Talk:Intentional community/Archive 1

Disambiguation
The commune link in this article goes to a disambiguation page, which links back to here. Please, someone who knows, define a "commune". Thanks. --Heron 17:45, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, Gbleem, for answering my question. :-) --Heron 20:15, 19 September 2004 (UTC)

Monasteries
Can somebody explain me why monasteries are not mentioned though they clearly fit the definition? I have the impression that they are not considered intentional communities but I do not understand this. Andries 08:21, 19 June 2005 (UTC)

History of term
I think this article needs more about the history of the term "intentional community," and the sections on Characteristics and Governance need to cite sources--of the definitions, not just the statistics. I'm sorry I can't be the one to provide this: I can't find anything about the history of the term anywhere. I want to know when the term was first used, whether there were anthropologists or theorists who fleshed it out soon after it was coined, or other writers who popularized it. I want to know who is studying it today, and what the important debates, POVs are around the term. This concept will lose historical precision if it's made to encapsulate a collection of movements that don't explicitly call themselves "intentional communities" (Andries recommendation of including monasteries has this danger). It becomes just a matter of the writer's (non-netural) opinion as to whether a particular social entity fits an ideal, ahistorical definition of "intentional community." I would be happy to do this work myself if any of you can provide me with a reading list--Jefflawshe 19:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Listing "well-known" intentional communities
It seems that many folks want to list their favorite intentional community in the sections entitled "Some well-known intentional communities" and "Some Christian intentional communities" (this dispite the fact that there is a List of intentional communities in the "See also" section where they can list any intentional community). Since it would be difficult to establish ground rules as to what "well-known" means and since these sections could get very lengthy, I suggest that they be eliminated from the article. People would still be able to list their favorites on the List of intentional communities. Comments? Sunray 07:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Community
WikiProject Community and the Version 1.0 Editorial Team are refactoring the main Community article and will be linking a section to this article. Please note also that Category:Intentional communities is now a subcategory of the new high-level Category:Community. Thanks! • CQ 14:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC) • WP:CBTF

Order for External Links
Recently I reordered some of the external links based on putting what I thought were the most useful links higher up. I have a huge bias in this as the webmaster for the ic.org site but also in turn have some credentials in such evaluation. Is there a protocol for how external links are ordered? Can anyone else help with less biased reordering? Should I go ahead and make the changes I think appropriate again? Tonysirna 21:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 05:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Governance
Do not some intentional communities claim to be peaceful anarchist communities with no earthly leaders or governors (see Christian anarchism for example)? nirvana2013 (talk) 17:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Link to Retreat (survivalism) Wiki Page
A subset of intentional communities, albeit a minority, have preparedness and isolation from calamities as one of their shared goals. In recent years, Peak Oil concerns have prompted the formation of several intentional communities. Would it therefore be apropos to add a "See also" link to the extant wiki page "Retreat (survivalism)?  I am seeking editors' consensus before adding this new link.  Thanks, Trasel (talk) 19:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I had no response, so I'll go ahead and establish a link to that wiki page Trasel (talk) 20:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Intentional communities
Would private schools be considered intentional communities? What about residential colleges?
 * No, in both cases. Schools are generally not planned and maintained by members who share a common vision. Sunray 08:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The common vision shared by members of a residential college is the education of the members of that college. Where the college is planned and maintained by members (instead of by the state, for example), why is it not an intentional community? Dartmothian (talk) 17:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

"intentional community"
Can anyone tell me about the genesis of the phrase "intentional community" ? Thanks, --hydnjo talk 23:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Include info from annihilated wiki-page
Please include info from this annihalited wiki page into the article. thanks. KVDP (talk) 20:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Cometstyles why did you revert my edits to Intentional Community the information I removed, and then remove again due to Cluebot, does not contribute to a understanding of the topic.

