Talk:Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501

"Side stick control issue"
The article says this (my emphasis): "Because the captain was also pushing the stick forward and because Airbus has a dual-input system, the two stick inputs cancelled each other out, which led to the plane remaining in a stall condition until the end of the black box recording." It goes on to refer to Air France Flight 447. Where is the source to support "two stick inputs cancelling each other out"? In the AF Flight 447 it's obvious that the issue was one where the co-pilot's input over-rode the captain's input in a first come, first served arrangement. What was happening here? Is this a different (selectable?) mode of dual stick input? What did the final accident report say on the matter? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 6 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) JC7V -talk  02:41, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501 → AirAsia Flight 8501 – Per naming conventions, we should use airline name here. "Indonesia AirAsia" is an affiliate, "AirAsia" is an airline. Hddty. (talk) 00:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Nominator blurs "affiliated" with "affiliate".  The airline was "Indonesia AirAsia", at it was independent of "AirAsia" ("AirAsia Berhad"), being only 49% owned.  One is Indonesian, the other Malaysian, so there is a big nationality and language difference.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:42, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose Indonesia AirAsia is a separate legal entity with its own AOC so it would be misleading to rename to another airline. MilborneOne (talk) 16:47, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose IAA is different than just AA. It has its own legal entity as stated by Milborne. AmericanAir88(talk) 04:18, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


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CFIT
Would this be cfit as the crew had control of the plane when it impacted the ocean?

OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 11:54, 12 December 2018 (UTC)


 * No as they didnt have control if you read the article. MilborneOne (talk) 14:56, 12 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I can't see how a fully developed stall could ever be described as 'controlled flight' on an A320. Had they been flying a Sukhoi Su-26 or something, then maybe. --Deeday-UK (talk) 13:04, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Good point there, thanks for the info!!!

OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 22:15, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

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No. of pax/crew
AirAsia's website gives pax+crew as 155+7. KNKT final report says 156+6. Which do we go with? 86.4.163.59 (talk) 15:12, 4 September 2021 (UTC)