sanskrit and Latin...

The fourth film
A fourth movie is in production. Shall we implement parts of the new story?
 * Not yet, as nobody outside of the production has seen or heard of a script or title. We have no idea with Indy will be doing.

Title of the fourth movie
I always heard it was to be called Indiana Jones and the Lost Continent rather than Indiana Jones 4. Of course this would be a reference to Atlantis. Redwolf24 9 July 2005 01:10 (UTC)
 * Well, Indiana Jones and the Lost Continent is what Daily Mail claimed Indy IV would be called when they ran a story back in 1994 about a fourth Indiana Jones film where Sandra Bullock would play Indy's sidekick. Since then rumours have had it that the fourth installation in the Indiana Jones saga would be called Indiana Jones and the Sons of Darkness, Indiana Jones and the Monkey King, Indiana Jones and the Garden of Life, Raiders of the Fallen Empire, Indiana Jones: The Law of One, Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars, Indiana Jones and the Sword of Arthur and Indiana Jones and the Red Scare. Harrison Ford recently joked and said that it would be called Indiana Jones and The Opal of the Mer-Man Prince. --Whitestreet 15:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Seeing Harrison is about 100 now, it ought to be Indiana Jones & The Electric Walker. Trekphiler 01:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Me and some of my friends refer to Indy 4 as Indiana Jones & the Search for Bifocals. :) -- Jalabi99 19:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Template
That template is horrible, its all wrong. The first film was never called Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark, that was just on the video boxset to make it fit with the dodgy TV series. The title was just Raiders of the Lost Ark and it should be shown that way on any template. JW 23:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that it what Lucas retitled it (I know, he didn't in the DVD or any past prints). It's similar to the star wars situation. Although Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope was released as simply "Star Wars," that is not what he wanted it to be titled, so he changed the name. I'm sure he felt the same way about the Indy films. The movie was retitled to fit in with the titles of the other two theatrical films. The template actually seems much more organized and chronological now, in my opinion. I guess next you'll remove the fact that I refer to the Young Indy Series as Chapters 1-22, and the trilogy 23-25 in the main article. Hmm... it reminds me of the purists over in the star wars articles. TheAlternateReality 02:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Star Wars is slightly different because the title of the first film is used to describe the whole series, so "Episode IV" at least serves a purpose in clarifying which Star Wars film. It was also re-released as Star Wars: Episode IV, etc in 1981 and the on-screen credits have been changed so it now always appears under that name. Raiders, though, was never released under the title Indiana Jones and... and the title on the film is still the original one. Pretending its called Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark doesn't really serve any purpose. JW 11:14, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The thing is that, like Star Wars, Raiders has to fit ijn with the other movies and the TV show. Star Wars was renamed A New Hope to keep the name consistant with what would be its prequels and sequels. The same with Raiders. The Wookieepedian 15:24, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Like a Whip
Anybody care Indy's whip was auctioned @US$74000 awhile ago? Trekphiler 01:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

List of Indiana Jones fiction
The comprehensive list of all known Indiana Jones media somewhat bisects the article, making readers skim through the middle until they hit the "Rides" or "Origins" sections. I think it would be best to create List of Indiana Jones fiction (or similar) as a copy of the "Appearances" section and keep only a more readable summary here (i.e., anything in the section that's in paragraph form). The link to the list would be prominently displayed by Main or Details. --Mrwojo 07:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

If no one objects I'll do this in a few days. Also, the part about the four planned sequels to Raiders needs to cite sources. Mentioning "Indy 6" sounds like hopeful speculation by nit-picking fans. I don't think Paramount would go back and tell Lucas that Temple doesn't count because it was a prequel and not a sequel. --Mrwojo 04:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Help in Emperor's Tomb...
If anyone wants to work with me on that page, please let me know on my discussion page. ThanksGnrlotto

