Talk:International Technological University

Reconstructing This Article
I have become a participant on WikiProject Universities. I hope that by joining that project page, other editors that are more experienced in the subject of university article writing will help make our page the best it can be. I have some content that I hope can be discussed openly and that other editors that have been active on this page will help to provide constructive edits and tips as is the nature of Wikipedia.

Also, I'd like to request that a Template:Under construction be placed on the article as the information is being updated.

Ituhubert (talk) 16:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please discuss major changes here before updating the article. Thank you. jfeise (talk) 17:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've posted two different sections "History" and "Campus" for editors to review. I would like to update the article with this content in the next few days if possible. I hope that there can be some discussion before the change is made. Also, I would like to archive the Talk page, specifically the disruptive talk before this section. If there are no disagreements, then I'll archive to help maintain the cleanliness and organization of this talk page. Ituhubert (talk) 18:29, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Archiving now would, I think, be welcomed by all. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:41, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Proposed "History" Content
Here is the proposed content for the History section. I invite other editors to help edit and find reliable sources for this section. I hope that others can provide constructive tips and contribute to make this the best content. If there aren't any suggested changes, then I would like to publish the content to the main page in the next few days. Before I publish it, I'd really appreciate some feedback on how to improve it.

International Technological University (ITU) was founded in 1994 by Professor Shu-Park Chan, former Dean of the Engineering School, at Santa Clara University, where he served for 30 years, awarded SCU's first Endowed Chair appointment and presently holds honorary Professor Emeritus status. Regarded as a “founding father of Silicon Valley hi-tech engineering education”, Chan was the first Asian-American to serve on the Fulbright Scholarship Board under President George H.W. Bush. Chan’s goal in founding ITU was to bridge the gap in technology education between the United States and China, as well as other developing nations, by providing graduate education programs in the fields of engineering, business administration, media/entertainment, interdisciplinary sciences, health and individual performance. In 2011, upon Dr, Chan’s retirement, Yau-Gene Chan, Professor of Digital Arts, was appointed President. Ituhubert (talk) 20:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Updated the article with this content. Ituhubert (talk) 17:15, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Mateinsixtynine you removed "Regarded as a “founding father of Silicon Valley hi-tech engineering education”, Chan was the first Asian-American to serve on the Fulbright Scholarship Board under President George H.W. Bush. Chan’s goal in founding ITU was to bridge the gap in technology education between the United States and China , as well as other developing nations, by providing graduate education programs in the fields of engineering, business administration, media/entertainment, interdisciplinary sciences, health and individual performance. ". Could you please discuss here why you removed it? If there is not reason, then I'd like to revert the changes. Ituhubert (talk) 00:30, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You may want to check the archived discussion. Orlady pointed out to your sockpuppet Orientalsoul that this stuff might qualify for an article about Mr. Chan, not for the ITU article. And in light of the sockpuppet investigation, you really should avoid editing this article. Thank you. jfeise (talk) 01:41, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed "Campus" Content
Here is the proposed content for the "Campus" section. As before, I invite other editors to please come and edit this information before it goes live on the article page:

3.0 Campus ITU is located in Downtown San Jose, the central business district of San Jose, California, United States, directly across from the Adobe Systems headquarters complex. The city of San Jose is located in the southern Santa Clara County, and considered part of Silicon Valley, a leading hub for high-tech innovation and development, and venture capital activity. The campus is a two-story, 30,000 sq. ft building. The university is located east of various public transportation outlets such as Diridon Station (San Jose’s local Caltrain station), San Fernando (VTA) Light Rail Station, the 87 freeway, and north of the I-280 freeway. The campus offers classrooms (ranging in capacity from 20 to 200 students), a student lounge, a basketball court, two large conference rooms, as well as faculty and staff offices.

