Talk:International Style

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I'm not sure exactly how "International style" is used in English, but, according to my Swedish language sources, the term was originally used for functionalist architecture during the 20s and 30s, but today instead refers to the architecture that spread internationally after WW2 and became the dominant style during the period 1950-70. So, if this applies to the English language as well, this article should deal with Le Corbusiers buildings in Marseille and India; Niemeyers in Brasilia; the UN HQ, etc. The information present in the article now should then be moved to Functionalism (architecture). Note: In a Swedish context, within the field of history of architecture, "funktionalism" refers to a style in architecture in Sweden during the 30s and only during that period. Swedes in general, on the other hand, tends to call whatever they intepret as "modern architecture" "funktionalism" or, in everyday usage, just "''funkis". / Mats Halldin 14:25, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Edit this city
I can't possibly edit this article! Modern design -- stemming from the vaguely idealistic Mies and Co. and breeding like pod people all the way down to the direct insult of Ikea -- is chiefly responsible for the miserable, unlivable cities we of the 21st Century have inherited from the 20th.

I can't edit this article; but you can, perhaps. And if you're thinking it might be entirely within our guidelines to balance the tolerant worship of this page with a little criticism from respected sources (you'll find a great deal of it), then I won't revert it. John Reid 11:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Seconded. The logical fallacy of form follows function is an example of where this type of architecture goes horribly wrong --Cnadolski 04:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

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International style (architecture) International Style
Shouldn't this article be entitled International Style? The term is a proper noun, coined in 1932 by Phillip Johnston and Henry-Russel Hitchcock for their exhibition and book, and it is clear that it was intended as a title for a particular bounded body of architecture rather than as a mere descriptive. Moreover, is invariably rendered as "International Style" in architectural literature. If the new capitalisation is agreed upon, the "(architecture)" suffix becomes redundant and can also be removed.FrFintonStack (talk) 23:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Consedering the move to International Style; I am against moving Mach10 (talk)


 * What's your reasoning?FrFintonStack (talk) 16:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose - as that would give it a name which was only distinguished by case from the dab page at International style. Keith D (talk) 00:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well what about International Style (architecture) then?86.0.203.120 (talk) 21:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you cite sources using the capital S? Dekimasu よ! 00:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Outcome
No consensus to move. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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Use of capitals for subject title 'International Style' (architecture)
I'm surprised that the previous discussion of this topic resulted in the outcome: 'no consensus to move'(to capitalising the 's' in 'style').

The main objector to changing to the capitalisation could only, in the end, ask for any example of the use of the capitalisation in the literature in defence of his/her position. In fact, there is almost complete consensus in the literature about capitalising the 's'. Try Taschen, for instance; try your rival Britannica; try almost any Google of the subject, or any Google of any book on the subject.

As a point of grammar: the word 'style' is a part of the name of the architectural movement - hence International Style. The movement is not named 'International', and as the word 'style' is a part of the movement's actual name, it is, as had been stated in the previous discussion, a proper noun AND a title (and proper nouns and titles are capitalised in the grammar). If there is no consensus on this it is only because some of those debating the issue do not know their English grammar. The title, therefore, should read 'International Style', and as long as Wikipedia do not use the capitalisation it is in error. Hughes Hall (talk) 10:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughes Hall (talk • contribs) 19:11, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Lists and Le Corbusier
In my edit earlier I sought to put the lists in rational order (alphabetical or chronological as appropriate). I opted for Le Corbusier under "L" on the basis that that in toto was his chosen name, rather than "Corbusier". But if there is a consensus for "C", please revert - I will not complain!

(and my vote would be for "Style") Davidships (talk) 19:04, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I have a few architectural books that refer to Le Corbusier in their indexes, listing him under 'L' only. e.g 'Le Corbusier Tragic View of Architecture' by Charles Jencks. Fine book, by the way. Hughes Hall (talk) 08:54, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: Moved as suggested.  Sandstein   12:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

