Talk:Indigenous peoples of Peru

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Matis, and Korubo
Thier wikipedia articles say these tribes live acros the border in Brazil.--J intela (talk) 06:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Citations needed and topics needing development
It would be good to have a citation, or a link to another Wikipedia page, following this statement: "The origins of these indigenous people are still a matter of dispute. The traditional view, which traces them to Siberian migration to America at the end of the last ice age, has been increasingly challenged by South American archaeologists.", as without reference material, this is an empty claim for which there is plenty of academic material to back-up.

The "Uncontacted Indians of Peru" source for the following statement in the "Laws and institutions" section is not a neutral source, and the reference itself only leads to the organization's home page rather than any document or article with tangible information: "The laws made to protect the indigenous people are not always respected by the Peruvian government or the companies, such as Perenco, Repsol YPF, and Petrobras,[10] who seek to explore the natural resources of their land." [11]

In the "Conflicts" section, the reference for these two generalizing statements goes to a dead end. The information itself is not supported by further explanation and would benefit from extrapolation.: "In health care, discrimination against indigenous people exists.[13] Peru has one of the highest maternal death rates of the Americas."[13]

The “After the Spanish conquest” section could use development. Indigenous agency is mentioned but this section presents a very narrow take on the events following conquest without providing links to other pages that might extrapolate on what actually happened.

Also, re the "After the Spanish Conquest" blip: The sentence referring to (paraphrasing) a "massive medical campaign that saved massive numbers of indigenous and mestizo lives",  I suspect is made up of whole cloth out of somebody's imagination. If there is ANY basis for it, it should be carefully documented. Given the state of European medicine in 1500-1600 I can not imagine of what this marvelously effective health campaign that stemmed the effects of the sudden appearance (all at once) of smallpox, typhus, influenza, measles, etc etc could have consisted. I was a Latin American studies major back in the 1960s and 1970s, so way out of date, but I have tried to keep up and the last I read re the health effects of the conquest the thinking was that as much as 90% of the indigenous population was wiped out by disease over the first 100 years. My general suggestion would be to get that idiotic sentence removed.

AIDESEP and MATSES are mentioned in two different places but are both indigenous rights organizations. They could both be part of the "Political organizations" section.

In the "Territories" section, "communal reserves" could be explained, linked to another page, or linked to an explanatory reference.

In the "Territorial right of the communities" subsection, the wording is awkward so that it is not certain whether the laws listed are those that protect or suspend communal land rights.

The "Conflicts" section could use much more information. The information that is there now seems sparse, and the "Territorial rights of the communities" subsection reference is 7 years old. An update on the status of the situation now would be beneficial as it seems to be ongoing. In general, there are many conflicts that have occurred between indigenous peoples and the government in Peru and this section leaves plenty of room for information to be filled in about them. Deitkm (talk) 23:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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Cleaning up the Lead section
I made some minor changes to the lead section so it reads a little better. This includes some re-phrasing and small cuts to sentences that seemed leading or unneeded. I didn't do anything to add to or change the information or how it is presented. Morrailey (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Adding to Political Organizations and Laws and Institutions
I combined a few sections into these two as the sections had become somewhat redundant and disorganized. I added content to both. I tried to weave in existing literature to what I added and flesh it out some. However, I did cut some larger sections of text; one section wrote about legislature that was around a decade outdated, another spoke of political institutions I could find nearly no information on. If I overstepped, please let me know, and if you have suggestions or things to add also please let me know. Morrailey (talk) 17:45, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Indigenous peoples of Peru
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Reference named "census2017": From Peruvians of European descent:  From Indigenous peoples of the Americas:  From 2017 Peru Census:  From Peruvians:  

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Requested move 5 January 2021

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. (t · c)  buidhe  20:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Indigenous peoples of Peru → Native Peruvians – Indigenous peoples of Peru is considered a pejorative term, currently Native Peruvians redirect to Indigenous peoples of Peru Jjrt (talk) 05:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This will require some evidence and a move review. Vpab15 (talk) 14:43, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting proposal. I didn't know "indigenous people" was a pejorative term -- although it is inelegant.  I don't know that "Native Peruvians" is any better -- and is subject to mis-interpretation. To my mind the original inhabitants of the Americas, except for (or maybe including) the Eskimos, should be called "American Indians."  It's simple, straight-forward, and historical -- and not a made-up term such as "Native Americans," "First Nations," and "Indigenous People." So, my preferred title for this article is "American Indians of Peru." But, I don't expect anybody to agree with me on that -- so I will wait to see the evidence before offering an opinion about a title change from "Indigenous People of Peru" to "Native Peruvians." Smallchief (talk) 17:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello Smallchief. First of all, American Indians would not represent properly to original inhabitants of America, because de term Indian means belonging to or relating to India or its people, definitely in that way it is offensive, in Peru it is racist to call any person born here an Indian. Secondly, in Peru between indigenous and native, with its corresponding translated word in Spanish native is more neutral without any negative historical connotations, for example, my grandmother is a Quechua native speaker, she is Peruvian and no more. I could not call her for any reason indigenous, but in special rare cases, I might refer to her as a native Peruvian.Jjrt (talk) 23:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Jjrt. I won't argue your point -- except to say that misnomers (East Indies, West Indies, American Indians, etc.) are common and become accepted over time. I think it will be a decade or two before we find our way back to calling the first people resident in the Americas by their historical name -- American Indians -- and get rid of all these circumlocutions.Smallchief (talk)
 * Dear Smallchief, I respect anyone's points of view even if I consider they are wrong. Nevertheless, I affirm that most Americans (whole continent) wouldn't accept that anyone calls us a sort of Indian, because we aren't. Regarding Peru, Europeans and their descendants in Peru referred to us in that way for 400 years or so on, but our former president Juan Velasco Alvarado banned the term Indian by the law 17716 in 1969. Moreover, before the Spanish came to what is called now Peru, we were: - Inca for 330 years - Chimue for 500 years - Chachapoya for 500 years - Collas for 300 years - Tiwanaku for 2700 years - Wari for 600 years - Moche for 600 years - Nazca for 900 years - Chavin for 700 years - Caral for 1900 years Having said that, ¿Someone could you argue consistently that Peruvians could be American Indians? Jjrt (talk) 04:39, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose "Native" is not the most common  term used in English. Would like to point out that  in   Peruvian  legislation from the mid 1800s “un-civilized  natives”  was the discriminatory text used.-- Moxy 🍁 05:38, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course, the term un-civilized is offensive with any word. Peruvians are spanish speakers, in that way, I pointed out that I'm using the proper corresponding translated word.Jjrt (talk) 05:50, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You need a collective name for the original inhabitants of the American continents. There are Europeans and Asians and Africans, etc. I believe that American Indian is the best collective noun for those original inhabitants of the Americas. "Native Americans" is confusing and inaccurate (Example: Is an American Indian born in Europe a "Native American? Is a Quechua speaker born in Asia a "Native Peruvian?") Likewise, the word "indigenous" is disagreeable to me, as it implies "uncivilized." and also inaccurate. (If I were to call an Irishman an "indigenous person" I doubt that he would be pleased.) I'll lay down the marker here that "American Indian" is the only term with historical relevance and inclusive enough to refer unequivocally to the original people of the Americas and their descendants -- and depart this interesting discussion.Smallchief (talk) 11:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose, current title is more clear, "indigenous" is the term currently used by most Wikipedia articles. Terminology can swiftly change, in which case Wikipedia usually just follows what's most commonly used, but evidence hasn't been presented for that. (The Spanish Wikipedia uses "pueblos indígenas".) – Thjarkur (talk) 19:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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