3.1 University Laboratories The university operates laboratories in the following areas: Artificial Intelligence/Robotics, Green Energy, and Bioelectronics staffed by faculty and graduate students of the Department of Electrical Engineering (EE). The SAP Laboratory operated by the Department of Business Administration, serves as an SAP training center for the region. ITU is a member of the SAP University Alliance Program. The University also operates a joint laboratory with Peking University’s School of Bioelectronics through its Artificial Intelligence/Robotics Laboratory.

3.2 Kryterion Testing Center On campus is the Kryterion Testing Center which is a distraction-free area which allows students to take tests and certificate exams in a wide range of fields and professions. ITU’s center is the only such facility in San Jose. It also includes a facilities for the Pearson Vue testing services. Ituhubert (talk) 01:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Updated the article with this content. Ituhubert (talk) 17:15, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Mateinsixtynine I noticed that you removed content regarding the Kryterion Testing Center from this section. Could you please give a reason for why you believe that it is "fluff"? The testing center is hosted on our campus, and is considered part of the university. Also, in the future, I would appreciate if we could discuss on this Talk page any content considered inappropriate before its removal as good practice dictates according to Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you. Ituhubert (talk) 19:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, in light of the sockpuppet investigation, I suggest you hold off on any edits. You have a conflict of interest, and you appear to not have acted in good faith. jfeise (talk) 19:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand your concern, and I've done my best to explain to an admin regarding the accusation of sockpuppetry. I hope that rather than using the talkpage to dispute unrelated details to this article, that you may instead provide suggestions on how to improve the removed content.  You may e-mail me from my user page if you would like to find out more regarding the sockpuppetry investigation.  You can see from my past activity that I do openly operate under undisclosed coi, and hope that you also realize that in our interactions I have done my best to act in good faith with a neutral point of view. I appreciate any suggestions on improving or changes if anything I post seems biased. Ituhubert (talk) 19:56, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, your sockpuppet Orientalsoul, quite frankly, did not act in good faith, in particular concerning me. As for emailing you, I won't. If you have something to say regarding the sockpuppetry investigation, please do it in the open. As of now, I strongly suggest you hold off on any edits of this article. You are having a conflict of interest. jfeise (talk) 20:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * To answer the question, there's nothing special about the Kryterion testing center. A quick check shows there's 28 of them in California alone.  Being a college, there should be a place to take exams anyways, unless its Tri-Valley.  Mateinsixtynine (talk) 20:29, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If you check the Kryterion http://www.kryteriononline.com/host_locations/index.asp, we are the only testing center of the sort that offers the types of exams in San Jose. I believe that this is substantial news that can be verified through a secondary source.  Also, it is part of the university so should be included as part of our campus. It's not a regular testing center that most other universities should have.  Kryterion testing and the certificate exams offered must be earned through technical and facility requirements which ITU has passed (http://www.kryteriononline.com/test_centers/become_a_test_center/Host_Location_Requirements.pdf).  Ituhubert (talk) 22:55, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Mateinsixtynine, I will be reverting your changes. "directly across from the Adobe Systems headquarters complex. The city of San Jose is located in the southern Santa Clara County, and considered part of Silicon Valley, a leading hub for high-tech innovation and development, and venture capital activity." and "The university is located east of various public transportation outlets such as Diridon Station (San Jose’s local Caltrain station), San Fernando (VTA) Light Rail Station, the 87 freeway, and north of the I-280 freeway" are all factual and can be proven easily through Google Maps. Also, a few other university's feature detailed information regarding their locale such as The Art Institute of California – San Francisco. If there is a better way to write this, then I'd appreciate any pointers. Otherwise, I will be reverting the changes. Ituhubert (talk) 00:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I changed the department name in PKU but was not signed in. Ituhubert (talk) 22:46, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposed "Student Life" Content
Here is the proposed content for the ITU Student Life section.

7 Student Life 7.1 Activities and events 7.2 ITU Journal 7.3 ITU Cares 7.4 Student Services

7.1 Activities & Events Students at ITU engage in activities ranging from dance, basketball, bowling, ping pong, pool and cricket. Students, faculty and staff organize and participate in diverse holiday and cultural celebrations.

