Talk:Instant noodles/Archive 1

Cooking Time
So I tested out the following statement: "If placed in hot water (such as from an office coffeemaker), 3 minutes in a microwave oven will cook them properly." It actually worked perfectly. Kudos, Wikipedia!

I have found if you microwave it for 3 minutes, stir it, 1 minute, and then 2 more it gets them nice and soft. also It makes them absorb the water, wich adds gooey, delicious cooked- in flavor.

International
There is a picture of a Taiwanese noodle, is there going to be a section about it in the international section? 219.89.192.3 00:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Where is the link to the poll? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.5.247.23 (talk • contribs)

Largest consumer of instant noodles
"China is the world's second largest consumer of ramen (Japan being the first)". This statement contradicts the sourced opening paragraph, and I feel it should be removed unless there is an alternative source, in which case both should be reworded. The bit about the North Korean train station explosion should be sourced & reworded too if there's any relevance...Phonemonkey 22:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

China section
Also, I'm pretty sure in Chinese, the word instant noodles is directly translated, and lai mein means the traditional kind of ramen, not the instant type. I've never heard a reference to "ramen" when the speaker has meant "instant noodles" before.

Kelvie 13:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Page move
Shouldn't it be "Instant Noodles?" The food is always eaten in the plural.
 * Agreed. However, the title of the noodles article is also singular, and we should have some kind of consistency here. &mdash;Goh wz 07:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Than they should both be changed to the plural form. the singular form just doesn't make sense.  It would be like saying "pant" instead of "pants", or "glass" instead of "glasses". - Baribeau 21:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then can someone do it? I would if I knew how. Twilight Realm 00:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that this article probably should be called "Instant noodles", but comparing "noodle" with "pants" or "glasses" is a false analogy. The singular form "noodle" is perfectly grammatical -- it's fine to say "I ate one noodle", whereas it's ungrammatical to say "I bought one pant" or "I wore one glass". WillNL 18:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Grammar
This article has pathetic grammar in parts. I fixed a little, but I'm really busy right now. The Russia section, before I fixed it, read: "Inspite of the wide availability of the instant noodles, it is very common disbelief in Russia that instant noodles is the food for poor people. Second disbelief is that instant noodles species have 'chemical' harmful components."

Also, I know that there's already a tag, but I still have to say it: this article's lack of citations is pathetic. Two? I'd be willing to bet that a large portion of this article is just made up. Twilight Realm 00:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

blimey
No lie? the Nissin Cup Noodles (and their 1/3-the-price packeted King Noodle siblings) that I bought from Lidl simply because they were the cheapest lunch going and cooked in a removable-element travel kettle whilst a cash-strapped student (in UK - add something about their sale in this country?) are actually the Original Deal, the first of their kind? Hats off Nissin... I'd wager many a degree has been earnt thanks to your help (and that of their 'double the caffiene' rocket coffee), instead of being tossed aside for lack of funds combined with too much pride to eat dandelion leaves from the park and other people's discarded sandwiches. Can't beat those that are mined from the Welsh hills of Crumlin for flavour, but by 'eck are they more versatile and cost effective. --tahrey, 19/1/07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.46.180.56 (talk) 00:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Australia
Maggi 2 minute noodles have not been seen on most supermarket shelves for about 4 years now... how could they possibly be the most common? so i fixed that section up a bit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mitchells00 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC).


 * What? Maggi Noodles are still on shelves, certainly here in SA. Speaking about Woolies, but Maggi 2 Min noodles come in single 5 and ten packs in most stores, though the Mi Goering tends to only be in stores that have an asian section... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.45.163.49 (talk) 01:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

Canada
"While in western Canada they are commonly referred to as kimchi after the Nong Shim variety of noodles." Really? I'm in Calgary and I've never heard anyone call it that. Here I hear them called mostly "Ichiban" and sometimes "instant noodles".
 * I concur, I've lived in British Columbia and Alberta and have only heard these products refered to as Ichiban and instant noodles. RichMac (Talk) 23:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is an instant noodle bowl out there that is kimchi-flavored and maybe that's what they're referring to. I myself have never called or heard of them being called 'kimchi' before.  Perhaps it should be removed?--Evey35 18:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

top ramen
Top ramen is the proper name. Instant noodles is a variation that occurs accordion to brand I'm going to move the article if anyone wants to move it back feel free to do so, but please give a reasoning on the talk page.Randy6767 03:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand why this should be called Top Ramen. It is the destination page for instant noodle, which includes ramen, but all noodles are not ramen. Isn't Top Ramen a specific brand of ramen style instant noodles? ZPS102 18:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

