Talk:Intelligent design/EncephalonSeven

How the Stuff was Created
Perhaps, we should remind the public biblical account about how all the stuff was created. To me it looks more an artistic (with some vanity comments) rather than strictly intelligent approach. --EncephalonSeven 19:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC) The History of Creation

The first 2 things created
 * 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

The first created things did not look good
 * 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Give me some light here, said God to himself (the God could already speak)
 * 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

Finally something good
 * 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.

Day and night before they were governed by the sun cycle
 * 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

Let's make a solid structure here
 * 6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 

Complications with water above and below the structure
 * 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.

Solid structure lifted to the sky (for further attachment of objects)
 * 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

Let's make some dry land
 * 9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.

Everything looks good so far
 * 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

Gardening
 * 11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so.

Looking good
 * 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Wednesday already
 * 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

Legal stuff for day and night: where the light should come from
 * 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;

Let's attach the lights to the solid structure, so that the light shines on Earth
 * 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.

Making of the Sun, Moon and stars; all attached to the solid structure
 * 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.
 * 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,

Sun and Moon legally assigned to monitor day and night
 * 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.

Thursday already
 * 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Swimming and flying creatures; still looking good
 * 20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”
 * 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Instructions to fish and bird to multiply
 * 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 

Time runs fast
 * 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

'''Living stuff on the earth. Looks good!'''
 * 24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so.
 * 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

'''Creation of one man and one woman from God's image. Is God male or female?'''
 * 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[b] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 
 * 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Instructions to multiply to the people
 * 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 

Making sure there is enough food
 * 29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.
 * 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.

Good stuff!
 * 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


 * Science it is not, but I would imagine most people here know the story. Obviously, given the lack of knowledge at the time of optics, photosynthesis, cosmology, physics, genetics, etc., it was the best story anyone of that era and culture could create.  That some people still believe it to be the literal truth amazes me, chacun a son goût, but I will defend their right to believe it so long as they do not try to force it (either literally or in the guise of ID (emergence theory)) down the throats of my children.  Jim62sch 20:06, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you EncephalonSeven for that very nice contribution, a suitable reminder to us all at this Winter Solstice tide. Only one thing, you've not covered the revised sequence in Version 2.4 (to 2.25), a bit of a rib-tickler in which they both end up without their trousers, instituting an ancient tradition of panto. A guid new year tae ane and a' ......dave souza 20:12, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * On popular demand, here is how the whole story with "intelligent design" ended:
 *  So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.” And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?” Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.” And the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” 


 * To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.” 


 * Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “ Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life.


 * Very sad story... --EncephalonSeven 20:23, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, on to 3.0 and the subtil serpent is presumably those evolutionists, saying knowledge is ok, even though the godly IDers warn them... but wait a moment, weren't the ID crew wanting to widen knowledge, to teach the controversy? Where's my flaming sword when it's needed. ....dave souza 20:44, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

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 * Ben, you need to sign your posts, rather than pretending that you're a voice from the skies thundering in the abyss. OK, maybe you just forgot. Jim62sch 00:34, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, have you read the three links to which you referred? Jim62sch 00:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Off topic and irrelevant, Say no more (nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse). ...dave souza 01:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Or to a blind bat. Jim62sch 01:22, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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 * And if its not approched in a intelligent manner... what shall we do then Ben? Discuss until one side gets burned out? - RoyBoy 800 03:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)