7.2 ITU Journal Collaboratively, students, staff and faculty contribute to the quarterly newsletter called the ITU Journal. Articles, editorials and conference papers are submitted according to areas of interest.

7.3 ITU Cares ITU Cares is an organization that provides community services locally and globally such as blood and food drives and clothing donations. In May 2011, ITU Cares collaborated with the American Red Cross (Sunnyvale Chapter) and the Consulate-General of Japan in San Francisco, to raise donations from staff and student groups of approximately $9,000 for Japan during the [2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami] disaster.

7.4 Student Services The Student and Career Services Center supports students in identifying and planning for internships with local and national hi-tech companies. Such internships are an integral part of ITU’s educational program. Through Curricular Practical Training (CPT) internships, students are provided supervised professional experiences related to their fields of study. The Student and Career Services Center provides placement support, including interviewing skills development, resume preparation and career counseling. ITU’s weekly Joint Seminar Series invites guest speakers from diverse Silicon Valley industries, such as Cisco Systems and Infinera Corporation to speak on various subjects such as technology, healthcare and business development. ITU’s Good Neighbor Program offers special pricing and discounts from nearby merchants and service providers. Ituhubert (talk) 23:41, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * In light of the confirmed sock-puppetry (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Ituhubert) I suggest you hold off on any further edits. jfeise (talk) 01:07, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I am currently trying to contact the administrators in charge of this investigation to discuss the accusation. For the time being, the block was lifted allowing me to edit.  I do appreciate any suggestions/rewrites from other editors to make the tone of the content more neutral if it is not.  In the meantime, I will post this content as it has been on the talk page for a while now.  Ituhubert (talk) 19:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please discuss the sockpuppet stuff on the appropriate page in the open. And please refrain from posting to this article since you have a conflict of interest. Thank you. jfeise (talk) 19:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree there's no need to bring up the sockpuppetry here, and the focus should be on content. I have updated the "Student Services" information to sound more neutral: The Student and Career Services Center supports students in identifying and planning for internships with local and national hi-tech companies.  Such internships are an integral part of ITU’s educational program. ITU’s Good Neighbor program is the university discount program for students and staff of the university. . Jfeise, which parts do you think are inappropriate, and how can I improve it? Ituhubert (talk) 20:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please keep advertising off this page. Thank you. jfeise (talk) 20:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't see how what was posted is advertising? It simply states student-based services provided by the university. University's such as California State Polytechnic University, Pomona, have also posted content regarding their student life.  Can you please help point out the difference in our content so that we may better improve it? Ituhubert (talk) 21:14, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It may belong on the organization's website, but not in this article. And other universities don't edit the Wikipedia articles about them. So, not only is it advertising, you also have a conflict of interest here. And further, you are stating that your account is a role account, that you are acting on behalf of your organization, which is not allowed according to Wikipedia rules. jfeise (talk) 21:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Declaring_an_interest, it is allowed so let's please drop that issue. Talk pages are meant for content, and you are creating clutter by including this and your sockpuppetry claims.  If you have any issue with my account, please discuss with me on my Talk page. At this time, I still don't see how the content violates any wikipedia policies.  I'd also like to say further that if you continue removing content without discussing, then I will seek further administrator intervention to regulate your disruptive behavior. I have already posted the content for weeks before migrating it to the live article, please stop your contentious and disruptive editing habits. Ituhubert (talk) 22:02, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You have nowhere declared a conflict of interest. I am only inferring it from your user name. And the sockpuppet investigation showed that you were a sockmaster. It is you who is not acting in good faith. It is you who played the good guy/bad guy routine by having your sockpuppet Orientalsoul attacking me. You need to stop this. You are not acting in good faith. You have a conflict of interest and should not edit this article. jfeise (talk) 22:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And the answers from admins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Coren#You.27ve_Got_Mail.21) don't mean that you can push advertising now. jfeise (talk) 23:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have updated my Ituhubert user page to reflect my identity. If you could just discuss which parts of the content I posted you have a problem with, we could utilize this talk page for what it is meant for which is identifying problematic content, and working to get consensus on what is appropriate information to post. I'll state that I am learning about about the guidelines.  I see from the College & University Article Guidelines that perhaps the activities and events can be removed.  However, I believe that the ITU Cares and Student Services sections are both notable subjects. What do you think?Ituhubert (talk) 08:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It still is advertising. Please do not add this. Thank you. jfeise (talk) 17:57, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * jfeise you don't offer any support at all, you only remove without clear explanation for why. This is clearly disruptive editing and vandalism.  I'm only trying to post what is fact, and not advertise.  If you can rewrite rather than blatantly remove, then that would help; however, you continue to revert without a though.  I think that a third-party arbitrator is necessary as this issue doesn't seem to be making any progress, and I can only see this turning into a revert war. Ituhubert (talk) 18:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have told you several times that you have a conflict of interest, which you confirmed with your admission that you work for ITU, and because of that you should really abstain from editing this article, in particular you should not put advertising material in it. You can put all that stuff on the ITU website. It doesn't belong here. jfeise (talk) 18:36, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As I have also stated before, disclosed COI is not against wikipedia's policies, also you've failed to explain how this is advertising. For [], they mention a great deal regarding their Student Life. I don't understand how this is any different. Otherwise, it would be helpful if you could provide examples of Student Life that is appropriate.  Again, I've structured the content according to College & University Article Guidelines. Ituhubert (talk) 19:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