All the noodles discussed in this article are top ramen. Randy6767 17:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * ... uh, wow. Top Ramen is a brand name, not the actual name of the product. Use of "Top Ramen" instead of "instant noodles" is like using "Coke" instead of "cola". The article should be instant noodles. --Guess Who 06:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Guess Who is exactly correct! XD "Top Ramen" is the name of the Nissin-packaged instant Ramen, not the proper name of "Instant Noodles" as a whole. And no, the article does seem to discuss a majority of instant Ramen but not specifically only "Top Ramen" Aoikumo 08:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Health?
Isn't it unhealthy to eat ramen straight from the bag? --66.214.92.60 20:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * lol, yeah. There's a lot of perservatives, salts and other unhealthy stuff. it's like a junk food. Growing up, teachers use to tell us not to eat it like that all the time, but, as young kids, we didn't listen and did it quite frequently anyway lol.Aoikumo 02:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Those preservatives are still there after you cook it. It's no different eating it right out of the bag. --64.149.39.108 05:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A hell of a lot less sodium though due to the lack of the seasoning packet.... btw, who here eats it raw. I thought I was the only one :D Dregor 06:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

United States
Why is there a picture of Lipton Cup-A-Soup under this heading? Other than the 'Instant-ness' of both, I don't see the connection.--Evey35 19:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Frying is not raw
According to the article, most ramen is edible straight from the package, by frying it. So I'm not sure if you fry it or eat it raw, because I don't know which part of the sentence to put money on. 136.176.8.16 20:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

International section
This section is interesting, but it seems the majority of it is horribly un-cited. Frankly, living in a few of these places at times I've never ever heard of some of the claims made. Perhaps, unless it's cited, it should be removed? tyx 18:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC) -- I don't know Wikipedia talk-page protocol, or where to put this question, but my simplest and very basic question is merely, how many calories per typical pack of Instant Noodles as available in USA?

I'd also be interested in health concerns regarding nasty forms of cholestero --JS

-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.115.3 (talk) 06:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello JS Just a friendly reminder to all (I know I'm a little late) that the Energy section (Energy 450kcal) tells you the calories. Also consider a website like caloriecount.com, they may have more of what your looking for (they are not verified or trusted by wikipedia however.) 74.220.70.232 (talk) 12:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Instant noodle is the accepted singular term
Examples of usage from books:
 * China Market Report
 * Codex Alimentarius: Cereals, Pulses, Legumes and Vegetable Proteins
 * Cereals Processing Technology
 * Phosphorus Acids—Advances in Research and Application
 * Get a Name!: 10 Rules to Create A Great Brand Name
 * Wheat and Wheat Quality in Australia
 * Noncarboxylic Acids—Advances in Research and Application
 * Cassava Research and Development in Asia
 * Handbook of Food Science

Examples from websites
 * foodnavigator-asia.com
 * theramenrater.com
 * fatsecret.com
 * dutycalculator.com

Examples from brands
 * Shin-Cup-Spicy-Instant-Noodle
 * alibaba.com
 * Pot Noodle

Examples from media
 * themalaymailonline.com
 * China Times

While the plural is common, it is a plural form rather than the only form. Per WP:SINGULAR, we prefer singular use (as in Noodle) unless the plural is the only accepted use (as in trousers.[)]  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  14:20, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, you may be right but you don't really know what you're talking about. Leaving aside that the actual guideline is WP:PLURAL (which has a prominent mention of WP:IAR), it is trumped by the much more important USE ENGLISH COMMONNAMES. That, far and away, is the plural 'instant noodles'. (Yes, you can find sources of the singular use but you don't seem to have read them: just going through the first four above, one is partially Chinglish and includes the correct plural form, one uses the plural form, one doesn't load, and only the fourth supports your point.)


 * This is not a horse/horses issue and "instant noodle" is not the "accepted singular" of the food people eat. In English, "instant noodle" and "instant noodles" refer to separate concepts: the first is a single strand or the foodstuff as a substance and the later is what one actually eats a meal of. It is the second which is the common usage in English, and that is where this page should be. The absurd awkwardness of the phrasing is what prompted your defensive post in the first place.


 * Now, we shouldn't bother moving this page unless/until noodle does get similar treatment (WP:LOCALCONSENSUS). BUT we need to phrase all singular references to 'instant noodle' or 'Instant Noodle' as a discussion about the singular strand or foodstuff and not the food: "an instant noodle is typically 600 millifathoms (8 × 1040 megaquarks) in length"; "instant noodle blocks can make excellent bookends"; "bowls of instant noodles are usually prepared with a fresh egg throughout most of East Asia"; etc. — Llywelyn II   06:19, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Merger Proposal
I propose that Gong_Zai_Mian be merged into Instant_noodle. The content in Gong_Zai_Mian article adds a limited amount to what is already explained in the context of Instant_noodle. 101.164.16.5 (talk) 05:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Talk:Gong Zai Mian. No need to post it twice; you can choose to which talkpage the merge template points to. --Cold Season (talk) 04:20, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

