Talk:Intamin

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"The final paragraph of this article is biased. Making a compartive statement of Intamin's rides as compared to other manufacturers is not maintaining nutrality.

Someone should also include the recent string of saftey accidents realted to Intamin's new products."

Why, to try to make the company look like they don't care about safety? That's real NPV. Did it ever occur to you that since a good majority of amusement rides are made by Intamin AG, then by the laws of average they would have the higher number of incidents? It would be like me making one ride and then bragging to everybody about my outstanding safety record. When you're ambitious and you reach, you incur greater chances of bad things happening to you.

More Bias
Final paragraph... "Intamin is nothing short of great....." Needs changing

Invalid website
The link to intamin.com is invalid. It goes to a random search engine / placeholder. http://www.intaminworldwide.com/ is the correct link.

Article overhaul
I just re-worked a good deal of the article to remove some bias, fix numerous grammatical errors, rewrite some sections, and generally clean it up. Feel free to correct any mistakes I may have created or overlooked, but I think this article is a good deal better than what it was before. -- BrandonR 22:55, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps, but now the bias goes a bit the other way. I mean, the whole safety incident list is unfair for two reasons: 1. If you're going to list every single incident of an accident for a company, it's only fair that every single amusement ridemakers page have all their safety incidents listed too. To do otherwise creates an unfair impression that somehow Intamin is unique in creating rides where incidents occur. 2. Most of the incidents described are not Intamin's fault, it will even say so in the description of the accident, "the park followed improper procedure," "the ride was not properly maintained," etc. And the rest are debatable as to who is "at fault." Also, folks, sometimes accidents just happen no matter how diligent those overseeing it are. Not everything that goes wrong in life is "someones fault." Crap happens. Why is everyone in our society so obsessed with assigning blame for everything? Anyway, park/ride incidents should be confined to that part of the site, not frontloaded on a page supposed to be about the history and influence of a company in an attempt to make them look bad because some resent their success. Yes, Santa Claus, you can design rides cheaper and more efficient *and* safe.

AG ?
First excuse me for my really bad english please !

What does the ' AG ' mean in Intamin AG ?

Thanks !

E.M. - 20:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * ' AG ' is the German abbreviation for Aktiengesellschaft, meaning a corporation which is limited by shares, i.e., owned by shareholders. For more information, read the article at Aktiengesellschaft. --ZhongHan (Email) 04:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Physics
This should be removed: "building scream machines that appear to defy the laws of physics"


 * i wrote that and would like to inquire why you don't like its wording? i am not disagreeing mind you, it's just that i know what i meant, i am not sure how you precieve it. what is meant to be said is that the asthetics of the cutting edge machines seem to be almost impossible to the mind, such as: long arcs of seemingly unsupported track (the trick is the track have supports built right into them), or the way the coasters almost seem to dwarf the tracks versus older track designs like that of arrow dynamics and b&m. i am not saying that the machines actually defy physical laws only that one has to contemplate the designs for a while to understand the mechanical implications versus roller coasters of old which did not have that same "unreal" quality to them, perhaps you can help me potray this better in words?  i cannot think of a more comprehensive and succint way of wording what i feel is the impression people percieve upon introduction to the machines in question.  i thought about using a metaphorical representation such as "machines that have come out of the pages of a sci-fi movie" but i feel that is just further cloaking the point that the statement is trying to make.  i hope i didn't over analyze this too much, either way thanks for reading and commenting on my work -cmk

Public impressions section needs sources and NPOV
This is the Public impressions section as it currently reads, along with my comments about it.

"Whatever can be said about their safety record Intamin AG is an unbalancing force in the roller coaster industry. As of the 2006 amusement park season they are the considered the "top dog" of their industry, landing the largest contracts and the clients with the highest profiles." - source?

"Due to their prolific status they enjoy both an abundance of fanfare and resent. Amongst those knowledgeable about roller coaster manufacturers there are those who swear by Intamin coasters as if they were the stuff of legends, conversely you have those who speak of a need to return to roots and their desire for the more traditional amusement park roller coasters and flat rides." - source? And what about coaster enthusiasts who prefer B&Ms?