(indentation reset) Even if a disclosed COI isn't against policies per se, you didn't disclose your COI until very recently, and the policy requires that somebody with a COI is very careful to avoid bias. This proposed addition to the article amounts to advertising, and should not be in the article. jfeise (talk) 05:53, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I am still learning. I only recently realized I needed to clearly state my undisclosed COI. I thought that having "ITU" in my username would be sufficient indication. I'd also like to refocus your talk page comments on the content (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Good_practices) and not on me. Thank you. Ituhubert (talk) 23:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This proposed content is still advertising, regardless if it comes from you or somebody else. Coming from somebody affiliated with the organization makes it worse, of course. jfeise (talk) 16:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Accuracy of the word unaccredited.
I suggest that the word unaccredited (in the first sentence of the introduction) be changed to pre-accredited. It is more accurate due to the classification of WASC's Candidacy Status with the DOE. Links are already provided in the same paragraph.Wavehello (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I must disagree. Until the university is accredited, it should remain listed as unaccredited.  However, a mention of it being in candidacy status is mentioned in the first paragraph and under the accreditation section.  Finally, I did find a mention of the university being previously accredited by ACICS, which the chronicle article also mentioned.  I have no idea how good the source is though, but it is not affiliated with the university.   Mateinsixtynine (talk) 03:54, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * As it is community maintained, I do not think that the "Find the Data" source would be considered as reliable as the U.S. Department of Education's listing of accreditation statuses for universities. Candidates for WASC accreditation are considered to be preaccredited by the DOE. ITU has been granted Candidacy status by WASC. ITU is listed as being pre-accredited on the DOE website. Please let me know if these first and second sources clarify your disagreement on this change.Wavehello (talk) 08:42, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * How is this handled on other Wikipedia articles about institutions that are candidates for accreditation? jfeise (talk) 15:37, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * WASC currently has nine universities in Candidacy status . Of these, only three have statements regarding their status with WASC.


 * The page on Sanford-Burnham Medical Research Institute states:
 * Sanford-Burnham is currently seeking accreditation with the Western Association of Schools and Colleges.
 * The page on Providence Christian College states:
 * The college is a member of the International Association for the Promotion of Christian Higher Education and has applied for accreditation by the Western Association of Schools and Colleges. In February 2009, the college was recognized by the WASC commission as a Candidate for Accreditation by the Accrediting Commission for Senior Colleges and Universities.
 * Neither state their accreditation status in the introductory text, nor do they have an entire section on their accreditation status as the ITU page does.


