Talk:International Academy

Assess
Well ... you can see the sections that have no refeences in. Also notable for its lack of pictures. Some good stuff, but do you really need to wikilink French? Not really interested in what this school does that every school does but what it doesnt or does in a different way. References should be third party - I would expect 20 or 30 especially wehen you link your Alumni. This is an important school. May be top. Deserves an article like the one you are developing. Good luck Victuallers 10:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

plaigiarized
The entire first paragraph is verbatim from IA website. Needs to be rewritten from scratch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Subdn (talk • contribs) 12:44, 14 August 2006

False Information
I'm an IA student and, while I think it's good that IA students are editing it as we have a better clue than anyone else, I've noticed stuff in the past that were just rumors flying around the IA. For example, the whole thing about Baker Middle School in Troy becoming a new location for IA...that was a rumor that came out of the fact that the Troy School District is planning on using Baker to turn into a new IB school. However, it is was never in consideration to be used as a new building for the current IA. The IA is funded by the Bloomfield Hills District, so it would never relocate to a building in Troy. The classes offered portion I added on my "BeggarsBanquet" account and while that has no citations I know for a fact that all of that is true. I've read in the school coursebook and/or heard it from teachers and principals of the school myself. I simply just would not know what to cite.

The article seems pretty good right now, but we should be on the lookout for stuff that is untrue or is outdated...for example, the "IA Fire" disbanded in the fall of 2005. That was over a year ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.19.130 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 23 November 2006


 * I re-added my statement here in its original form. First of all, even if what I said earlier was not true, it's wrong to remove it from the Talk page, and I've posted a warning on the page of the user who did so (it's not a formal warning because I think they had good intentions, they weren't trolling, just an explanation of how this isn't acceptable).  The Talk page is a record of discussions about the article, not the article itself.  Please read through Wikipedia guidelines some more before making drastic changes. Secondly, it is true that the older Baker building is now being used by the East campus.  However, the original rumor was that the Central campus in Bloomfield Hills would be re-located there, not that it would be used as the building for a new IA campus.  So, the initial rumor was indeed false and needed to be removed.  You might be wise to check the time stamps also before making such assumptions; you'll notice I posted this back in 2006, before IA was even considering opening a third campus.  At the time, the Baker campus was only being discussed as the location for an IB school run entirely by Troy School District and unaffiliated with the IA.  Beggarsbanquet (talk) 10:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Re-rating
Now that sources have been added and the IA article is no longer tagged as missing sources, is there a way that IA can be re-assessed? I no longer think it is Start-class. I also think it should be Top-importance, as it is historic for being the first state-funded all-IB Diploma school in North America.

As for the lack of an alumni section, the school is only 11 years old, with its first class graduating in 2000. The lack of a list of notable alumni is due to the fact that the school is too young to have any notable alumni yet. In 10 years or so, there should be a substantial list, but as for now a lack of an alumni section should not be mark against an article about a 11-year-old school. Beggarsbanquet 04:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think because of the fact that the school is so new, it still isn't well-known outside of the Detroit area despite being "historic," and the fact that it doesn't have any notable alumni yet, is reason enough to keep it at High-importance. In a decade or so when it starts to get "notable" alumni, then perhaps it should be upgraded to top importance.  But not yet. 162.129.242.160 (talk) 20:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact, if you look more at the importance scale on WikiProject:Schools, you will see that the current High-Importance rating is, indeed, pretty generous given the age of the school. 162.129.242.160 (talk) 20:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Please stop re-adding old, inaccurate info
Please stop re-adding this:

About 88% of enrolled students earn IB degrees.

The article in question was written several years ago, and the statistic is no longer accurate. The statistic added for the class of 2006 gives the reader a much better idea of how many IA students receive the IB diploma. It is also the statistic used by the school on all of its information booklets and its website. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 01:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It's an external source, and it's used for other data in the article. The references do work, if you don't delete them. Gimmetrow 01:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * That's because, for that information, it is still accurate. However, the number of IA students who attain IB degrees now has changed significantly.  The school no longer uses the 88% statistic, and as a student of the school due to graduate this year I can tell you that that statistic is misleading, as we have only about 5 students per year who do not attain IB degrees (since graduating classes are around 150 students, that is much smaller than the 12% that statistic implies).  About the sources, they do work - for about 5 seconds.  Then, when I refresh the page, it says "Citation error: No info given."  It is better to re-state the source twice than have a citation error.  Beggarsbanquet (talk) 02:00, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is the message I got from that reference: Cite error 8; No text given. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 02:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's because you just deleted it! Gimmetrow 02:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It looked that way before I deleted it though. .... Oh no, wait, I get what you're saying now. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 02:07, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

The referenced paper is, I think, talking about a different statistic. It says that 88% of those *who enroll* go on to earn an IB degree. Not a percent of those who make it to senior year, but a percent of those who start as first-years. Gimmetrow 02:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

History page?
Wth is up with the history page? It only goes back to edits from December 2005. I know the page is older than this, as I distinctly remember some vandals messing with it back in spring of 2005. Did someone delete the history prior to December 2005? If so, that seems rather dishonest and unnecessary. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 21:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Schools Assessment
(B\High) Great additions with references, but they should all be put in the proper format. I have done a far bit of that as examples. Is the student handbook available online? If so, please reference it correctly, if not, please expand the reference. The news section needs expansion: one sentence is too little. Keep up the good work. — Calebrw (talk) 02:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * When you started some refs were just urls, and those should have been given title/date and so forth eventually. However, cite templates are not required for anything, and there were zero cite templates in this article. Conversion to cite templates was inappropriate. Gimmetrow 03:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, as I've said before, the IA was the first public all-IB school in North America, and it was for several years considered America's best public high school, so why isn't it being considered for Top-Importance? I saw schools on the Top-Importance list that were less notable than this school. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 03:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Reverted edit on number of languages
Please stop changing it so that it says that "IA East offers the same three languages as the Central Campus: French, Spanish, and Mandarin." Central Campus offers four languages (those three plus German), and as far as I know IA East offers all the same ones. Unless they had a shortage of interest in German and were not able to offer it, but even so, it should be edited because in that case the IA East students will have less language options than the Central Campus.

