Talk:International reaction to the 2008 Zimbabwean presidential election

I feel that some mention needs to be made here of South Africa's role as a mediator between Zanu PF and the MDC, as well as the MDC break-away faction.

Morgan Tsvangirai has refused to meet Mbeki on his latest trip to Zimbabwe as he feels that Mbeki is not neutral owing to his tacit support of Robert Mugabe. I would like include information about the motives behind South Africa's continuing insistence on 'quiet diplomacy', and why Mbeki, unlike the EU and some other African leaders, is reluctant to condemn Mugabe outright for his actions. As such, I have written an insert into the article. Ivankinsman (talk) 17:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good stuff Ivan, but i feel that the first sentence "The European Union recently adopted a single position on Zimbabwe, stating that the result of the first round of the presidential election must be held as binding. The official result of this poll gave Morgan Tsvangirai, the opposition candidate, first place with 48 per cent of the vote and Mr Robert Mugabe second with 43 per cent. The African Union has officially endorsed the creation of a coalition government." is a bit out of place in the section. Maybe we can add it to the summary above. Do you by any chance have a source for this? Cheers --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 18:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * O.K., Patrick, I have put in the source. I would also like to discuss this insert with 'Everyking'. Rather than just removing what I have put in, we first need to talk about the importance of this issue. I do not see it mentioned ref. Zimbabwe and there definitely needs to be a section covering Thabo Mbeki's role as chief negotiator, and how his stance is contrary to the views of some other leading figures in SA. I have re-inserted, appropriately sourced, and would like other editors' opinions on this issue. Ivankinsman (talk) 19:23, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. I think Mbeki is playing a very important role in this and deserves to have a separate sector. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 19:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course, I'm all in favor of including the information. My complaint is that the text of that section appears to be mostly or entirely copied directly from the references used. Everyking (talk) 04:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We can't leave copyvio text in the article. Since I was reverted the first time, I'll leave it for a while in hopes that someone will fix it, but please do so soon. Everyking (talk) 16:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't know it was a copy and paste job. I can work on it some tonight to fix it. cheers --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't say for certain that all of it is, but I picked a few sentences at random to compare, and the wording matched. (Usage of "Mr" in front of names is always a strong indicator of something being pasted from a news article.) Everyking (talk) 03:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I am quite happy for someone to try paraphrasing the information I have already paraphrased. Just how far do you go in this matter. Any quotations I have included have a relevant source next to them. C'mon Everyking, I'd like to know where you get your information from ref. Wikipedia. Ivankinsman (talk) 11:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is, it didn't look paraphrased. I picked sentences at random and compared them, and I found exact matches. Everyking (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is now commented out, which means it is visible to editors but not readers. Please substantially reword it before making it visible again. Everyking (talk) 15:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

UN vote
User:Goatchurch removed the information about which countries supported the UN resolution. I cannot understand why, and I have restored that information. Everyking (talk) 04:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems
For the revdelling admin. The vio was introduced on [|(19:30, 5 July 2008)]. It was found and reverted (18:57, 6 July 2008), readded (21:26, 6 July 2008) then unfortunately made invisible (17:46, 11 July 2008). It stayed as a hidden message until (06:55, 6 September 2008), when it was removed. Yoenit (talk) 20:39, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks. MLauba (Talk) 12:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

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