Talk:Infected Mushroom/Archive 1

Needs Archiving?
Many of the comments on here are old...like REALLY old, at least in terms of wikipedia. I think we need to archive this version of the talk so we can make way for new Discussion. The comments about whether the live/for the future part should be in the new version. Aizen/Eisen name dispute, and also the comment about Criticism for 'Vicious Delicious' should be in the new talk. Many of the arguments and discussion on this page have been settled or properly added into the main article. -NekoD 00:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Done :) Dementia13 (talk) 00:08, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Mtv
I'm a tad confused by the naming of Mtv as a known mislabeled track. I understand that this happens a fair bit (see Artificial Visualisation) but Mtv is definitely a track on Infected's "Outdoor Party Vol. 3" CD.

Is it possible this mislabel is in fact, not one? Or is the Outdoor Party album a fake? -Lichtonatus 20:26, 18 September 2008

Criticism
"However the album was seen as a break away from the more traditional styles of the previous albums and was shunned by many psytrance purists who felt that the new territories explored went beyond the bounds of psytrance but not necessarily in a progressive sense." After reading this in the article, I feel that there's some things that need to be set straight. Infected Mushroom was shunned by quite a few "psytrance purists" already after the first album due to their use of fluffy melodies. On a personal note I might add that it's utterly beyond my somewhat limited understanding how some people (despite IM's stated anti-drug stance) can get off on their music while under the influence of hallucinogens. Listening to Infected Mushroom while straight is bad enough as it is. If I were forced to listen to Infected Mushroom while tripped out, I'd probably go down with a seriously bad case of full-blown psychedelic crisis heeb-jeebs. Infected Mushroom remains the "psytrance" of choice for the people who can't handle the real deal, those who wimp out when the going gets mindboggling. IM is simply the lowest common denominator of the genre. I'm not interested in starting a flame war, but merely want to state the opinion held by many a good, hardcore psytrance aficionado. --Twisturbed Tachyon 17:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The points you raise are interesting ones, however I doubt many people would share your views on Infected Mushroom being the lowest common denominator of Psytrance. I myself am a very big Psytrance fan, and I believe that Infected Mushroom took the already complex psytrance genre a step further and added to it's complexity. I believe your statement above s very personal, and I believe most Psytrance officionados as you put it look at Infected Mushroom as a different twist (whether their personal opinion of the music is good or bad) to Psytrance music, hence the relevance of the article. (SMG 20:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC))

When I wrote "hardcore psytrance aficionado", I ment it. If you move in circles where people trip hard and are into crazy, Finnish stuff à la Texas Faggott, or some of the hard stuff that's comming out of Russia these days, or indeed any of the really hardcore psy that's thankfully out there, you will find that Infected Mushroom is held widely in contempt. The majority of people who go to mainstream psy-parties (or clubs), and are mostly into non-psychedelic drugs, will most likely agree with you. I guess it's a matter of coolness. The more you've gotten with it, the more you dislike fakes and sell-outs like IM and their cheasy, fluffy and very linear way of making music. The less you can stomach the truly psychedelic sounds, the more you're into that weak shit. IM is widely popular because some of the people who're into regular trance and dance compilations don't think they're "too far out" and dig their fluffy style because it's not all that different from the crap they usually listen to. The combination of popularity and low quality, from my POV, make them the lowest common denominator. And I'm certainly not the only one who view things this way, even though I'm the only one expressing it here. There's a whole breed of freaks out there who share these views, but they're outnumbered by the mainstream people. --Twisturbed Tachyon 12:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

My two cents: I love good psychedelic trance, but I feel that the genre is infested with uncreative, formulaic, tepid music. Infected Mushroom have brought much-needed creativity and complexity to the genre. Infected Mushroom's style and high production quality have provided inspiration for many people, myself included. Perhaps it's not "pure" psytrance, but I have wide variety of musical tastes, and I think genre-bending is necessary. I'm also not one to dismiss music for being mainstream. Good music is good music; it just so happens that most mainstream music sucks. For a community of supposedly open-minded people, the psytrance underground is disturbingly closed-minded. -MescalineBanana 19:53, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

