Talk:International Union of Police Associations

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 * I've removed more content copy-pasted from their website. This article desperately needs reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Currently there are none. Huon (talk) 19:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm considering nominating this article for AfD. I need to do some more WP:BEFORE checks first, but on the basis of what I've seen so far, the reason there aren't a decent amount of reliable, independent sources in the article is that there aren't any. Marianna251TALK 21:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Probably a scam
My fiance saw their "Child Safe Kit" on Facebook ( https://iupa.org/?s=child+safety+kit ). She has been hassled by them since. Call almost every day. Just sent her an email saying they'd be coming to the house if she didn't respond--she's told them several times she changed her mind and doesn't want it. So I looked into this.

It's an insurance scam. They come to your house with the pretext of protecting children with this Police Union supported free kit and start hard-selling life insurance.

https://www.whattoexpect.com/forums/november-2014-babies/topic/is-child-safety-kit-a-scam.html

I saw this wikipedia article and though maybe it was legit for a while even after seeing the above. It looked very limited on information. Not anything like a real wikipedia article. So checked here and saw the commentary. It's clear they are using wikipedia to provide an air of authenticity. It shows up on the sidebar in a google search. If it's on wikipedia it much be legit, right?

The bellevue police department doesn't know anything about it and issued a warning: http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Police_Warn_Of_Child_Safe_Kit_Boxes_152824775.html

BBB gives them a one star rating: https://www.bbb.org/west-florida/business-reviews/soliciting-organizations/international-union-of-police-associations-in-sarasota-fl-90042832

The entry there has a first open date in 2008, NOT the 1970's.

There was a class action lawsuit: https://www.truthinadvertising.org/international-union-police-association-afl-cio/

So the whole thing boils down to an insurance sales gimmick. People give these people their information thinking it's to protect their children and they then hassle you endlessly until you buy insurance. Many of the reports are from people who were frightened by the behavior of the salesman that came surprisingly to their home at late hours.

Based on this information my belief is that the whole thing is a dangerous scam. I would suggest wikipedia moderators either remove this page entirely or rip them apart with the truth. Based on the commentary here it was just a copy/paste from their website--it's obviously another method to add the feeling of legitimacy so they can scam people out of their identities and money and they are doing this across the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.52.50.95 (talk) 01:03, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Organization
This article needs an explanation for who runs the union. How are they elected? Do they serve with pay? Do they serve at the pleasure of a board? How is the board elected? (This article ranks among the worst overall in Wikipedia.)C. Cerf (talk) 17:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * This was indeed a pretty poor article. Could you take another look? Maybe you could also help improve the sections that are not good enough. I'm still not happy with it myself, but multiple people looking at it probably help the quality a lot. At least it's something that you can find a head and tail in, now. effeietsanders 21:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

NPOV issue with article
American Police unions have long been controversial based on the belief by many police reform advocates that they protect "bad apples" and work to get get out of jail free cards for those guilty of police brutality and murder of unarmed suspects. This debate has become more prominent in the mainstream media as documented by the articles below. We need to a) rewrite this article so it doesn't read like it was written by a member of the organization itself and so it cover controversy over police unions positions, actions, etc, as they relate to this union group. See articles below: --Notcharliechaplin (talk) 01:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Why do police unions talk and act like the Mafia? How can we stop them? https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/police-unions-defend-brutality-george-floyd-protests-20200607.html
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/us/police-unions-minneapolis-kroll.html
 * https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/04/opinion/police-unions-must-police-their-members/
 * Bust the Police Unions to Rank and Yank Bad Cops https://www.wsj.com/articles/bust-the-police-unions-to-rank-and-yank-bad-cops-11591400622
 * Police unions present a significant hurdle in push for reforms https://www.startribune.com/police-unions-present-a-significant-hurdle-in-push-for-reforms/571075172/
 * There’s One Big Reason Why Police Brutality Is So Common In The US. And That’s The Police Unions. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/melissasegura/police-unions-history-minneapolis-reform-george-floyd\
 * Floyd killing shows police unions abuse power. We need radical reform: Former union lawyer https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/06/08/george-floyd-police-union-contracts-increase-racist-killings-column/3168157001/
 * As protests grow, big labor sides with police unions https://publicintegrity.org/inequality-poverty-opportunity/as-protests-grow-big-labor-sides-with-police-unions/
 * Police unions dig in as calls for reform grow https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics/police-union-reform-protests/index.html
 * I took a first stab at it, to make it less of a list of achievements. I am not familiar enough with all the articles to do justice to the policy side at this point, and would be happy if you'd take a stab at that part especially. I did try to at least consolidate it into something readable, without really checking the content of the policy section. effeietsanders 21:04, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that no response came for the past months, I'm assuming that this addressed your concerns sufficiently. Improvements are definitely possible, but they seem not tough enough to warrant an NPOV template. I'm removing the tag, but feel free to re-add if you disagree. effeietsanders 00:51, 26 August 2020 (UTC)