Talk:Interlagos Circuit

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I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth.--Ciroa 22:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)--

I updated link to official F1 site & added link to BBC's F1 circuit guide.--Cheetaih (talk) 03:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

No difference between layouts?
Why are the illustrations for the 1973 and 1979 layouts identical, despite having different circuit lengths? Same goes for the 1990 vs present layouts. It doesn't make any sense to highlight differences between them in terms of numbers, when they're not illustrated. I'm tempted to re-do them myself. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:04, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I second what Mac wrote, The funny thing is racingcircuits dot info also has the same problem. We need someone local to go knock on the door over there. I also corrected the name of one graphic; it was showing 1973 layout (SVG) but pulled a 1977 version .svg. Netweezurd (talk) 05:30, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 23 December 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Nnadigoodluck  █ █ █  09:34, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Autódromo José Carlos Pace → Interlagos circuit – The article currently uses WP:OFFICIAL as its title, however WP:ENGLISH language sources overwhelmingly refer to the track simply as "Interlagos" as this is the venue's WP:COMMONNAME in English. A reader searching for this article may be less likely to recognise the article under its current name than under the proposed name. Since "Interlagos" is already the name of the article on the neighbourhood of São Paulo that the circuit is located in the title "Interlagos circuit" can be used to provide natural disambiguation. Obviously per WP:OFFICIAL the official name should remain in the first paragraph of the lead, the infobox, and other appropriate locations. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 16:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support as common name. A brief google search tells you as much. SSSB (talk) 17:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:38, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment from original request maker - Here are a couple of examples: Official Formula One website; The Guardian; Autosport. Edit: The Portuguese Wikipedia article uses "Interlagos" as its title; looking at some of the sources available is starting to make me doubt that "Autódromo José Carlos Pace" is actually still the current WP:OFFICIAL name (it probably is but evidence may be necessary to make sure). HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 12:31, 24 December 2020 (UTC) HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 12:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Move to Interlagos
FWIW, I also support moving the page to Interlagos as per the previous discussion, but someone already moved it around. Is there anything we can do to keep this stable? Best,  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  00:45, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Same as what has to be done anywhere else. Revert edits that go against consensus and tell people off for disruptive editing if they keep doing it. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 05:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Worst case senario, we request move protection at WP:RPP. SSSB (talk) 10:56, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Questions about the official name
We are currently stating in the article that the official name of the venue is the "Autódromo José Carlos Pace"; however (as I mentioned in the move request) looking at sources I feel like it may be worth establishing whether or not this is actually the official name of the venue. It may just be that "Interlagos" is almost universally used despite not being the official name, but it is worth noting that for example it seems that the circuit's official website is called "autodromointerlagos.com". Since I can't read Portuguese it's hard for me to dig further into this, but I think it may be worth checking the exact details here. Maybe the official name has been changed back to "Interlagos", or maybe the "Autódromo José Carlos Pace" name refers to a specific layout (modern 4km layout versus old 8km layout for example). I know in the case of Jacarepaguá the CART layout was called "Emerson Fittipaldi Speedway" or something to that effect while the official title of the venue itself was different. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:09, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Necessity of translating corner names?
Other than the "'S' do Senna" being referred to as "the Senna S" in English, every corner on this track is almost universally referred to by its endonym in English anyway, so I somewhat question the need to translate the corner names as they currently are. On top of this there's also the issue of translating Portuguese names into English accurately in a manner which is still meaningful. For example, consulting with someone who understands the language, it seems that the actual meaning of "Subida dos Boxes" is something along the lines of "you must climb up the hill to get to the pits", which isn't really a useful translation of a name for these purposes. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 04:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * We should only translate corner names if they have a significant translation, or it's translation is commonly used. "S do Senna" is worth translating, as it is commonly refered to by it's English translation, and it's named after someone significant. I don't see any benefit in translating the rest of the corners, we are not a translation service and therefore we shouldn't translate things for the sake of it. SSSB (talk) 11:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

"Circuit" vs "circuit"
In the recent move discussion, the only option considered was "Interlagos circuit" with a lowercase "c". However, in two other recent(ish) similar move discussions, it was decided to go with an upper case "c" (ie see Talk:Imola Circuit and Talk:Albert Park Circuit). User:HumanBodyPiloter5, was this a conscious decision on your part and if so, for what reason? Or should this be changed to an uppercase "c" in line with most other similarly named articles? The formula one website link given in the move discussion uses an uppercase "c" also, with most of the other sources just using the term "Interlagos". A7V2 (talk) 23:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think it was a conscious decision. It doesn't make all that much of a difference. In prose I think "Interlagos circuit" is preferable if "Circuit" isn't a part of the official name, but as a title either is fine. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 00:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The reasoning here does not add up. Firstly "Autodromo" means racetrack (according to Google) which is a synomon of Circuit. So Circuit is in the official name. Secondly "Interlagos" isn't in the official name, it's just the common name.
 * As for myself, I think it should be capitilised for consistency, I suggest a simply, WP:BOLD move will be fine. We don't need another (formal) discussion for it. SSSB (talk) 09:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If it's more consistent it's more consistent. Personally I would interpret "Autodromo" as translating to "Autodrome" but I don't think there's sufficient evidence of it being called the "Interlagos Autodrome" in English to warrant that name being a consideration. Either "circuit" or "Circuit" is fine so far as I'm concerned. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 14:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Either way, the official name contains a synomyn of circuit. I also agree that Interlagos Autodrome or Interlagos racetrack are suitable title. And I think that capitilisation of "cicuit" is minor, it is still the commonnam regardless of wether its capitialised. SSSB (talk) 14:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Either way, the official name contains a synomyn of circuit. I also agree that Interlagos Autodrome or Interlagos racetrack are suitable title. And I think that capitilisation of "cicuit" is minor, it is still the commonnam regardless of wether its capitialised. SSSB (talk) 14:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I have moved to uppercase "Circuit" since you both seemed fine with it. I wouldn't be opposed to something including Autodrome or even Autodromo but for now I think it's better with the uppercase C (also I forgot to mention when I brought this up but the only source used to justify the move in the first place which used the full "Interlagos C/circuit" used "Circuit" ). A7V2 (talk) 00:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)