"The obvious conclusion is that Intamin AG has brought about a new generation of roller coaster." - I would remove this sentence. "Obvious" is an insult to readers; please see Words to avoid and Neutral point of view.

"They have advanced the manufacturing process, structural strength and ease of construction. These technological strides have lowered the cost and risk of building scream machines that appear to defy the laws of physics." - "defy the laws of physics" is dubious; an earlier header in this talk page addressed that.

"The ground breaking advancements they have made in the fundamental design are blurring the line further between thrill rides and roller coasters built for thrills. In an industry that was stuck in the same design for over twenty years making only small advancements, the ground shaking developments put forth by this risk taking company are tremendous and as a result are making it very hard for their competitors to keep up." - "ground shaking", "tremendous", "hard for their competitors to keep up" - POV. Also see Bolliger & Mabillard and Huss Maschinenfabrik for other manufacturers whose works is very much in demand by major theme parks right now.

"In less than ten years (since 1997) this company has put a lot of ground between themselves and their nearest competitor. So whether it is for admiration or disrespect you cannot recognize the company properly without recognizing their accomplishments." - These sentences should be removed. Don't address readers in the second person, and don't discount the competition.

In summary, this section is currently poorly sourced and has a rather extreme Intamin fan (or employee) POV, when it should be written neutrally and with reliable sources to back up everything that it says. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 17:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

POV aside the things that i stated in this blurb were beyond true, i have first hand done research into this topic for various ends and i am neither a fan nor an employee, but i feel that in the spirit of this living encyclopedia when a certain company breaks away from the pack and recreates themselves in a way that enthusiasts and knowledgeable persons in general recognize their products as a "Cadillac" of their industry it should probably be noted in some manner or another...... my original problem with the article was that it made their designs sound all too run-of-the-mill this is a misconception and the truth is their entry into this market caused great waves, to the point where they were the nail-in-the-coffin to competitor Arrow and to state "huss" is even in the same league is ignorant all together they make glorified flat rides B&M and S&S power happen to be the only other manufacturers on the same tier... furthermore anyone who is out in the roller coaster/amusement park circuit knows that their prolific status whether it is for better or worse is deserved, B&M has out right stated it has no intention on making machines that do the things that intamin's do and s&s seems to service japan with its machines more so then america in general giving this company a stranglehold on one of the biggest markets in the world so why this blurb was reduced to a shadow of its former self is beyond me and once again is why this medium (wikipedia) will never be considered a first rate tool for information, its quick, easy and sloppy but always deriving from the point of view of the niche group that "controls" it and as far as stating sources is concerned i am a source and the level of understanding presented was something that was derived from countless days of first hand reading/listening/experiencing so i would suggest gaining some perspective on a topic before recklessly removing sections would be a better course of action in the future, just a suggestion, and as far as writing something that is entirely neutral, that is impossible, so i did the only thing that is right stated both the negative(nostalgics dislike their non-traditioalist approach..) and the positive (their fan base swears by the approach to design..) and (-1) + (+1) = 0 or as neutral as it is going to get and allows a reader to understand the culture that is present out there if they have an interest in becoming part of the community or just want to know more about the topic.. -c 67.23.125.138 22:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Types of roller coasters made by Intamin AG
Maybe there should be a section on what types of roller coasters Intamin makes (named as it's title on the official website is), what they are like, examples of one, etc. Theguywhohatestwitter (talk) 00:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think this list would benefit the article in any manner.TPOLMike (talk) 23:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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Intamin's first coaster
Despite popular belief and perhaps some online articles, Junior Gemini was not Intamin's first roller coaster. Like the Schwarzkopf and Giovanola coaster's that were sold before it, Junior Gemini was sub-contracted and built by another company. Unfortunately I don't yet have documentation to support this. I discussed the matter with Sasha Czibulka at the 2015 IAAPA Expo in Orlando. He told me that Lethal Weapon formerly at Movie Park Germany, was the first coaster that Intamin built within its own facilities. Unfortunately first-hand knowledge is not a suitable source. In the mean time, I would appreciate it if other editors would stop listing Jr. Gemini as first. Eventually I will find (or create) a suitable citation.— JlACEer ( talk ) 19:35, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

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