Indy's 1993 NYC appearance
what reference/source is this part about Indy in New York City in 1993 based on? at the moment there is no reference Bwithh 16:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. The Wookieepedian 08:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Biography
This biography is rediculous. It reads like non-fiction. Christ I think some fat nerd has delved a little too deep into fantasy and thinks that Indiana Jones is real and that the girls in his 300GB porno collection actually want to have sex with him --Nambio 07:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The picture captioned "Indiana Jones with his father Dr. Henry Jones, Sr." should be more along the lines of "Sean Connery and Harrison Ford in full costume on the set of Indiana Jones"
 * Where the hell did this list of languages come from?
 * "When last seen in 1993, Jones was living in New York City with his daughter and her family" where the hell do I start with this one?? HE IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER HE DOES NOT EXIST.


 * I think you underestimate the reading comprension ability of the majority of our readers... The Wookieepedian 08:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it can do with a re-write --130.216.191.184 02:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * See the Indiana Jones Timeline . Also PaintIndy.

We have plenty of articles on fictional characters. PMA 23:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * See Manual of Style (writing about fiction) --84.20.17.84 16:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

--- Indiana Jones held the rank of Life scout in the Last Crusade.

Fedora
I'm no expert on hats but I strongly doubt that the fedora is a version of the Akubra hat from Australia. I'm pretty sure they have distinct lineages. I also doubt that Indiana's hat has anything to do with Akubra at all and thus the reference is strange, even fanciful. Alpheus 02:03, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Jones' mother
I've not seen Young Indy, but tell me, did Anna Jones ever appear on the show? All I know of her was the brief mention in Last Crusade is that she dies of an illness. Wiki-newbie 13:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * She does indeed appear - and the fact that you do not know this is disturbing given your agressive and undiscussed reverting of my work on the biography section....Mikejstevenson 17:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I hate snakes website
"NN" (in a loose sense). Google "link:ihatesnakes.com" only yields one result. —dto 01:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Please stop adding that link or provide reasoning. Thank you. —dto 01:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's my first attempt at posting on Wikipedia so I apologize for my trial and error efforts. I don't understand why that site is inappropriate. Many of the other Indiana Jones links are fan sites and are listed. This site fits with the page and other pages related to Indiana Jones on Wikipedia and isn't just random spamming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lon111 (talk • contribs)


 * It's just somewhat suspicious when a newly registered user links to a single site in 3 different articles. —dto 02:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No offense, but I have a feeling that you are in some way associated with this site (see External links). Neutral Point of View stuff aside, though, the site (no offense) is simply not big enough at the moment (for example, only one other site links to it). I'm sure that if the site grows, somebody else will add the link to the external links section. Thank you. —dto 02:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Old Indy
There is a question at the bottom of the main article about how Indy might have lived so long or that he still has enough vigor in him, I don't think it's because of the Grail. If one remembers from the Last Crusade, the effects of the Grail won't work if it's passed the seal. The knight stated after Indy picked the right cup that "But the Grail can't pass the great seal, for that is the price of immortality". So if that were true, Indy staying in pretty good health or living to 90 or more most likely wouldn't be because of the power of the Grail itself. It would be assume that whatever power that's controlling the Grail would stop the moment it crossed the seal and beyond if one would have made it completely out of the temple with it. Meaning at that point it's power would be no more and render the one that claims it just a normal man/woman. (Sept 6, 2006) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.31.45.49 (talk • contribs)

Or the Grail, for that matter.

