Talk:Indigenous Canadian personalities/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Nikkimaria (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC) Hey all, I'll be reviewing this article for possible GA status.

Note: I have not yet reviewed the current lead or "Contributions" section because of concerns detailed below. Once these have been addressed, I will evaluate the accuracy, writing, verifiability and neutrality of those sections.

Writing and formatting

 * As it stands, the lead section reads like the introduction to an essay. It should be rewritten to conform to an encyclopedic tone.


 * For an article of this length, the lead should be 3-4 paragraphs.


 * The Inuit and First Nations sections should have an introductory sentence before jumping straight into detailed descriptions of people


 * "She was born in 1801 near a large lake in Newfoundland, at the time the population of the Beothuk was dwindling" - run-on sentence, "large lake" isn't really relevant
 * ✅SriMesh | talk  21:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * "Politically aboriginal peoples have become leaders in the public forum such as Aatsista-Mahkan." - grammar
 * ✅SriMesh | talk  21:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Should be consistent in referring to him as Aatsista-Mahkan or Running Rabbit
 * ✅SriMesh | talk  21:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * "and would later find conflict in 1873" - awkward phrasing
 * ✅SriMesh | talk  21:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * There are a number of run-on sentences that should be corrected
 * ✅ ...pls double check this!!! Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * In the First Nations section, actors should be one paragraph and musicians another
 * ✅SriMesh | talk  21:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * There are still some problems with grammar and flow - read through carefully to find awkward or confusing passages
 * ✅ ...pls double check this!!! Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The description of Riel should come before Dumont
 * ✅SriMesh | talk  21:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The section listing sources should be titled "Notes" or "References"
 * ✅SriMesh | talk  21:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Accuracy and verifiability

 * For any information that is not NPOV or that might be challenged, the source used should be independent of the person being talked about
 * Ref 2 should list an author
 * ✅SriMesh | talk  21:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ref 3 is not a good site to support such a broad statement
 * This supports the lead which is in the comments above. So this fix should be done when the lead is done - probably at the end of all the fixings.  SriMesh |  talk  21:50, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The link provided for Ref 11 doesn't match the information provided in the citation (also, it would be preferable to cite the article directly if possible)
 * ✅ Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ref 18 seems to be broken (although that might just be my connection, but it's not loading)
 * works for me Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Refs 23 and 24 both go to IMDB, but are formatted differently
 * ✅ using the IMDB formatting template shortcut for all four instances


 * Formatting needs to be consistent per WP:CITE
 * ✅All references use citation templates cite book or cite web or the IMDB or hockeydb template shortcutsSriMesh | talk  21:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ref 28 needs to be sourced to the original All-Music Guide cite
 * ✅ Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What makes homeoftheleafs.com a reliable source?
 * ✅ LOL...replaced with Hockey Hall of fame bio Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ref 38 should credit the Virtual Museum
 * ✅ Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Per this page, the publisher for Ref 40 is not Dartmouth College
 * ✅ Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Refs 79 and 80 are the same
 * ✅ Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Broad

 * As this article is specifically about notable individuals, most of the information on language is irrelevant (that being said, it should probably go in an article...I'm just not sure which one). The second paragraph of the contributions section can stay, but the section should be renamed to something like "Recognition".
 * I was thinking the same...just like you i see nowhere to put it..It is there because i am trying to show as a hole Aboriginal contributions are vast in our every day lives.....But i guess as some point i will have to make an article called Aboriginal culture in Canada.
 * Some of the stuff might fit in List of place names in Canada of Aboriginal origin (or is already there), but for the straight language stuff that wouldn't work. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ok ✅.. have moved a shorter version to main aboriginal page...will be moving it again when i make Aboriginal culture in Canada in due time.


 * Per the above, the "See also" section should also be culled
 * ✅ Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality

 * Must maintain a strict encyclopedic tone in order to remain neutral
 * ✅ Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I would argue that Big Bear was more notable for his association with the Métis than for Belly River
 * Both are mentioned ...in order that they happened. Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Even with a source, saying that a person is a "role model" of "enormous integrity" is a stretch of NPOV
 * ✅ has just been reworded. Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Need to cite that aboriginals in the arts and entertainment venue are famous and popular
 * ✅ - re-worded with a different synonym for notable. Can only say notable so many times.SriMesh | talk  21:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ref 22 does not support the assertion that Cardinal is best known for Corner Gas
 * ✅ re-worded His most recently role is portraying character Davis Quinton on the Canadian television series ''Corner Gas Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The role of Kiviaq in "several important advances" needs to be cited - the only one mentioned here is the name
 * ✅ Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Be careful of using WP:peacock terms
 * ✅ not sure about this one!! Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Claims of notability must come from independent (third-party) sources
 * who ?? Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Be very careful with using the phrase "resistance movement" for Riel's activities - it's a controversial term
 * ✅ using the term rebellion as the Northwest Rebellion is termed the Rebellion.SriMesh | talk  21:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Are there any notable Aboriginal people with negative associations? In order to balance the POV, criticism of individuals (where properly cited) should probably be included. For example, both Dumont and Riel were widely criticized
 * This is a whole chapter in this book (Aboriginal people and colonizers of Western Canada to 1900 By Sarah Carter page 108) documenting French and English tensions, racial and religious debates, American and Canadian influences, and the settlement of the Last Best West to support the railway with communities, and really is too in depth not suitable for a synopsis of this type of article entitled Notable Aboriginal people of Canada. Perhaps mentioning the various aspects of such a debate on Riel or Dumont can be discussed on their pages in depth but not here.  This type of notability is what reverses neutrality and introduces instability and also brings in content which does not conform to NPOV.  I guess the fact that Dumont and Riel were criticised does not have to be gone into detail about here either.  Just stating that Riel was in two rebellions with the Government of Canada necessarily does imply criticism or there would not have been a war.  So therefore, ergo, it is stated - there were two rebellions. IMHO SriMesh |  talk  20:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ I feel that there are both notablities noted (negative and positive) as there are Aboriginal People who were known for their rebellions as well as Aboriginal Peoples noted for their music etc. So there already is content both ways.

Stability
No issues noted

Images

 * Except in the case of credits, the captions should all be in normal-sized print
 * ✅ Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It would be nice to have a balance of pictures in the infobox - 3 for each group. However, I understand that this might not be possible
 * ✅ did our best with fair uses images avalible. Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The picture of Norval Morrisseau does not have a fair-use rationale for this article
 * ✅ replaced Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The source link for the Charles Nolin image is dead
 * ✅ who ...LOL has been removed. Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The image of Wayne Bourque will be deleted this Sunday if permission information is not added
 * ✅, replaced image. Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The source link for the Shanawdithit image is dead
 * ✅ image gone...dame i really liked this one ..just cant find info. Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Corrected image description of "Shanawdithit" to the correct person, Demasduit
 * ✅ image was confused as a portrait of Shanawdithit but is a copy of a painting of Demasduit, her aunt. I could have changed the image to the modern statue of Shanawdithit but wouldn't have been a primary source image of the Beothuk people 30 January 2013

thank you
Ok i will work on all this points one at a time ....will take some time for i have 5 shifts in the Ambulance this week. Dame drunk drivers..well at least its work LOL...So i have no problem if you fail the article. I might take 2 weeks to fix up and i will re-submit it. I am also going to ask some people to help!!....again tks Nikkimaria i love the fact your so good at telling us exactly what is wrong.
 * Okay, in that case I think I will fail it for now, but if you like you can let me know when you're done making changes (I still have to finish my GA nom in the meantime...). Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 20:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)