 * After reading these, my recommendation on the introductory paragraph is to either remove unaccredited or change it to preaccredited. On the section regarding Accreditation, I would recommend that it be stated more succinctly in a similar neutral fashion as SBMR and PCC. Here is a proposal:
 * ITU is currently seeking accreditation with the Western Association of Schools and Colleges. In June 2011, the university was recognized by the WASC commission as a Candidate for Accreditation by the Accrediting Commission for Senior Colleges and Universities.
 * Wavehello (talk) 00:20, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Made the edit. If there is any further disagreement, please discuss here prior to reverting. Thanks. Wavehello (talk) 20:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Neither of the examples listed use "pre-accredited". So, that term should not be used. jfeise (talk) 21:39, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * True, but it is the designation provided by the U.S. Department of Education. Since the DOE provides regulations that CHEA implements and WASC must follow, it should probably be verified for the other two universities and updated as well.Wavehello (talk) 22:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have no objection with removing "unaccredited" in the opening, if the information about accreditation is kept. The DOE link also mentions the university being previously accredited by ACICS (2001-2004), which is definitely a much better source. Mateinsixtynine (talk) 03:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, as I look at the other pages again, I agree with both jfeise and Mateinsixtynine about removing the word preaccredited from the introduction as long as there is a section on accreditation. Edit made.Wavehello (talk) 20:13, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Introduction Section
After moving the accreditation statements to the accreditation section, the introduction is left with only one sentence. I will review other universities introductory sections and come up with a draft edit. I will post here for discussion shortly.Wavehello (talk) 20:27, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd like to revisit this introduction section or "lead". I've seen on other websites for example, from the CSU Fullerton website, they mention in their lead that they are nationally accredited:

California State University, Fullerton, commonly known as CSUF, CSU Fullerton, or Cal State Fullerton, is a public comprehensive university located in Fullerton, CA. With a total enrollment of 37,677,[3] it is the largest in the CSU, the largest comprehensive university in the State of California, and is the second largest university overall (just behind UCLA). The university offers over 240 degrees including 120 different Bachelor's degrees, 118 types of Master's degrees, 3 Doctoral degrees including a Doctor of Nursing and two Doctor of Education, and 19 teaching credentials.[4][5]

CSUF is designated both as a Hispanic-serving institution and an Asian American Native American Pacific Islander Serving Institution (AANAPISIs).[6] The university is nationally accredited in art, athletic training, business, chemistry, communications, communicative disorders, computer science, dance, engineering, music, nursing, public administration, public health, social work, teacher education and theater. The University contributes, on average, over $1 billion to the California and local economy, sustaining nearly 9,000 jobs statewide.[7] CSUF's athletic teams compete in Division I of the NCAA and are collectively known as the Cal State Fullerton Titans. They are members of the Big West Conference.


 * What if we included more text there so that there is more content there? Here's my proposed text:

International Technological University, or ITU, is a non-profit, private university located in San Jose, CA. The university currently offers degrees in Master's degrees in computer science, electrical engineering, computer engineering, digital arts, business administration, and engineering management. Doctoral degrees are offered in Business Administration and Electrical Engineering making ITU the first WASC accredited, non-profit university based in San Jose to grant the Ph.D., Doctor of Business Administration and Master’s degrees.


 * Feedback and constructive criticism to help shape this section are always welcome! It's not my intention to replicate the CSU Fullerton Introduction, but to use a good model in order to improve ours. I hope to hear back, otherwise, I will update with this proposed text in 24 hours.

