Talk:International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

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There is no clear, comprehensive list of all the rights listed! For those who would like an overview before researching the finer points (such as the structure of the covenent), the article is confusing. Can this be remedied? I don't see how this article could ever be a good article if it doesn't even include every article of the convenent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.81.67.178 (talk) 03:18, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

GA nomination
Hi, I saw that this was nominated for a Good Article review. Although I don't have time to do a full review, I wanted to mention a few things that would hold the article back during a review:


 * 1) The article needs to be thoroughly sourced. Currently, there are statements (including entire paragraphs) without references. This also includes quotations, which always need to be referenced.
 * 2) References need to be placed after punctuation. Most of them are placed before punctuation right now (and, at the end of the "United States Position" section, there is no punctuation at all).
 * 3) Section headers are improperly capitalized. Unless they are proper nouns, words in section headers (except the first word, of course) should not be capitalized. For example: "United States Position" should be "United States position".
 * 4) The reference list should not be a scrolling list (see Citing sources).
 * 5) I think the "Reservations" section would work better as prose.

I hope this feedback helps. If you have a chance to work on these before a reviewer comes along, it should speed up the process. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 19:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback. I've done 3 and 4, and worked on punctuation around references.  I'm not so sure about 5; there's a lot of information, and it would read like a pig.


 * I'll add more references in, since there are a couple of spaces shich could use them, but the "summary" and "reservations" section each cite a single document (the convention text and the ratlist respectively), with the summary section making it clear in the text exactly which subsection it is referring to. I could footnote every line with a generic "Ibid", but it would be both ugly and redundant. IdiotSavant (talk) 21:06, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Genesis
On the "Genesis" part, although everything that is written is accurate, i feel that there are other aspects that should be at least ackowledged in some way. Specially, it should be noted that the rights listed on the ICESCR have its roots on socialist criticism of the first human rights as the rights of the new ruling class (see Marx "on the jewish question" for the most influential paper on that) because they didn't see men as concrete beings living in an unequal world in terms of resources distribution. The importance of that origin cannot be minimized once we put the two covenants on the context of the cold war. Right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.21.130.1 (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you are correct. As I understand the history, ICESCR was pressed for by the Soviet block as a quid pro quo for accepting the western supported International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. --Rumping (talk) 01:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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