Talk:Insteon

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Cleanup
Thanks Mike for the start on the article. However, it needs to be cleaned up to be much less like an advertisement ("Reliability is a hallmark of INSTEON Networks." is a prime example) and more of an encyclopedia entry:
 * Remove marketing POV
 * Link in other articles
 * Use the standard article format (External links, see also, an intro that explains what INSTEON is to someone who's never known about it or any buzzwords relating to it)

Cburnett 05:18, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

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Warning messages
Hiya, I just added a couple of NPOV warnings to the page, and removed their company banner from the top, since the article does smell very much like advertising. However, I would vote in advance that it should not be deleted or removed, but re-edited (maybe totally re-writen) with an NPOV. --Tyr 80.195.231.235 11:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Transclusion of competing technologies
I have created Template:Wireless competitors which came from the entry for ZigBee, and am inserting the reference to that template into all the entries that it includes; this should create a fairer, more neutral, and automatic inclusion of all references to all of the competing wireless data networking schemes, whether it's wifi, bluetooth, X10 or whatever. If there's a new one or a better description, it can just be added to the template (or the template changed to update the information) and thus all the competitors have the same reference. Paul Robinson 13:55, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

cleanup
paul - good table, do you have any more suggestions in order to make this article better?

Editing changes
Hi, per the warnings and suggestions, I edited the opening paragraph and tried to remove the marketing POV, as well as adding a sentence explaining what INSTEON is to someone who has no idea about this type of technology. Please let me know if the changes are sufficient or if I need to do more. thanks. --Mpleasant 19:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

More of the same
Mpleasant reverted my rewrite of the beginning of the article without specifying why. I brought this to his/her attention on their talk page but ve did not respond (it has been 24 days). I am cutting and pasting my original rewrite. I sincerely hope that Mpleasant will join the discussion on this page. In case it is not clear, I feel that the intro is written in purple marketing speak, without addressing the technology's predecessor X10. Codeczero 00:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Advert, again
This article reads like an advertisement to me, and I've tagged it as such. If there are many good things to say about INSTEON, please find a good source and cite it. There are currently zero sources for the content of this article. --AbsolutDan (talk) 03:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Advertisement, NPOV, Sources
I have added sources and some additional information from the INSTEON.net and SmartLabs Pages. I also included some information from a PDF about INSTEON which is accessible via the link provided. Hopefully this clears up the lack of sources etc. I also tweaked a few things that sounded a little advertiserish. Please keep in mind that because I work for/with the inventors of this technology, it is hard for me to keep a NPOV. If anyone has any information regarding INSTEON from an outside source please add. Mpleasant 22:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Data in the table is incorrect
As many others have noticed, this looks like an advertising page. Additionally, the facts in the table are incorrect. ZigBee, for example, uses 16-bit addressing (64K unique addresses) in each of 16 channels. See, for example http://www.zigbee.org/en/about/faq.asp.

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I've noticed it mentions 24bit address which provides for an "unlimited" number of devices. This would actually limit the number of devices to 2^24, (or about 16.7 million) which would be consistant with a generic IP such as 24.x.x.x.

Jarod (talk) 13:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

110 vs 220 V
Is all of this available on both 110V and 220V networks? Or is this a USA-only system? -- Michael Janich 08:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Introduction is too long
The introduction is too long. The list of "features" in the introduction belongs in the article's body. Introductions need to be meaningful and concise. --KJRehberg (talk) 17:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Removal of the tags
I have become an INSTEON enthusist, and agree that they needed to cite more references. I hope I did everything right, I tried to take each issue nad fix it to the best of my ability. Any question, feel free to ask. Any fixes I need to make, also let me know. I will monitor my talk Back :)