Ituhubert (talk) 21:46, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The last half-sentence, starting with "making ITU the first WASC accredited" is, sorry to say, completely vacuous. In the text about CSU Fullerton that you quote, there is no reference to the accreditation agency at all. Accreditation by a recognized accreditation agency is what matters, not which one. Also, if you limit things arbitrarily, like region, accreditation agency, etc., you can always come up with "being the first." First on the block, first on the street, comes to mind. And finally, quoting from ITU's press release doesn't make things true to begin with. jfeise (talk) 22:37, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * This point is a fact and notable, therefore, should be mentioned. Not only that, but according to | Wikipedia:College and university article guidelines it states that university-published press releases are a reliable source. I don't see why ITU should be treated any differently. Also, to my knowledge, are no other private, non-profit universities in the San Jose area, which has the 3rd largest population in California, that offer WASC accredited Doctoral programs. I've checked a few other private universities on the WASC website to confirm and so far have found none.  Furthermore, WASC is one of the biggest accrediting agencies in the nation as they also accredit major institutions such as the UCs, California State Universities, and other universities along the Pacific Coast.  I think that this is notable, and should remain in the lead, or perhaps organized elsewhere. However, I would still like to hear what you have to offer in terms of rewriting the content rather than doing without it all together. Your comments seem biased as you seem to take the extreme measures of removing rather than improving.  I've tried to keep a positive and constructive dialogue with you, however, I should warn you that if you persist in this non-constructive path, then I will report you for disruptive editing.
 * Ituhubert (talk) 22:58, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Since you quote the CalState Fullerton Wikipedia page, CSUF is also the only university in Fullerton that offers doctoral degrees. Yet, that is not listed on the Wikipedia page for CSUF. Similarly, this is not noteworthy for ITU. And I suggest you stop trying to bully me. Your sockpuppet OrientalSoul seems to have gone back to that as well, under an IP address. jfeise (talk) 00:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * From what you've offered I'll try to change the "making ITU the first WASC accredited" phrase to sound more neutral, however, with your other comments I don't see how you've disproven that this is not noteworthy. Also, I don't believe that you did research regarding your previous statement declaring Fullerton as the only university in Fullerton that offers doctoral degrees. I searched the WASC website and found two. Either way, I don't appreciate that the accusations. Your unfounded accusations are an obstacle towards improving this article. How would you edit the content, or is your only criticism that particular statement?
 * Ituhubert (talk) 01:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * CSUF is the only university in Fullerton offering a wide range of doctoral degrees. I did my research on that.

As far as mentioning WASC or anyother accreditation agency is concerned, as was already mentioned in an edit comment on the ITU entry, being accredited is the norm, and is therefore not noteworthy at all. Not being accredited is noteworthy. And as far as accusations are concerned, you are obviously the pot calling the kettle black. I suggest your call back your sockpuppet and retract the harassment on my talk page. jfeise (talk) 01:47, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * So, in short, Wikipedia is still not for advertising. You can put that blurb of yours on the ITU website. That's where it may belong. It doesn't belong in a Wikipedia article. jfeise (talk) 02:02, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Might add in enrollment numbers. Tough to find any recent numbers for the school.  Mateinsixtynine (talk) 04:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion Mate. I'll see if I can find somewhere those numbers are posted and can be referenced. Jfeise, if CSUF is the only university in Fullerton that offers a wide range of doctoral degrees, then that is something noteworthy, and unique to the university. However, I cannot control what they post on their entry. Also, posting that ITU is "the only non-profit university that offers accredited Doctoral degrees" would be false information since WASC is not the only accreditation agency available. The entire "WASC Accredited" phrase is necessary to keep the statement true, and I still believe this is unique and noteworthy since WASC has such an extensive amount of accredited schools in the area. Additionally, if you view the entry for National Hispanic University:

The National Hispanic University (NHU) is a small, private university located in East San Jose, California. The university is nonsectarian and coeducational with 700 undergraduate students. Chartered by the state of California and accredited by the Western Association of Schools and Colleges, it is the foremost Hispanic-focused university in the United States.

You'll see that they also mention accreditation specifically by WASC in their introduction as well. As does Cogswell Polytechnical College:

Cogswell Polytechnical College is a private college located in Sunnyvale, California. It holds accreditation through the Western Association of Schools and Colleges (WASC).[2] Cogswell had a small student body of approximately 250 full-time and 80 part-time students in 2011.