International style (architecture) → International Style (architecture) – Per the previous move request from 2008 and several comments above, the term is a proper noun. It is how it appears in Hitchcock&Johnson, Britannica and the Encyclopedia of 20th Century Architecture. Should actually be uncontroversial, but a previous move to "Style" in 2006 has been reverted, and the request above opposed (both without reasoning), therefore making this formal request. ELEKHHT 21:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree, that's they way I have usually seen it, as opposed to some other styles which are ad-hoc, and indeed this may be the exception since it was intended from the beginning by its founders to be a style. Just did a quick check in my library of four books with these results: David Handlin's American Architecture, Kenneth Frampton's Modern Architecture: A Critical History and William J.R. Curtis's Modern Architecture Since 1900 all use the capitalized version, while NOT using it on others (e.g. Romanesque Revival style). The lone dissenter seems to be Macalister, but theirs was a general treatise on American domestic architecture, where the International Style wasn't particularly predominant. Again, it is an unusual case of a proper noun (when compared to other styles), but given its historical circumstances, it nevertheless is the case. Morgan Riley (talk) 22:17, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Those are very good books you have, thanks for the further research and explanation. -- ELEKHHT 23:05, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
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Gropius and "International Style"
This article, Introduction, para 2, last sentence: "Previous uses of the term in the same context can be attributed to Walter Gropius in Internationale Architektur, and Ludwig Hilberseimer in Internationale neue Baukunst.[2]" - cited to Panayotis Tournikiotis, "The Historiography of Modern Architecture".

But according to his wife, quoted in the British periodical 'Design' in 1974, Gropius did not "use the term in the same context", and this should not be attributed to him:

"Ise Gropius attacks ‘stylists’

Ise Gropius attacked the way in which the so called ‘international style’ became part of the language of modern architecture and design in a lecture delivered while she was in Britain last month. In doing so she made some penetrating criticisms of the attitudes of both Philip Johnson and Russel Hitchcock. She said, ‘This terrible misnomer was invented by Philip Johnson and Russel Hitchcock after they visited the Bauhaus in Dessau as very young men. They found that the School had published a book by Gropius called “International Architecture” which was a far cry from “International Style”. ‘It only showed’, Mrs Gropius continued, ‘international examples of contemporary architecture by people with the most diverse design principles. All that united them was an honest approach to the solution of contemporary building problems and Gropius had meant to help their efforts with this publication. He had no idea that this would be distorted into a “style” idea which he had always opposed." Design, issue 304, April 1974, p18, News Ed. Conn Hughes Stanton, published by the Design Council, London.

I would suggest that this reference be removed, or, at the very least, qualified by the addition of this sentence : "(although his wife stated that Gropius did not use use the term in this context, and was personally opposed to such a concept)", with a citation to the above. Robocon1 (talk) 14:44, 2 December 2013 (UTC) I agree - they have been removed; but most importantly, the references used in support of the claim were incorrect.--TTKK (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Changing the tone of the article
I had noted some excellent points above about the tone of this article. The term "International Style" can be traced to a specific event, an exhibition in 1935. The term "international style" is little used these days, and often a pejorative sense. The style of architecture referred to is more often called simply 'modernist architecture', though also often 'functionalism'. I have re-written the first half of the article to give more emphasis to the original source of the term, the exhibition and book, including the buildings featured in them. With the exception of the section on Israel, I feel the sections that follow, on Europe, North American and elsewhere, are quite basic, at best.--TTKK (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Cover photo change
I suggest changing the photo of the cover of the magazine "International Style" to a building that exemplifies the style. This is the format that is used in virtually all other pages regarding architectural styles and makes it easier for the reader. But I know that if I find a building I think shows the style clearly, it might not mean the same thing to another person. Thus, I would like to open a discussion regarding a building that truly shows the International Style and deserves to be at the very top of this page. Thank you. Laurelpeter122 (talk) 15:51, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for reporting. I have tagged it as dead. Keith D (talk) 13:10, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 12 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 05:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

International Style (architecture) → International Style – The architectural meaning of International Style is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The disambiguation page should include a disambiguator in the title. PhotographyEdits (talk) 07:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   20:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose ambiguous In ictu oculi (talk) 07:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @In ictu oculi Of course, it has a disambiguation page. But that is in itself not a reason to keep the current situation. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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 * Support: unless I'm reading things wrong, the architecture article gets over 100 times as many views as all the others combined. That seems to fit the definition of a primary topic.  Lithopsian (talk) 20:46, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * where are you seeing this?—blindlynx 21:06, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * One way is |International_Style_(dance)|International_style_(art)|International_Style_waltz|The_International_Style here —  AjaxSmack 03:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * International Gothic (where International style (art) redirects) has averaged 68 vpd this year, vs 330-odd for the architecture. But this will only be called "international style" once the context has been established, I think. Johnbod (talk) 15:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note the lowercase "s" (WP:DIFFCAPS) and the total absence of the term "International Style" in that article. That's not even to a WP:PRITOP here. (Not that I'm saying you think so.) jlwoodwa (talk) 21:47, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. But should it be at lowercase ""?  —  AjaxSmack  03:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and Lithopsian, and certainly keep the caps. Johnbod (talk) 04:13, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination (with caps). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 05:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)