Talk:Industrial rock

Moving sections
I'm thinking of moving the "Mainstream Breakthrough" and "Wavering Popularity" sections to the Industrial metal article. Later, I'll write another section to replace those two. Opinions?

Musicaindustrial (talk) 11:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I just moved the "mainstream breakthrough" section, for you. Makes more sense now. Aryder779 (talk) 19:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

NIN + Marilyn Manson
I think a slippery question here is how we can more fully address Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson. I mean, I think they're clearly industrial rock, and maybe have some industrial metal tracks, but calling NIN industrial metal seems kind of weird to me as I think they have very few metal influences. They were both nominated for Grammys in the metal category, which I guess makes them metal, but I really think both bands owe more to noise rock than they do to any metal bands as such. Though I guess they were both friends with Pantera. Aryder779 (talk) 21:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought about this for awhile, and it seems best to me to use the "industrial rock" page to discuss Big Black, Swans, Chrome, Killing Joke, and other pre-1988 groups; and industrial metal for Ministry, Godflesh, NIN, etc. This seems to be the direction things are moving, anyway. I felt a little strange considering an album like Pretty Hate Machine to be "metal", but I suppose that we're using a very broad definition of metal. NIN and Marilyn Manson are definitely indebted to Jane's Addiction, who are considered alternative metal, so I guess that makes sense. Aryder779 (talk) 19:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In other words yet more original research. Ridernyc (talk) 09:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats very constructive... Musicaindustrial (talk) 17:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Both this page and the NIN page look retarded because the NIN page links here and refuses to link to industrial metal and this page refuses to act as if NIN exists in any context other than industrial metal. Something should be said here to the extent that NIN - as well as like bands - may consider themselves to be industrial rock, even if Wikipedia has decided in its infinite wisdom that such is not so. -  Agent S even  04:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Criticism?
"Industrial metal's new-found popularity led to some criticism from other artists associated with the industrial scene." This is a bit unclear. As far as I know, criticism came from those who didn't like the fact that people and journalists kept calling this new kind of music "industrial", as industrial metal  and industrial music  (the original term) really have next to nothing in common. It's also worth to mention that Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails *himself* resented the idea of people calling his music "industrial". 109.58.124.160 (talk) 14:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Starting point
I think this genre's starting point is the song Wardance, released on Killing Joke's self-titled album in Oct.80. It has guitar, bass, drums, distorted vocals and a noise background. One could argue that Cabaret Voltaire's Nag Nag Nag is sounding like industrial rock, but I think it's all made on synths, and thereby disqualified.

Bjarnulf, Oslo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.213.30.97 (talk) 13:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Cultural origins not current
Industrial rock did not start in the late 80s it began in the late 70s with throbbing gristle. It is not accurate to late 80s 67.175.194.26 (talk) 21:22, 24 August 2022 (UTC)