NPOV: Sodium
The article comments on the sodium level of instant noodle by comparing the established RDA for sodium of 1500 mg with the 2700 mg sodium content of a 100g edible portion of instant noodle. However, the RDA is a minimum quantity, not a maximum, and the tolerable upper limit for sodium has been established at 2300 mg, while the typical packaged serving of instant noodle ranges from 40 to 64 g and contains 600 mg to 1200 mg sodium. Thus, the article suggests a risk of excessive sodium intake in consuming instant noodle by comparing the established minimum intake of sodium with a quantity of instant noodle that is 2 to 2.5 times larger than the typical serving, indicating a bias against sodium intake, instant noodle, or both.97.91.254.54 (talk) 07:10, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Vegetarian?
I'm not the person who marked the "most brands aren't" statement dubious, but I am kind of curious here since about the only way to verify this is to either find a publication that confirms this (I've had no luck with Google) or comb through ingredients lists and cite those, however that may count as original research despite being in some ways more reliable. Splitting the difference might work, if somebody could find an article that not only covers this but provides directions to the official ingredients lists so people can check in case a company decided to change the formulation. Werhdnt (talk) 15:59, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

more health concerns?
Is this a legit article to add to the health section? www.realfarmacy.com/scientists-reveal-ramen-noodles-cause-heart-disease-stroke-metabolic-syndrome/ Ramen Noodles cause heart disease

I say no. The actual study that that article links to states that The consumption of instant noodles ≥2 times/wk was associated with a higher prevalence of metabolic syndrome (OR: 1.68; 95% CI: 1.10, 2.55) in women but not in men (OR: 0.93; 95% CI: 0.58, 1.49; P-interaction = 0.04). Additionally, they were measuring regular diet vs fast food diet. The latter may include noodles, but it also includes crap like soda and burgers. 49.144.236.171 (talk) 06:12, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No. It is a crank website. Guy (Help!) 22:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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Instant noodles used as currency in US prisons
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/23/health/ramen-prison-study-trnd/ Instant noodles is used as currency in US prisons. 104.34.246.89 (talk) 10:50, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Another link from Vox about ramen in US prisons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLt9fRYT92M (Why ramen is so valuable in prison) 141.226.12.197 (talk) 15:33, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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Doshirak vs Dosirak in Russia
So, my remark '02:03, 17 September 2017‎ 91.105.176.26' was cancelled because of 'unlikely', I want to contribute more:

http://library.nlu.edu.ua/POLN_TEXT/SBORNIKI_2010/Formirov_prof_kult_2.pdf has next text:

"Кстати, сказать,  подсознательное  желание  подставить  тот  или  иной стереотипный звук обусловливает мысленную фонетическую «подгонку» незнакомого названия товара к привычному для языка смыслу. Это может обернуться трагедией для копирайтера. Именно в связи с подобной смысловой и фонетической адаптацией заменили в рекламных текстах название лапши "Досирак" (переименовано в "Доширак") и название корма для собак "Педдигрипал", вызывавшие явные негативные ассоциации."

Now we'll just convert it to english in google translate:

"By the way, to say, the subconscious desire to substitute this or that stereotyped sound causes the phonetic "fitting" of the unfamiliar name of the goods to the sense familiar to the language. It may turn into a tragedy for the copywriter. It was in connection with such a semantic and phonetic adaptation that the name of the noodle "Dosyrak" (renamed "Doshyrak") and the name of the dog food "Peddigripal", which caused obvious negative associations, were replaced in the advertising texts."

Well, but what are these associations with "dosirak-досирак"? Russian articles don't contain semantic analysis, because 'it's obvious', so, from this point I will do it myself: Let's examine word 'срать (to defecate)' (now you just copy russian words I give to google translate to check correctness). Let's convert it to another form 'досирать'. How can we do it?

Let's take very similar word 'брать (to take)' and add prefix 'до-' to it and we'll get 'добирать' - note of letter 'и' appearing after letter 'б', it's general rule (жрать/дожирать, врать/довирать, etc). Google translate says it is 'pick up'. In general prefix 'до-' implies completness or addition to the process, so on the variants section we see 'gather additionally'.

So, we had 'брать (to take)' and got 'добирать (to take additional or last portion of smth))'. This is why we can get 'срать (to defecate)' and convert it to 'досирать' (to defecate additionaly/last portion). And now last step - let's get verb 'дурачить (to fool)' and noun 'дурак (the fool)'. Note how last portion of verb 'чить' was converted to single 'к' and verb goes noun. Another example: колпачить-колпак (to cap/the cap). This rule works with ending 'чить' only, but brain have this option in mind - some four-letter endings of verbs can be converted to noun with 'k'. So this is how we can get 'досирать' (verb) and convert it to 'досирак' - noun. This word doesn't exist and sounds stupid becuase of light rule violation, but these semantic connections do exist. So, the overall meaning is 'something which helps you to defecate completely or additionally'.

This is why they changed 'досирак' (dosirak, common korean term) to 'доширак' (doshirak). Trick is magic in it's core, letter 'sh' is one step closer to letter 'zh' and 'жрать' is 'to eat'. Negative connotations was erased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.176.26 (talk • contribs)

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instantnoodles.org as a ref
That site is used a lot in this article. It is just a lobby group and I don't think it is reliable source. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:42, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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