Therefore, the norm for private colleges seems to be the mentioning of accreditation in the introduction. I have a new proposed lead below: International Technological University, or ITU, is a non-profit, private university located in San Jose, CA. Accredited by the Western Association of Schools and Colleges, ITU is currently the only non-profit institution in San Jose that offers WASC accredited doctoral degrees. The university currently offers six Master's degrees in computer science, electrical engineering, computer engineering, digital arts, business administration, and engineering management, and two Doctoral degrees in business administration and electrical engineering.

Jfeise, I feel like you persist to bring up unrelated and unfounded accusations to block my progress in improving this lead. I'm going to post this today, and I hope that we can avoid an editing war by settling the rest of the details in the talk page.

Ituhubert (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Jfeise, please substantiate your claim that including the university's claim to be the only WASC-accredited university in San Jose to offer PhD, DBA, and Master's degrees in the lead is "advertising." It's not the strongest or most interesting claim but if true then it seems like important information for readers to know about this university (assuming there are a multitude of universities and colleges in San Jose - are there?). ElKevbo (talk) 20:38, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, this makes it look as if this particular university is somehow special. First, there is an implication that being accredited by WASC is somehow "better" than accreditation by another accreditation agency. All that matters is that the institution is accredited by an accreditation agency recognized by the US DoE. No other Wikipedia page about universities that I know of even mentions the accreditation agency. Second, there are at least several universities and colleges in the Bay Area. It basically is one big area, and cities are pretty much just administrative entities. There are a number of universities and colleges in or near San Jose. Stanford University comes to mind, for example. San Jose State is another one I know of. And third, the claim may not be true, and has only been asserted in an ITU press release. jfeise (talk) 21:14, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * San Jose State and Stanford are both WASC certified too, Mateinsixtynine (talk) 22:06, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The correct statement is: "ITU is the first WASC accredited, non-profit university based in San Jose that is recognized to grant the Ph.D., Doctor of Business Administration and Master's degrees." I misspoke on the second edit, and should be "'first'" rather than "'only'", and it is only related to the Doctoral degrees. San Jose State University currently doesn't have any Doctoral degrees accredited by WASC . I also feel that it is necessary to mention the accreditation in the lead as it is a notable fact about the university, and was previously written as unaccredited . Ituhubert (talk) 22:14, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * ITU being the "first" is also just a claim, and not sourced. Further, as was mentioned in a comment earlier, accreditation is the norm, and is not notable. Not being accredited is notable. Here, accreditation would only be notable due to ITU having been non-accredited for a long time, so it is only notable in that context, and not in he context of offering degrees. And, as I have mentioned before, it is institutional accreditation, not degree accreditation. WASC doesn't accredit San Jose State degrees, they accredited the institution. jfeise (talk) 00:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Inconsistent?
The infobox now says that ITU is both a privately held company and a nonprofit organization. It is not possible to be both of these. Which is it? --Orlady (talk) 16:37, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Orlady, yes it is possible to be both, at least in the state of California: http://smallbusiness.chron.com/difference-between-public-private-nonprofit-organizations-26366.html. ITU has always been a private, non-profit. Ituhubert (talk) 16:41, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, many schools are private and non-profit, but "private" and "privately held company" are not the same thing. I'll fix the article. If this is a nonprofit, it cannot also be a privately held company. --Orlady (talk) 19:48, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification! (Previously unsigned) Ituhubert (talk) 18:53, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

New article about Shu-Park Chan
For the record, I started an article about the school's founder, Shu-Park Chan. It will soon be featured (for a few hours) on the main page in WP:DYK. --Orlady (talk) 15:50, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Remove Kryterion Testing Center
ITU no longer has the Kryterion Testing Center on its campus, so it should probably be removed: http://www.kryteriononline.com/host_locations/index.asp Ituhubert (talk) 23:14, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information. Removed that section. jfeise (talk) 00:10, 3 July 2013 (UTC)