Talk:International R series

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That was me at '68.148.233.156'. I thought I was logged in but apparently not. AMCKen (talk) 19:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

"International" brand
Trucks built by "International Harvester Company" (and "Navistar") are branded "International". This is true from at least 1914, the name may have been in use by 1908. explains the brand name in the first paragraph of the second page. Seventy-five years of "International Harvester Company" brochures for "International" trucks are here:

There is a discussion about all International/International Harveste brands at " "Are International Harvester trucks branded "International"?. Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 15:39, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

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In the real world these trucks are named "International" without the word "Harvester"
The International Harvester Company manufactured and sold these trucks as "International R-110" in 1952 and "International® R-200 Series in 1956.

International Harvester Co. has told the public that they have sold trucks under the "International" name since 1914 in 1947 (p. 2), 1961 (p. 2), and 1976 (pp. 14-15, 18-26). An editor might think that one of the world's largest truck manufacturers would know the registered trademark brand name that they sell those trucks under. International Harvester Co. should at the very least be a source for WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Probably WP:COMMONNAME too, most automobile and truck articles use the vehicle's official name.

This box has published sources for the WP:COMMONNAME being "International":

Here is a simple search: This link is to a run-of-the mill commercial truck sales site. There are plenty of them, choose any that sells used trucks. Search "Select a make" for "International". What do professionals who buy and sell trucks call them?

Look at the cowl of any truck image in the article. Do you see the word "International"? Do you see the word "Harvester"?

This article was created with a made-up (probably accidently, the lead uses "International") name with no source. As of today the only WP:RELIABLE source says "International".

Right now Wikipedia is saying (not as bad here as other places) that "International Harvester" is both the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAMES for these trucks when WP:RELIABLE show that neither is true. A Wikipedia-specific made-up name is presented as a common fact'.

Some editors do not believe that the sources above are WP:RELIABLE for WP:COMMONNAME and/or WP:OFFICIALNAMES and have opposed any name-changes. All have been shown most of these sources.

"Harvester" it is. 00:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)Sammy D III (talk)

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