Talk:Indiana State Road 931

Commissioning of SR 931
SR 931 was commissioned officially on November 26, just because a contractor places a finish sign early doesn't mean INDOT commissioned the route. INDOT commissioned the route after the opening of new US 31, by changing the old US 31 signs to SR 931 signs.See and the many other news articles.--Detcin (talk) 15:46, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

St. Joseph County
I started a discussion at the USRD talk page about whether 931 exists now in St. Joseph County on the section until recently signposted as US-31 and if so which sources to use to identify it. I started it there to solicit opinions about whether a full page alteration would be unnecessary at this point but of course discussion here is also welcome. Mapsax (talk) 15:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Indiana State Road 931 northern segment

I found this in the FAQ for the newly-opened section of US-31 freeway between US-20 and US-30: What happens to the existing US 31?

INDOT has been working with local municipalities to discuss relinquishing various portions of the former highway. Below is the current status of US 31: •Old US 31 is closed permanently between 7th Road and 3A Road in Marshall County. •Old US 31 is SR 931 in St. Joseph County and Lakeville. •In Marshall County and LaPaz, the roadway is Michigan Road. •US 31 is closed permanently between Hildebrand Street and US 20 in St. Joseph County.

The portion of Old US 31 through St. Joseph County will become a local street once construction is complete at the end of the year.

So many things on which to comment...first, it says "Old US 31 is SR 931" in the present tense. (Note that "and Lakeville" is redundant for our purposes since Lakeville is wholly within St. Joseph County.) I would take this at face value, since the 31 Plymouth to South Bend page is an official INDOT page, and therefore this information can be taken as official. However, it's sketchy since it's part of an undated FAQ, and there's no backup that I can find such as a press release. There is another unofficial, secondary source in the form of a news article and video from the day of the ribbon cutting for the new freeway segment (I don't know how this flew under my radar at the time) but that's also probably not reliable enough, plus any changes noted above were in the future then. But even if it's the case that we can prove with a RS that the northern 931 exists, you've got the last sentence: "The portion of Old US 31 through St. Joseph County will become a local street once construction is complete at the end of the year". If I follow, that means that the 931 designation is temporary and will disappear at the end of the year, maybe without any signage even being fabricated. It seems to me that it would just be easier to call it "Old US 31" and not even involve the number "931" especially with Kokomo's 931 already well established.

All that said: Is it even worth it to include any of this in the SR-931 article or the parent US-31 article? I certainly don't want anyone to go through the trouble of rewriting the former to account for a two-segment route if the north one is just going to disappear soon.... Mapsax (talk) 17:19, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe not in the route description, but it's probably worth mentioning in the history. But unfortunately, there would be sourcing issues as you mention. --Rschen7754 01:50, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Something like this:
 * The old alignment in Marshall County was given to the county government in [whenever]. The St. Joseph County portion was briefly designated as a second segment of SR 931, but was downgraded in [whenever].
 * But maybe it's going to stay SR 931. See the version of the FAQ posted in April. (PS: I just told them to save the current version.) --NE2 02:25, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Although this is WP:CRYSTAL, I see this 931 hanging around a while since St. Joseph County doesn't seem to want to take on anything; witness 933 disappearing at the Elkhart County line. And forget my "without any signage even being fabricated"; I didn't get the end of the news video to play initially so I missed the reporter stating that INDOT told her that markers were likely being made as she spoke. I guess we'll just have to wait for a field check to see if there have been markers posted; this AARoads thread was started in 2011 but keeps getting resurrected anytime there's a new event/observation, with the last post just nine days ago, so eventually someone should come across something (it's 300 miles from me so I can't do it myself). Or we can wait around for Street View's next pass.... Of course even if markers are reported it'd still be OR, but at least we'll know it's still worth pursuing. In lieu of a press release or something similar, I guess the status quo is the best option. Mapsax (talk) 12:05, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, so now we have this:
 * So now even though we have a reliable source stating that something's 931 up that way, not only does it not list the extent of the designation, it contradicts what the project FAQ (see transcription) has said: The Lapaz/Marshall County section of old 31, where U.S. 6 crosses, is listed there as the part not state-maintained anymore. Everything else I find on the INDOT website still shows the Marshall County/St. Joseph County stretch of old 31 as U.S. 31 because the relevant info still hasn't been updated yet. Mapsax (talk) 13:25, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * So now even though we have a reliable source stating that something's 931 up that way, not only does it not list the extent of the designation, it contradicts what the project FAQ (see transcription) has said: The Lapaz/Marshall County section of old 31, where U.S. 6 crosses, is listed there as the part not state-maintained anymore. Everything else I find on the INDOT website still shows the Marshall County/St. Joseph County stretch of old 31 as U.S. 31 because the relevant info still hasn't been updated yet. Mapsax (talk) 13:25, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

The Goog now has street view photos, including END 931 southbound at the county line and northbound at South Bend city limits. --NE2 19:49, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Mileage for the northern section
How I got to the mileage for the northern section: Using US 31 in RPB for 2015 which is still on the old route. Marshall–St. Joe County line 220.372 IN 4 224.813 South Bend city limits 229.209 So I subtracted 224.813 from 220.372 and got 4.440 and added it to 11.592 (southern section total) for 16.032 (IN 4 intersection). Then subtracted 229.209 from 220.372 and got 8.836 and added it to 11.592 and got 20.428 the SB city limits. This is the best I could think if until RPB is updated. Travisarch (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note to other users: I've put a discussion about this on my talk page here. Mapsax (talk) 14:23, 5 August 2016 (UTC)