In the midst of writing a lengthy response (among other things, about Suomisaundi-style psytrance complexity vs. Infected Mushroom "complexity"), my inner wisdom voice proclaimed: "Snap out of it. This will go on and on if you keep responding. You've already made your point and it came out all trippier-than-thou. You should apologize to SMG for being patronizing". My inner wisdom voice tends to be somewhat of a bad hippie parody, and I'll only follow the advice about snapping out of it. I've had my say and I'm outta here. Bom Shankar, --Twisturbed Tachyon 17:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I think most people has no problem with the complexity of IM, but with using "catchy" pop-melodies, and stuffs like that. Also I remember when that vocoded vocal was popular in those italy-dance tracks. (aka Eiffel 65, etc.) So there's much pop-elements, and that attracts thoose "trendy types", who are hated by 99% of the "goa sceners". Another reason can be "goa-heads" don't really like the IM style psytrance, so I can imagine, it can be disturbing, when someone identifies the music what you listens, with some other stuff you hate. It's like saying Scooter is techno. (but at least IM is still psytrance) For me, I haven't got so much problem with IM just prefer other stuffs more. Okay, my point is simply that, critism should be mentoined in this article, since it's a fact, that a lot of people who are in the psytrance-scene, are don't like this kind music. (That goes for the likes of Skazi too, especially his for his pop music remixes...)--TaZaR 18:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I think arguing over how Pure of a PsyTrance group Infected Mushroom is based on how it would be to do Psychedelics while listening to the music is very pointless. Everyone acts differently and responds differently while on Psychoactives, just because you could not handle it doesn't mean others can. I for one have gone and done many different Psychoactives and listened to Infected Mushroom at the same time and had very very enjoyable experiences. Also I don't see how you can say that Infected Mushroom is not real Psy and to fluffy and light but if you were on a Hallucinogenic it would make you break down in a psychedelic break down or whatnot and thus people who listing to infected mushroom or taking the easy way out. You are full of many contradictions. --NekoD 07:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Who cares about music genres except people who feel a tribal need to pigeonhole other types of music as inferior to their own? I have listened to tons of psy-trance from a friend's collection and none of it appeals to me in the same way that Infected Mushroom does.  I think what makes them personally interesting to me is the range of music styles they clearly derive inspiration from.  If you want cool music to drop acid to, I'm sure there's plenty of dull psytrance that'll work for you.  If you want 45 minute long unchanging dance music, there's Oakenfold.  Infected Mushroom produces complex and interesting music that can be appreciated just like any other music I listen to.  Obviously, Twisturbed has a different criteria of what makes good music than Infected Mushroom's large fan base, and how does what hardcore psytrance afficianados think matter at all to anyone but themselves?  I've always felt that Infected Mushroom's style was most heavily influenced by the demoscene tracking style which tends to be heavily melodic, widely varied in influences, and an inventive/meticulous approach to sequencing (due to the very tedious nature of trackers software used by the demoscene, and the Impulse Tracker software Amit and Erez started with).  I was not too surprised to learn that Amit and Erez originally were inspired to create electronic music by listening to the work of demoscene trackers and became active in the Isreali demoscene where they met each other. -- Rabit 18:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Pardon my ignorance, for I did not read all of the above comments - just got a general glimpse of what people had to say. First of all - I want to comment on the critisizm of IM's latest album "Vicious Delicious". People forget that psytrance sprang up as a form of evolution of psychedellic music. It is so stereotypical of society to quickly dismiss something new, even if it is a new aspect of their own "new" music. If Infected Mushroom released its album - it probably means that they feel that it has something to offer to our community. Now, in my humble opinion, I think that as listeners of music, out job is to try to understand music instead of conforming it and comparing it against our established perception of a certain genre. Now changing the subject a little; I believe (based on personal experience) that being under the influence of a psychadelic expands our ability to perceive the true nature of this psychadelic band. Just because we do not understand something - doesn't mean it's bad. --- June, 2007 - Relo@d

Here Here --76.182.154.90 08:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Removed comment regarding reception of Vicious Delicious, unsourced opinion not suitable for encyclopedia 60.234.142.82 09:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Copyright violation?
I believe the image may be copyright. DJ Clayworth 17:04, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Redirect loop
Something need's to be done about the redirect loop for the members. This is against Wikipedia Policy.

I removed the links since they don't do anything. Unless someone wants to write those pages, they should probably go into Votes for Deletion. --STGM 11:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

History
In this section it says:

"Recently, Infected Mushroom have moved from their base in Tel Aviv to a new studio in Los Angeles, California which they are using as the base in which to produce their new album after completing their extensive world tour (one which ran non-stop since 1999)."