Also, when I was saying the size of IA East would be about the same as the Central Campus, I was referring to the class size, not the size of the building itself. I changed it back to "about the same" and edited the phrasing of the sentence to make it clearer. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 03:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot and references
Here  Dumzibot was reverted in its attempts to  title bare ref.s. While some of them were later adopted there are still bare refs in the article. These should be fixed up and the bots tag removed. Rich Farmbrough, 16:09 7 September 2008 (GMT).


 * The script was creating the same title for seven different urls, which isn't helpful. That was the third time it made the same edits. Ultimately, yes, urls should be formatted to include author, title, publisher and date where known. It will happen eventually; there's no deadline. Gimmetrow 18:46, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Grammar improved, section deleted
I deleted the "Clubs" section as it basically covered what was already discussed in the Extracurriculars section in less detail, and fixed some problems with grammar and unencyclopedic ways of wording things ("Morning Choir" is a casual term used by students and should be replaced with " IA Chorale" but it's unencyclopedic to list the precise names of all the musical ensembles anyways).

To current students editing the article: Please be careful to make sure that what you want to add isn't already covered, and that it's necessary for an encyclopedia article. I've seen many high school articles ruined by well-intentioned students who wanted to toot the horn of favorite school clubs, sports teams, or teachers, and added unnecessary details more appropriate for a promotion page than an encyclopedia. That's not what Wikipedia is for. Also, if you had looked carefully, you'd see that we already had a bit on the FIRST Robotics team and the awards it had won. I'm a former student and I've been very careful to try to make this a fair, overall assessment of the school; I hope you'll do the same. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 22:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

BLP issues

 * I would like to remind everyone that it is immature and against Wikipedia policy to edit the Talk page in this manner. If you disagree with whether this information should be available on the page or not, then the proper response is to reply to the message saying so, not to delete it from the Talk page. Remember, this is the Talk page, not the article itself; it doesn't have to be encyclopedic. 68.33.208.94 (talk) 23:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

It is well within Wikipedia policy (specifically WP:Biographies of living persons) to remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material from talk pages--especially here, where it involves negative portrayals of private individuals. If a reliable source (such as a newspaper, not a letter to the editor) prints something about the school, then its inclusion could be discussed on the talk page. As for maturity, speaks for itself, I think. Gimmetrow 23:59, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think the principal of a school with a national reputation is exactly a "private individual." At the very least, she's a limited public figure, Okma more so, within the metro Detroit area.  In the legal definition, that is.   They shouldn't repeat what she did here in the talk page of course, but assuming they did indeed find evidence in court records that it happened, I don't think it's unfair to ask where records of these court proceedings could be found on the Internet.  They are public, not private, records, and obviously reliable, and thus should be admissible as sources for Wikipedia. 162.129.242.160 (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

General NPV Issue
Though their edits were nonconstructive, the recent vandals raised one valid point: a lot of this article reads like a puff page to promote the IA. It's a lot subtler than most articles with NPV issues, but I still think it should be tagged for not having a NPV. Especially when you consider a lot of the stuff about IA's musical accomplishments, for example, is unsourced. I can see why those who don't hold the school in the highest esteem are frustrated that people who add unsourced content with a positive bias get away with it, while those who add unsourced content with a negative bias don't. I would like to get a second opinion before tagging the article though. (And on an unrelated note, the vandals were right about Okma serving as IA West's vice principal, though it's only until the regular VP is done with her maternity leave.) 162.129.242.160 (talk) 20:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * More specifically, there are a lot of peacock terms and weasel words in here. I changed the box to reflect that. 205.215.249.217 (talk) 23:52, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How about a little more specific? Gimmetoo (talk) 23:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think a general NPOV tag doesn't specify the problems. It's not that this page is wildly inaccurate, but that a lot of descriptions which are otherwise reliable are written in ways which promote the IA (e.g. the peacock terms and weasel words).  Someone looking for general inaccuracy might not find the problem unless it's addressed specifically. 205.215.249.217 (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've removed some peacock-y and just plain unnecessary information in the Classes Offered section. The Internationalism section needs a more thorough clean-up, since so much of it just seems to be an advertisement for how diverse or multicultural the IA is.  Also, it's kind of incorrect to categorize the school as a true "International School" since the vast majority of its students come from the surrounding area.  Having a few international students doesn't necessarily set it apart from any other public high school. 76.100.170.150 (talk) 06:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Though the NPOV tag was removed because this isn't an ongoing debate, I think there are still some issues with peacock terms in the Internationalism section. It seems like it's mainly designed to brag about how international the IA is.  I'm going to go through it to look for that stuff, but if anyone else wants to help please do so. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Note about consortium districts
The IA website isn't exactly an updated source with regard to consortium districts. For example, with IA West, it still has Fenton and Holly listed, but Fenton pulled out of the consortium two years ago to start its own program, while Holly has nothing about the IA on their website. Similarly, there is nothing current on the Waterford website or the Avondale website about the IA. It is a better idea to look on school district websites than rely upon what the IA has listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.215.249.246 (talk) 23:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

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