Scrltspdr (talk) 00:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Written like advertising
This article is a disgrace. Why is INSTEON all-caps, for instance? Is it an acronym? ANY company would want its namae in all caps -- that doesn't mean an encyclopedia has to do it that way. The tone of this piece is highly promotional, and judging from someone above who granted copyright to use material from the company web site, there's clear conflict of interest involved. Also, no "enthusiast" for the company should be writing here -- that's admitted conflict of interest. This piece needs to be plain WP:NPOV, and it is far from that now. NOTE: Wikipedia policy forbids removing tags without the issues being addressed. -- 207.237.132.90 (talk) 19:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think he means enthusiast for the product line. I might describe myself as one as well, but I have nothing to do with their company, and if I were to contribute, I would certainly not be a COI.  Also I don't think "INSTEON" is the name of a company - I believe the company who made it is called "Smart Labs", and their company that sells it "Smart Home".  I believe the name INSTEON principally refers to the combined RF/powerline protocol, and secondarily, to the products that utilize that protocol.  And I will agree that capitalization is inappropriate per WP:MOSTM Reswobslc (talk) 17:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * IKEA is written in all caps on Wikipedia Daylen (talk) 23:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * IKEA is an acronym; INSTEON is not. Lambtron (talk) 14:45, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Advertisement Tag added
I just tagged this article as its tone sounds like an advertisement. Skimming the comments above, it seems like this has been a problem for a very long time. Editors, please don't remove a tag that says "reads like " unless the article reads like it came from an encyclopedia. There are people who volunteer their time to help clean up articles with problems. When you remove the tag, the article no longer shows up in lists helpful people see. Krushia (talk) 19:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I've made extensive edits to remove the promotional tone. For now at least, this article is as neutral as most other WP articles on home automation (e.g.: Zigbee and Z-Wave). More work could be done on comparison of home automation protocols but such info is hard to come by from neutral sources. Ross Fraser (talk)

Alas, once again this article is filling up with advertising text and is once again developing a promotional tone. E.g.: "Insteon Plug-In modules make any plug-in lamp or appliance part of the connected home." "The wireless switch can be mounted anywhere for easy accessibility." So it may once again need to be tagged for reading like an advertisement. In fact, right now, it reads like a catalogue from Smarthome.com Ross Fraser (talk) 07:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree that it's become blatantly promotional and I've added an Advert tag to bring attention to this problem. This article reads like an advertisement and lately has gotten much worse. Lambtron (talk) 13:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * When was Insteon technology developed? Who developed it? What makes it unique and what are alternative technologies 69.170.33.107 (talk) 23:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


 * It still reads like an advertisement and now much of the Insteon technical documentation that this article relies on has been proven to be lies made by the company.

Cleaning up the article
I've made some changes to clean up the article. I was going to excise a lot of the product info as being too much detail and advertorial, but user:nikthestunned beat me to it. Most of that product info would be better served being in a company article, as part of a discussion of the company's notable products. I think we're almost there in terms of getting this to be proper in tone for a technical protocol article.Timtempleton (talk) 00:58, 14 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree that the product info was mostly advertising but I've reinstated a (non-advertorial) version of the small section on central controllers, as this really is a defining technical feature of Insteon. Ross Fraser (talk) 04:11, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Great job! That was long overdue. I hope you don't mind, but I've rewritten the central controller section to keep it on topic and non-promotional. Lambtron (talk) 14:11, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't mind at all: these are good and succinct edits. :)
 * Two minor notes re: removing "See also" list.
 * 1) Symmetry should still prevail: Zwave, Dash7 and EnOcean still point to Insteon in their own See also lists, but Insteon doesn't point back (though I note Timtempleton removed "See also" from Zigbee so perhaps this is a global edit-in-progress.
 * 2) Mesh networking and Powerline communication are legit "See also" entries not covered by the home automation info box and should probably be reverted, especially the latter as it is somewhat of a peculiarity of Insteon in these everything-is-wireless days.
 * Ross Fraser (talk) 00:55, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes - I'm trying to remove the see also lists from as many related items as I have time for, specifically in the home automation and wireless sensor spaces. Those lists have turned into random lists of whatever and whoever wants to add something there, and you could argue that it borders on SPAM.  Also, without descriptive info to help explain what each term is, in advance of clicking (is it a protocol, networking application, company? etc.), it's less useful.  Similar to how the various categories on the bottom function as alternatives to putting in random names of competitors in the articles (another area I'm starting to work on since it's a target for spammers to attract eyeballs), the templates seem to perform a much more useful, scalable and global see also function.  The next challenge becomes what to add to the templates.  I tried to only add items that were notable, and the few that don't have articles are redlinked and probably should have their articles, from what I can find about them online.Timtempleton (talk) 15:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I realized I didn't address your concerns about the other terms. Power-line communication is already listed on the home automation template, and I just added mesh networking to the "other" section, since it technically could be added to all three "network technologies, by function" sections.Timtempleton (talk) 15:38, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Article Uses Insteon Documentation which has been found to be heavily falsified.
I tried to start making edits as I saw this read like a marketing page. A security researcher at DEFCON 23 recently called out Insteon on their falsified documentation and marketing lies. Many of the lies the company has said were included in this wikipedia article.

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