WikiProject Films Tag
The removal of the tag is not "destructive", The article does not belong in WikiProject Films, the project is about films not characters from films. Cbrown1023 23:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I only objected that you presented no rationale for removing the tag. All you had to do was say so in the Edit Summary field, and I wouldn't have reverted your edit (the project page doesn't immediately state whether or not characters are included). EVula 00:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm also sorry about not putting in an edit summary, but when you are working on assessing a lot of films, you don't have time for an edit summary. Cbrown1023 01:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We just re-evaluated our project guidelines and now it does fit the scope. Cbrown1023 01:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Indiana Jones Humor
For a funny take on Professor Jones bid for tenure, see this link: http://mcsweeneys.net/2006/10/10bryan.html ''Em-jay-es 05:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:Indiana Jones 1.jpg
This is currently tagged as unsourced and lacking a fair use rationale. I originally uploaded it, and while it's self-evidently a publicity shot, I don't know exactly where it came from. I assume that this article's regular contributors would have more ability to answer that, know who owns the copyright to the character, the films, and therefore this still, and be able to state more clearly what information this provides. Or, if the contributors decide that it is unnecessary in light of the screenshot currently leading the article...though I believe the still is a much more illustrative and iconic image of the character. But it's up to you now to decide whether to save this. Cheers, Postdlf 23:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a mistake
"The very same dinosaurs had been manufactured since the early 29th century and was the hottest man alive a typical of the time period." This somehow is reference to the iconic fedoras, and their original conception. I may be missing something but i believe this should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stapry (talk • contribs)
 * Good call, especially since it had been removed 13 hours before you posted this. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 06:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Move this page please
This page needs the name changed to Indiana Jones (character) and put Indiana Jones as a redirect and make a Indiana Jones disambiguation page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.21.144.217 (talk • contribs)


 * Hmm, I can see the use of a disambiguation page for Indiana Jones, but just put it at Indiana Jones (disambiguation) and leave the character article here. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 01:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agree - think about what people are actually searching for when they type 'Indiana Jones' into Wikipedia Mikejstevenson 18:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

New Movie?
I heard there was to be another movie. Is this correct? Hertzian 19:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Of Course...See This http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367882/

Archeology
Something should be said about how modern archaeologists remark that their work has nothing to do with Indy-style treasure hunting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.20.17.84 (talk) 17:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC).


 * I'm not sure how relevant that is to this article - is it better off in the general 'Archeology' article? Mikejstevenson 18:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Fictional inspirations
Would it be appropriate to mention Allan Quatermain as the primary fictional source somewhere in the 'Origins' section? Andyana 15:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, by all means, I'd say he was a fairly obvious inspiration... but before you do you need to find a citation for it! Mikejstevenson 17:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Raiders Title
Whether we use Raiders Of The Lost Ark or Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark needs discussion. The first was certainly correct at it's original release - however Lucas has now firmly retconned the title to the latter (you cannot buy it now with the original title). My preference is to use the latter, officially sanctioned by Lucasfilm, title (note that the original title is mentioned in the header). Any thoughts? Mikejstevenson 18:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

If you watch the film, it still is Raiders. It's not an actual change to the film ala Star Wars: the Indiana Jones and the prefix is just marketing. Wiki-newbie 18:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * According to WP:NAME, titles for articles should be based on what the majority of english speaking readers would know the subject as. In my opinion, I believe that the majority of readers know the film as simply Raiders of the Lost Ark and without the prefix. The Filmaker 22:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Canon
I don't think we should be treating all the Young Indiana Jones stuff as canon. IMO, only the original three movies and potential fourth movie should be treated as such.
 * I'm of the same opinion. But, first, it's only an opinion, and second, Young Indiana Jones is about the same character. We could possibly create The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles and add the information it revealed about his past there instead. --Mrwojo 14:34, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * "...about the same character..." Then we should possibly include the games as well. But if we're going to do that there must be an easy way for the reader to know where different parts are coming from, especially because not all readers might have the same ideas on what canonical is in this case (and what is not). Shinobu 04:19, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * We should cover the games, literature, and anything else that significantly involves the character. Noting the source sounds like a good idea.  --Mrwojo 13:26, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Has Lucasfilm or Paramount even created a canon policy for the Indiana Jones series? The Wookieepedian 15:20, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

If they're not canon, then they're close as heck, considering Lucas' involvement, nor do they contradict anything. Indy as a concept lends himself so well. Wiki-newbie 17:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that Lucas' involvement in the Young Indiana Jones series helps in making a strong argument that this series can be included as part of the canon -- Harrison Ford's own appearance in the series' finale also lends it an air of authenticity. However, I fail to see how the video games -- or, even more ridiculously -- the amusement-park ride can be considered part of the character's biography.

