Talk:Information appliance

Larry Ellison video
I personally have the video where Larry Ellison mentions Information Appliance.Jondel 10:05, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Focusing the article
This article seems to be all over the place, and links to a bunch of stuff that's distantly related (Compact HTML). It's hard to make an article about something as vaguely defined as "information appliance," but I'm sure we can all agree on the basics and get rid of the POV stuff (Walled Gardens section) and other extraneous bits. --Foofy 14:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it is time to organize what those basics are then agree on them. Vide sub.

Further, Raskin was the man who coined the term "information appliance" so I feel it's best to use his definition, which is just a device that handles (processes) a particular type of data. "Internet appliance" adds the concept of connectivity, and was not a part of Raskin's definition. So the connectivity requirements and the "Walled Garden" section are better suited for that article. --Foofy 15:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Does it have to be only 'internet' connectivity?--Jondel 07:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Ideal World
An ideal world is a subjective concept and the use of this term detracts from the objectivity of the article.


 * I think it was written trying to represent Raskin's mindset or idea when he created the term(?) Anyway, without the metaphor, the term information appliance might become too vague or abstract.  Let information appliance fall under smart device, internet appliance, etc(?) --Jondel 05:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, Raskin's definition never involved "connectivity" so that's why I proposed moving that to internet appliance, though almost everybody uses the terms interchangeably. I suppose nobody would notice if we merged both articles into one, but I think it's probably best just to make a note about current usage of the term and then talk about it's original definition. --Foofy 19:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Uh connectivity doesn't have to be limited to the internet. Some cell phones intentionally don't have internet. --Jondel 04:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the section is relevant, since there is a growing perception that information devices must connect and be seamless and not only by internet but by wifi, bluetoot, wimax, etc. I'm going to revert.--Jondel 02:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

As I've asked: do we cover the original definition or whatever vague definition people use now? I think we can cover both and link to the appropriate term (internet appliance).


 * Big companies seem to have descriptions of information appliances like Fujitsu and IBM. If it needs more reasearch according to what these companies define, then so be it. Information Appliances should be a superset of internet appliances since not all connectivity is tcp-ip/http protocol. e.g. phones without internet, or i-pod. I guess I have to research deeper . But if you googl e it, there are a lot of definitions and usages. I will try to determine the common denominator. Can't really rely on vague definitions used by people.--Jondel 06:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've done some looking as well, and it's usually used synonymous with "internet appliance." I'm positive the term originated from Raskin, and his definition was pretty simple... in fact so simple that it could mean just about anything.  --Foofy 07:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Further, Walled Gardens is a bit POV and out of place to begin with. --Foofy 05:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Can I ask what part is POV? It is a bit naive to think companies aren't out to dominate or monopolize, specially through a strategy of Walled Gardens. Besides it is happening. I have PDA with Windows CE. I 'm forced to buy CE compatible software and not linux or Symbian OS or Blackberry compatible products. I want to use a usb keyboard but an issue is, is it Windows CE compatible. --Jondel 06:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * POV was the wrong word. Indeed, I'm not very articulate this late, sorry if my post seemed harsh.  Mostly I meant the article was out of place here.  The excerpt implies that all walled gardens are harmful (some were good, like that French computing one that predated the internet).  The argument applies to other computers and platforms, but it's not included there, which makes it seem like it's exclusive to information appliances.
 * Hopefully that makes some sense! Sorry, I'm tired!  :) --Foofy 07:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Get some rest and lets put more focus into the article when your ready. Someone else might see your point and its best to fix it now. Wall gardens seem to be applicable to everything. Like a company dominating bycicle parts, car parts,etc. But are more for computers and platforms. I will try to put more definite crystal clear definitions. well, I've put a lot of effort into this article despite that I have to accept others may mercillesly edit this article.

Proposed characteristics
(For research and confirmation)--Jondel 06:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Has a touch-screen or interface buttons
 * Connectivity, not necessarily by internet.


 * Has a Computer platform
 * Information processing capability (Encarta definition ,includes network connectabiliyt)

Nominate for deletion, not notable
Can I nominate this term for deletion as not notable? Mathiastck (talk) 00:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)