Talk:International Commerce Centre

Name
It is now called International Finance Building Number Two. Number one is a similar but half-sized building next to it.--Anthony.bradbury 12:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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Current progress
So where do you get this current progress data? Is there a source (please cite), or is it just local knowledge? --Siipikarja ♫ 13:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

250px wide picture in the infobox makes the infobox render over the gallery section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siipikarja (talk • contribs) 13:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 05:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Floor count
The floor count is 108, not 118. Developers prefer to increase some values at their website. Donald Trump also decleares the Trump World Tower with 90 stories and not 72, although 72 is correct. CTBUH has got elevation drawings which show 108 floors. Jerchel (talk) 15:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Disagree, nowhere on the official Trump World Tower website has stated 90 stories. "Developers prefer to increase some values at their website", that's just based on your personal opinion. An official website is more reliable than CTBUH. Towerblock (talk) 15:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I would say that blueprints are more reliable than anything other. Just read the article about Trump World Tower; the elevator shows 90 floors but that's false. In fact, ICC has 108 floors and not 118. Jerchel (talk) 16:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Why would you think that blueprints are more reliable than anything other? Apart from the CTBUH website, do you have anything to support your claim? Towerblock (talk) 17:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Fortunately I know a person from the CTBUH who is managing the datas. I requested that a few months ago. CTBUH confirmed that the building has 108 floors according to the blueprints and their measuring rules. I suppose that the 118 floor count is including some basement floors or something other. The number of stories above ground is 108, might be that 118 is the total number. The Burj Khalifas floor-count is officialy 163 according to the blueprints, the total numer of all (also levels which are not useable) is at least 189. Jerchel (talk) 18:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

This is all about your own words, we need reliable sources. So except the unofficial CTBUH, do you have any reliable sources to support yourself? Towerblock (talk) 11:56, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Now I have requested that at CTBUH. My friend there has sent me some blueprints. Those blueprints show in fact 118 floors, but the first floor above the ground is considered floor number 10. So that means that building has 108 actual floors. If you would like, I send those blueprints to you. Jerchel (talk) 15:17, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, please send to me, thanks. Also isn't the floor count should be the whole building, no matter it's below ground or whatever. Cheers Towerblock (talk) 15:44, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You still have not send me the blueprints. If the blueprints showed 118 floors, which means 118-storey building, no matter it's below ground or above the ground. Towerblock (talk) 12:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Firest, I need your mail adress. Second, the first floor is considered floor 10, although it's the FIRST! Jerchel (talk) 16:49, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding to the number of floor count but not the height of the building, the basement floors should also be counted. Towerblock (talk) 10:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, those basement floors do not existst. The first floor is the tenth. The floors 1-9 do not exisist. Those levels below ground had never counted, I suppose that are two or three and not ten. If you want include them, then write: Floors: above ground: 108; below ground: 3 (or whatever is correct). Jerchel (talk) 12:58, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You said those blueprints showed in fact 118 floors, but now you say there are two or three floors and not ten? So you must upload the blueprints onto the article to show us what it is. And I can't understand why the below ground levels are not to be counted? Towerblock (talk) 14:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

The below ground floors never counted to a highrise. When you live in the second floor of a highrise, that would mean that you live below ground. I said that the blueprints show numbers of the floors and last floor is considered the 118th floor. But by looking down, I noted that the actual first floor is decleared as floor 10. The floors 1 until 9 are missing. The below ground floors have other names like "level B3" or so. Jerchel (talk) 19:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

CTBUH may have outdated data, also can you please provide reliable sources proving the first 10 floors are missing. Towerblock (talk) 02:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No it is not outdated. Request at CTBUH if you don't belive. I do not have premission to send you blueprints. If you would like to see them request this at Marshall Germometta of CTBUH. He has blueprints of the building. The floor number is 108, 118 is listed in the building, but this is not the real number. Trump also claims that Trump World Tower has 90 stories (the elevator plan lists 90 too), but there are only 72 floors above ground. So most developers are cheating with the numbers. The first 10 floors of ICC are missing, so the first floor is called floor 10. They call it floor 10 because the height of this level would be a tenth floor in a normal highrise with a shorter lobby. Jerchel (talk) 15:30, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

you need to provide reliable sources to prove it rather than just make an uncertain explanation here, please do so. Towerblock (talk) 15:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I added the links in the box; if you belive them or not is not important and not relevant. Owners or developers like Ritz Carlton and Trump are well known in cheating the ACTUAL numbers, but they don't make the measuring rules. Just don't belive anything they report without thinking logical about things. Jerchel (talk) 15:42, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Request the blueprints from Marshall Gerometta at CTBUH. His mailadress is mgerometta@ctbuh.org. Jerchel (talk) 15:44, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

We need to prove it by references, not request it from third party, it needs to prove to everyone. Towerblock (talk) 15:55, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't upload the blueprints he once sended to me here. I do not have the premission. That's the problem. A solution would be to write in the article that developer claims to tower consists 118 floors but the "real" number is 108, like in the article Trump World Tower. I also explained the situation in German Wikipedia why 108 is correct and why sometimes 118 is used. Jerchel (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Ritz Carlton
hmm I did not even know that "6 star" was a designation for hotels.


 * The site for the hotel does talk about something called "OZONE at 118/F" however it's very unclear what this is and all the other data indicates the top floor is 108, so adjusted all 118 references to be consistent with the other data. If there is some actual support for the 118th floor please supply and revert my edit. Lycurgus (talk) 17:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, this page says OZONE is on 118, the compare tab on this page suggests there are hotel rooms up to 117, and this page is about a spa on 116. No mention of other amenities such as a swimming pool or a 30,000 sq ft Presidential Suite - the largest suite seems to be the 4,000 sq ft Ritz Carlton Suite, but maybe you have to apply to be told about a presidential suite (or maybe it doesn't exist at all). Astronaut (talk) 11:57, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 February 2012
it says "is a108 floor.." but it has 118 floors right?

Plophk (talk) 02:35, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The current sources agree that there are 108 floors. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 06:31, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Add Criticism Section
Every year, Hong Kong becomes uglier. Mutant-Americans may be responsible for attempts to graffiti the auto-free city. There should be a section in the article describing some of the criticism of the design and exposing some of the deliberate attempts to graffiti Hong Kong through deliberately bad construction in recent years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.109.2.24 (talk) 14:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Removing semiprotection
I am removing the semiprotection of this article. Let's see what happens. Olivier (talk) 18:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is becoming another commercial website.
The article dedicates a disproportionate amount of its sections to a commercial hotel in the building.

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