Well, The Emperor's Tomb is just a portrayal of the story leading into Temple of Doom. Wiki-newbie 18:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Fate of Atlantis is SO canon. Someone should write to George Lucas and find out what his opinion is on the games, but I guess just a letter from him wouldn't hold up here. I do think the games with significant story aspects should be somehow noted here at least, and I'm sure anyone who's played Fate of Atlantis can testify to its worth. Only thing is I don't know where on the timeline Fate of Atlantis happened. At the very least Doug Lee should be mentioned as an actor who played Indy. He's the guy who did Indy's voice in Fate of Atlantis and in the Infernal Machine. -- Haridan 22:57, 2 January 2006 (GMT)


 * Just to clarify, anything in the following categories is canon : -


 * Anything released by Lucasfilm (the films, Young Indiana Jones, etc)
 * Anything released by LucasArts (video games, etc)
 * Anything explicitly canonized by its appearance in an official Lucasfilm timeline (for example, Dierdre Campbell, The early meetings with Belloq, etc)Mikejstevenson 07:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick note from an aging geek: probably the first Indiana Jones video game was actually on the Atari 2600, I think it was called Raiders of the Lost Ark, and followed the film's quest elements. You can probably even grab an emulator and a ROM snap, if that sort of thing is still any sorta legal-ish, if you're into trying out an old 24k game, or however many k those old suckers had. If this doesn't belong here, sorry to bug you. Thanks for the page.:) [Edit: Here's a link after a quick search, have fun, and thanks again. http://indianajones.ugo.com/games/raiders_of_the_lost_ark/

Nice link - thanks for that - and thanks for the kind words about the page. Myself I have fond memories of the Temple of Doom arcade game - happy days :) PS : - Feel free to contribute! Mikejstevenson 15:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Influence on Dirk Pitt
Trouble is, by the time Raiders came out, Dirk Pitt had already featured in 5 novels... but without a doubt ROTLA et al was an influence on the later stories... Mikejstevenson 16:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Portrayers
Unfortunately the picture of George Hall has been deleted by Teke ( talk ) for what he claims is a fair use violation, and he's not willing to even discuss the situation. Therefore, it seem pointless to keep the entire section. Perhaps I'll turn it into a simple list. Mikejstevenson 05:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Canonicity of elder Jones
We seem to need clarity on this. Nothing Lucas has done has specifically retconned elder Jones. However, in the most recent versions seen of TYIC, he has removed those sections. In the book The Creative Impulse, as in the refs, it is stated by Lucas that he had done so, and why. Rick McCallum has stated in interviews that the bookend sections are gone (with the exception of Fords cameo). Therefore, we are simply making a statement that the canonicity of elder Jones is unclear. That doesn't mean he is not canon. That doesn't mean he is. It simply means it's unclear. Thoughts? Mikejstevenson 05:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That statement is already made in the article immediately below where you insist on re-inserting it. There is no need to insert it everywhere there is a reference to Old Indy. MikeWazowski 05:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

A discussion - now we're getting somewhere. The reason is as follows : - we have a section called a biography - detailing a fictional biography of the character. If we have segments of that biography which appear to have been erased, it needs to be highlighted - we're all agreed on that. The only question is how, and where. If you have a biography along the lines of : -

1. Did x 2. Did y 3. Did z

And z is in question, then I think it should be highlighted in the biography, because by extension part of the biography is in question. I would sooner have the 'Canonicity of daughter' element merged into the biography, rather than present the elder Jones sections as fact in the biography when their 'factual' (in a canon sense) status is unclear Mikejstevenson 05:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)