How recently is recently? What month? what year? Anyone know what the title of the new album will be? Anyone know when the new album will be released? When did the world tour finish? As far as I can tell from the IM website it's still going on. --81.103.59.157 14:55, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry but Infected is more Goa pop

Should this be in?
Someone dropped the following parts of the article:

Live

''Infected Mushroom are respected worldwide for their professional and euphoric live performances. The duo have been performing live for years in ways that many other electronic based groups would find difficult.''

''The main part of their live performances is the track set, usually pre mixed in Cubase on a laptop. Duvdev constantly adjusts levels and triggers live effects. He also does live vocals for many of the tracks. Erez takes the lead role in these concerts and performs complex melodies and arpeggios over the tracks with several different synthesisers, including a Clavia Nord Lead and a Novation BassStation. This infuses a very live and improptu feel to the concerts, which attract thousands of fans. The recent addition of an on stage guitarist, Erez Netz, has added to the live experience.''

''Infected Mushroom's live performances are often credited to as the key to bringing Psytrance to the mainstream, and have recently performed alongside more commercial Trance acts like Tiesto. This success in the live field may well be becuause of Infected Mushroom's successful shedding of the drug scene that often surrounds Psytrance shows with controversy. Erez himself is completely anti drugs, and both him and Duvdev promote that good times can be had without drugs when at an Infected Party (Concerts are often referred to as 'parties').''

Infected Mushroom are a mature and professional headlining act, and this is one of the crucial factors that have amounted to the band's success.

The Future

Many assumptions have been made as to the future of Infected Mushroom's sound and, to a greater extent, the whole philosophy they express with their music.

''Just before the release of "IM The Supervisor", rumours spread that Infected no longer had an interest for Psychedelic Trance and wanted to pursue a different musical path. This was escalated by an online interview in which Duvdev said that the next album would not be a trance album, where he was quickly contradicted by Erez who tried to inject mystery back in to the band's future by saying 'We don't know what the next album will be like'.''

''When IM The Supervisor was released, many were relieved and some surprised to hear that it was a full-on Psytrance album, amid all the rumours it wouldn't be. This album went on to be one of their most successful sales yet.''

''The future of Infected Mushroom again looks uncertain. Their moving to Los Angeles was seen to many as a sign that they were less interested in the undeground Israeli Psy scene, and that they wished to pursue a more commercial and pop-influenced sound. This was yet again pushed back as they introduced many full-on Psytrance tracks into their live sets, albeit with a far more accessible and commercial tint.''

The new album, expected next year, is already hyped as their best work to date (they even admit themseves that many of the newer tracks are the most complex they have made so far), and recently the band have mentioned an appearance by a well known American artist on the new record.

Infected Mushroom's future will always be surrounded by mystique and uncertainty, and their constantly evolving style is their calling card and is what makes them one of the most successful Psychedelic acts to date.

Maybe it shouldn't be in, as it is a bit too subjective. --advance512 18:28, 29 January 2006 (GMT+2)

Aizen, not Eisen?
Which one is it?

I believe it's Aizen, because that's what Discogs and The Mushie website Says.

The Ronin 02:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's Eisen. Eisen is German for "iron" and is a common Jewish name. Since most Israelis do not know how to spell in German, they romanize their name using English standard spelling, and Eisen accidentally became Aizen. I see many times people whose last name is Schwarz spell their name in the Latin alphabet as Shvartz, which is utterly incorrect. The same goes for Eisen. Etams 20:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

bias
this article has obviously been edited in a biased way in its introduction. I don't know the facts, but someone who does should sort it.

Picture
That is an absolutely horrible picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.202.89.125 (talk) 16:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Music
What about "Waves of Sound" or "Surfing on the waves of sound"? Is this an Infected song?

Duo?
They're really not a duo anymore. Some of the songs on "Black Shawarma" were recorded with the whole group in the studio, including drums and rhythm/lead guitar. However, they are not quite a band so I don't want to change the first sentence to that. But the "duo" label is definitely outdated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.105.45 (talk) 00:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Was wondering this myself. The support crew almost seems to be a fully fledged part of IM now. Promo photos feature all of them, so does anybody know for certain whether it's still a duo or entire group now? The Cake is a Lie  T /  C 17:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have removed any reference to a duo in the Lead section, as it contradicts the Infobox. Instead, I have referred to founding members.--Soulparadox 16:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

2012 album?
I don't see any reference to their next studio album (the 8th one) in the article, other than the first single from it being included in their discography (Pink Nightmares). The bio on their website states that:

- http://www.infected-mushroom.com/bio.php

SMcMorgan (talk) 17:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)