Chipstata (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Moshav as Intentional Community?
The addition of the Moshav as a type of Intentional Community has got me thinking about the definition of an Intentional Community. My reading of the article on Moshav leads me to conclude that it is NOT an Intentional Community as currently defined. However, I can certainly see how one could make a case for why a Moshav IS an Intentional Community. The same argument that would make a Moshav fit the definition would make a monastery, private school, or Food Coop fit. I'm looking for consensus on the definition before making edits in fit the current one. Chipstata (talk) 19:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Using the definition in the lead of this article, I would agree with you that Moshav doesn't fit&mdash;hence I will remove it. On the other hand monasteries would qualify. Private schools and food coops would not (since most residents of the former have not reached the age of intent :-) and the latter are not residential). Sunray (talk) 07:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Alternative society
Alternative_society and Intentional community are NOT synonymous. Just because you couldn't get your propaganda into the Alternative Society article please don't try to pan it off here. Chipstata (talk) 12:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed; however I do like to see the info/article I created remains maintained. Perhaps you might rewrite some of it and add it here or alternatively at the Alternative_society article (yet I'm having trouble there as its main overseer keeps deleting my rewrites). Help is highly appreciated, thanks.

81.246.175.241 (talk) 07:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No, really, that material doesn't belong here. There is a link to "alternative society" in the article. That should suffice. Sunray (talk) 07:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Residential Community
While it is true that many intentional communities are not just "bed room" communities and include some form of commerce, I believe it is important to maintain the "residential" part of the definition. Without defining an Intentional community as a residential community it becomes far to general and VERY strong arguments could be made to include "Intentional" communities such as a college campus, gated suburb, or your local food coop. Chipstata (talk) 12:55, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Intentional eucharistic communities
There are press reports about associations of liberal Catholic laypeople in the United States who call themselves intentional eucharistic communities. This could maybe be mentioned somewhere in the entry if it turns out to be more than just a passing phenomenon, and actually builds up as an opposition movement within the Catholic Church. There are historical precedents in which similar liberal associations had formed, such as the Sillon movement in early 20th century France or the ecclesial base communities in Latin America in the 1970s and 1980s. ADM (talk) 05:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

See also: Micronation
I recently added 'Micronation' to the list of subjects under 'See also'. Micronations often consist of a group of people that get together and create a community (like an intentional community), though this is not always the case, because some micronations are joke projects by one individual. According to Wikipedia policy, the See Also section should link to related subjects, so I added it. But regardless, the user OpenFuture has deleted the mention of micronations twice. I don't know what OpenFuture's motive is, but whatever it is, it is neither Wikipedia policy nor a great dissimilarity to micronations. I therefore want third party input on this matter, but by the looks of the topics above, no one actually looks at this talk page. Warm tomato (talk) 09:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * "Micronations often consist of a group of people that get together and create a community" - And often they do not. Principality of Sealand for example. Sure, a micronation can be a intentional community, but most are not, and most intentional communities are not micronations. It's two different concepts with no relation, it's like a "See also" from "Windows" to "White" because often Windows are white. --OpenFuture (talk) 09:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Questions
A generation starship is an intentional community, and a sleeper ship is too. Where are the sleeper ship charters on Earth? Paum89 (talk) 01:15, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Planned Community (AKA New Town)
What's the difference between an "intentional community" and a planned community? --Paulie Peña (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A "planned community" refers only to the physical aspect of the town (buildings, layout), whereas an "intentional community" refers to the intention of the inhabitants. A new town can contain an intentional community, but not necessarily.--Micru (talk) 22:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

would like to cite example of Jinwar
I would like to retain the listing for Jinwar, in the "See Also" section here. As I mentioned to Peaceray on my talk page, Jinwar is a highly unique example of an intentional community. it was set up in the Third World, in a zone of conflict, during an actual war!! It deserves to be highlighted for the international readership of Wikipedia. others are free to add their own such examples too! so how about if we allow it to remain in the "See Also" section for this article? Please feel free to comment. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 14:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ❌ Opposed for two reasons
 * To list Jinwar in the See also section would be to give undue weight to a young community that is as likely as not to be an ephemeral example. As such, it would be an exception & unrepresentative of the topic. I fail to see why we should mention such a young community in this article & not more influential historical examples like the Shakers, the Harmony Society, the Oneida Community, or the Icarians or more contemporary ones like Twin Oaks Community, Virginia, The Farm (Tennessee), ZEGG (community), or Tamera.
 * To list Jinwar in See also would give it undue weight in violation of the "See also" section guidelines. Jinwar should be first (& instead) listed in the List of intentional communities, where it is currently missing.
 * Peaceray (talk) 17:35, 11 December 2019 (UTC)