Talk:International credit card data theft

Proposed merge
I propose a merger of this article into Credit card fraud. This article adds little beyond what's already in Credit card fraud, except to point out the obvious – that the problem is international – and to list its scope in dollars. 90% of this article seems to be describing a data theft by one Albert Gonzalez, already mentioned in ShadowCrew. Gonzalez and/or his theft may deserve their own article (there is enough detail), or it can be summarized in the merge to Credit card fraud, or merged in detail into ShadowCrew where he's already mentioned. --CliffC (talk) 02:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It appears that the remaining 10% of the article was copied directly from Credit card fraud. If you're not merging the Gonzalez article, what are you proposing to merge? Should this just be a re-direct or deleted?  Kuru  talk  00:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't realize the 10% was an direct copy from the other article. In light of Gonzalez's sudden fame — his indictment and alleged crime were featured on last night's 11:00 CBS-TV news and on the front page of today's New York Times business section — now it seems to make more sense to simply rename this page "Albert Gonzalez" and clean out any non-Gonzalez material.  --CliffC (talk) 03:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Probably, if there was not already an article on Albert Gonzalez. I'm thinking prod or redirect at this point.  Kuru  talk  00:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Prod sounds like the way to go, no sense keeping a redirect around by the unlikely-to-be-searched-for name of this article. Prod would also allow time to merge anything unique here into the Albert Gonzalez created this morning. --CliffC (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose merge to Credit card fraud, but rename article to indicate its subject more closely, the 2009 Albert Gonzalez / Heartland Payment Systems case. Possibly split out the Albert Gonzalez / Dave & Busters case to its own article. Both of these cases are sufficiently notable to justify their own articles. Equally the T.J. Maxx case.
 * I'd oppose merging to some other articles on the following grounds:
 * * Albert Gonzalez This would make the most sense. He's indicted for three notable cases. Each case is big enough, and the crime novel enough, to justify an article of their own. However they're individual cases, with no great commonality, and I believe the articles would be clearer reading kept separate.
 * * Heartland Payment Systems / T.J. Maxx This would breach WP:UNDUE if an article of sufficient detail to describe the crime and case was placed within the article for its victim. They would warrant a paragraph and a more link.
 * We may well justify a category for Category:Crimes of Albert Gonzalez, as an umbrella. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge Merge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.18.104.1 (talk) 08:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Support merge. Albert Gonzalez is now a separate article, better than this one. - Fayenatic (talk) 08:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Haruth (talk) 15:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)