Talk:Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center

to unite with Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center
--Igorp_lj (talk) 21:36, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Just saw this. It is the exact same organization, we just need to make one article redirect to the other. Jeff Song (talk) 00:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Yossi Gurvitz - Israeli Journalist (the case for inclusion of comments as significant minority opinion
Gurvitz is an Israeli Journalist who is a regular contributor to the Israeli daily Calcalist, he has been cited by the Al Jezeera News Network, he has also been published in by the Israeli national news network Ynet

The comments relevant to this article were published in both America and Israel on two online magazines specializing in commentary relating to the Arab/Israeli conflict. ,.

I think there is more than enough here to justify the quote of his comments on the basis of significant minority opinion. The mention of his comment takes up only half a line in the context of 3 lines of text giving the majority opinion (as per Jpost Washington Post, and NYT). The organisation itself is given 5 lines which are quotes and referenced direct from their own website, so i don't think it can be argued that Gurvitz comments are given undue weight. Dlv999 (talk) 21:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * mondoweiss.net is a personal blog, of someone who has an extreme agenda. Having Gurvitz published there (and only there!) means less than nothing, it actually degrades from the notability of his comment, placing it squarely in the "fringe criticism by extremists" rubric. Unless you come up with coverage of this comment in reliable, mainstream sources, it is not notable and WP:UNDUE. Jeff Song (talk) 23:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I have shown that Gurvitz is a substantial journalist both inside and outside Israel. I have two citations for the comment. The half sentence is proportionate for a significant minority opinion. Besides I have RS that Gurvitz' opinion was shared by Israeli ex-intelligence and military intelligence officers.


 * "Under Ehrlich's management, the information center has become a "pipeline" for information and assessments that the Military Intelligence research division does not want directly associated with it...."


 * "The symbiotic connection between Ehrlich's center and Military Intelligence aroused criticism from several members of Malam and Military Intelligence. Some also opposed the center's establishment. The opponents argue that Military Intelligence should not be connected to a propaganda body"


 * http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/the-terrorist-kills-and-the-bank-pays-1.212923


 * Also your comments on Mondoweiss are just your own personal opinion and not relevant to the article. If you look at the wiki page you will see that Mondoweiss has been cited and praised by mainstream sources. Dlv999 (talk) 23:45, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The fact the Mondoweiss is a personal blog is not "my opinion". And my opinion of Weiss and the blog is shared by many - as the Mondoweiss article says - many consider it part of "anti-Israel blogosphere" which engages in '"Jew-bait[ing]" and is "intensely anti-Israel." - in other words, an extreme, fringe publication, which is self-published, to boot. None of this matter much though. The bottom line is that Gurvitz self-published and cross posted his article to two non-reliable blogs. That does not make his opinion "significant" or notable. He is a journalist, (not a "substantial journalist", whatever that means), who primarily writes about financial issues. His articles about financial matters, when published by reliable sources, can be used. His blog entries published in mondoweiss are not. If you want to use the material from Haaretz (which unlike mondoweiss or +972 is a reliable, mainstream source), properly attributed to "Opponents" or "critics" that would be fine. Jeff Song (talk) 00:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As the was no response on the talk page for more then a month I am restoring Jeff version.If someone want to restore his view please explain who is this journalist why its notable?--Shrike (talk) 15:48, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

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