Talk:Insurgency in the North Gaza Strip

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I feel like this page is being overrun by biased editors. All the sources are only from some Arabic website. The page doesn't use a neutral language instead of saying Israeli soldiers and Palestinian militants they just say "Israeli occupying soldiers" and "Palestinian insurgents". רונלד15 (talk) 01:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Copy pasted from my talk page
 * “The Al Jazeera sources only link to the videos describing said operations. There is a language barrier so I only know Arabic and English sources with ease. I’m assuming you are a Hebrew speaker and if you access Hebrew sources feel free to include them too”
 * additionally the reason Al Jazeera is also used is because it has reporters within Gaza itself unlike other news sources which means it can report more in-depth the situation on the ground The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 09:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That's the problem your sources are only from Al Jazeera which doesn't it's reliable. רונלד15 (talk) 12:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Al Jazeera is biased of course but because of the nature of the war (unlike conventional wars for example where there are many reporters) it is the only news channel that actually has reporters there. And I only speak Arabic and English so I am able to access these sources better. If you are able to you can add Hebrew sources (for example ynet or i24 considering you can speak the language and navigate the sources more comfortably), the article still needs work The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 04:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well I can't find any big updates about the operation besides when IDF found a secret Hamas tunnel that was claimed to be an important intelligence office below UNRWA building in Gaza city. Maybe add "citation needed" to the info that Hamas claimes. רונלד15 (talk) 22:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable. Israel announced an operation in zeitoun district recently, I’ll see if I can add that and maybe I’ll try translating Hebrew sources The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 04:42, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Your recent update about the Zeitoun operation isn't fully confirmed by anyone. That the IDF "withdrew" You should maybe add (citation needed) next to it. רונלד15 (talk) 21:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Citation seems to be premature too, based on footage from IDF and Al Qassam it seems to be still ongoing The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 13:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Today in Ynet they said that the IDF has finished with the operation in Zeitoun. Here is a link https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/sjoirwg66 רונלד15 (talk) 22:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Terms used in the article which don't meet the objectivety criteria
The article documents the alleged successes of the palestinian organizations in inflicting casualties to the IDF while simulatenously completely ignoring the casualties being inflicted to the palestinian side. Additionally to terms that clearly point on the article being one sided and unobjective, (such as, "hunting" an IDF soldier, "occupation forces", and many others) Wikipedia requires objectivity, and by judging these aspects, article clearly relies on hamas propaganda and tries to paint an alleged picture of hamas success, and consequently, clearly lacks objectivity. Let alone doesn't convey a confirmed information, which raises a doubt regarding the very reliablity of the information, additionally to the other issues mentioned. 2A02:14C:8860:8E:BCF9:909D:E992:904B (talk) 10:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Refer to the discussion above this The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 10:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * stay salty lmao 2607:FEA8:A4E5:6A00:75DD:787E:2298:6B1 (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * the Israelis are indeed occupation forces both in Gaza and in the occupied West Bank. That is an objective fact. 2607:FEA8:A4E5:6A00:75DD:787E:2298:6B1 (talk) 14:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I generally agree with this point. The fact that no Palestinian casualties are listed for the al-Shifa hospital raid is strange.
 * From a Times of Israel article on the raid: "During the raid, which began March 18, the IDF said troops captured some 900 suspects, of whom more than 500 were confirmed to be terror operatives, and killed more than 200 gunmen. Among those killed and detained were top commanders in Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Valuable intelligence was also seized, the IDF said."
 * Why is such information not included in this article? Even if one argues that this is biased information, many of the claims in the article rely on news articles which quote "The Islamic Resistance" and the Al-Qassam Brigades. See sources 16 and 17 as evidence.
 * Generally, this article suffers from a highly unbalanced tone. Goobi100 (talk) 17:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect information under Israeli "commanders and leaders"
By no reasonable standard can many of the soldiers listed on the Israeli side be considered a "commander" or "leader" of the IDF.

For example, Lior Raviv and Matan Vinogradov are both listed in media reports as having the rank of Staff Sergeant and Sergeant First Class respectively. I have not found a single source which refers to either soldier as an officer, let alone commander. Goobi100 (talk) 23:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I have heard the ranks are raised posthumously. Otherwise I agree, it should have notable officers, like Hoffman, or haion The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 09:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 June 2024 [Belligerents section]
add Hezbollah to Belligerents section 173.72.3.91 (talk) 03:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 18:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request - Add reference to "Al Shifa Hospital raid"
There is a wiki page about the 2 raids that occured in Al Shifa hospital. Under "Israeli operations" in the section "Al Shifa Hospital raid" please add a reference to that wiki page. Specifically to the section concerning the second raid - Al-Shifa Hospital siege Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 10:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)