Talk:International reactions to the Israel–Hamas war/Archive 1

Novara Media
Why are we including a small alternative British news publication's opinion on the situation in the section on "Other political/militant entities"? It feels like undue weight to me. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 18:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I would say this should be removed unless there are third-party sources to point to notability of it, or unless - and this should not happen in a free society - there is a legal response to it. As of yet, there is neither. Including this would justify including the self-published opinions of all publications or individuals, which is WP:INDISCRIMINATE Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:52, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I previously removed it, but @WeatherWriter reverted my edit with the summary We do when reporters are in support for the attack. All aspects need to be covered for a neutral POV (WP:NPOV). I left a message on their talk page, but they haven't responded yet. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 19:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have self-reverted the section. I do not believe it violates UNDUE weight as a reporter, without any bio stating opinions are their own and not the company, but rather a bio stating they report for the media organization, supports the conflict, who is based half-way ‘round the world. That said, it seems my belief is not with the majority, so the info has been removed. That said, as pointed out by Unknown Temptation, if a legal response occurs, I will re-add the information and would be extremely strong to keep it on there as no editor could justify an UNDUE weight with it at that point. Until that hypothetical situation though, it is removed. Cheers y’all! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:13, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Nigeria
This post shows The Ministry of Foreign Affairs / Yusuf Tuggar's statement on the Gaza-Israel conflict that calls for "de-escalation and ceasefire", although it will need a better source. https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=632489302391713 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaxJaguar2 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I found a source that mentions the Ministry of Foreign Affairs' response on the conflict. The source I linked to is listed as a "[g]enerally reliable source for Nigeria-related information". WikiProject_Nigeria/Nigerian_sources JaxJaguar2 (talk) 01:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, using the leadership.ng reference. Renerpho (talk) 04:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Celebrating Protests
In Berlin the attacks where celebrated, im sure that there are more celebration protests around the world, should these be mentioned in the article? https://web.archive.org/web/20231007231849/https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/terror-unterstutzer-feierten-angriff-aus-israel-polizei-lost-propalastinensischen-aufmarsch-in-berlin-neukolln-auf-10588360.html FSbiran (talk) 01:07, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, the article should include a section about non-government reactions, including protests, especially where those are in contrast to the official government response. Renerpho (talk) 04:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Will make a demonstration chapter. Borgenland (talk) 04:48, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm sure Berlin is not unique in this, and I hesitate to add it as the single entry. Maybe we can collect here before giving the (almost certainly false) impression that Germany was somehow special in this regard. Renerpho (talk) 05:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe good to start with demos in the Middle East that were reported earlier. Borgenland (talk) 05:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If you have references for those, that's a good start. I have collected a few reports from Europe and the United States below, and a (hopefully reliable?) link to planned events from around the world. Renerpho (talk) 05:31, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I recall there was mention in the mother article. Will come back to it since I’m out right now. Borgenland (talk) 05:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * More from other countries below. Feel free to add to the list... Renerpho (talk) 05:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * A list of planned protests as of 7 October, according to the Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network, can be found here: This includes links to the organizers of the individual events. I do not know how reliable this source is, and which of these events actually happen(ed). Renerpho (talk) 05:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Berlin/Germany: Pro-Palestinian activists and left-wing groups celebrate attacks on Israel. Renerpho (talk) 05:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * London/England: Police increases patrols in London after reports of Israel attack celebrations. Immigration minister Robert Jenrick shares video posted by TV presenter Rachel Riley of people waving Palestinian flags in west London. Renerpho (talk) 05:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * New York/United States: US pro-Palestinian groups applaud Hamas terror onslaught, plan support rallies. Student groups backed by New York chapter of socialist party organize demonstrations in approval of attack. Renerpho (talk) 05:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Paris/France: Demonstrators gathered in Paris to demand that Palestinians be given their human rights and that Western governments end their complicity with the "Tel Aviv regime". Renerpho (talk) 05:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There were demonstrations in Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Yemen  Abo Yemen  ✉  14:20, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added the protests in London and New York. The link to the protest in Paris above is from a source that's generally considered unreliable, so I haven't added that. Renerpho (talk) 15:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Moldova
Could someone add Moldova? Sources for president's reaction. Sources for the prime minister's reaction. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 22:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌ Someone who speaks Moldovan has to look at this. I could use Google translate, but I am absolutely not going to cite a computer-generated translation in an article about such a sensitive topic. Renerpho (talk) 04:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Here are the president's, and prime-minister's  reactions on Twitter/X in English and the report in Moldovan news. Also FYI Moldovans speak Romanian. WikiEnjoyer123 (talk) 08:53, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Renerpho (talk) 15:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, I have no access to the second source (the jpost.com article). Renerpho (talk) 05:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

South Africa's reaction
South Africa has called "for the immediate cessation of violence, restraint, and peace between Israel and Palestine" and " expresses its grave concern over the recent devastating escalation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The new conflagration has arisen from the continued illegal occupation of Palestine land, continued settlement expansion, desecration of the Al Aqsa Mosque and Christian holy sites, and ongoing oppression of the Palestinian people. The region is in desperate need of a credible peace process that delivers on the calls of a plethora of previous UN resolutions for a two-state solution and a just and comprehensive peace between Israel and Palestine." so the reaction of South Africa should be added (source: https://www.dirco.gov.za/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:4802:41F:2F60:91D4:3928:AE60:628B (talk) 14:55, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Update on this: the ANC has publicly expressed their support for Palestine.
 *  Seven Train (talk) 15:13, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Renerpho (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Political parties/figures
Hezbollah are part of the ruling coalition in lebanon and ansarullah are partly ruling in yemen, as well as trump being a candidate in the election (even if opposition). The three should be under their countries' colors (with Lebanon actually being IN government). Not sure about the status of the Iraqi group. If not in govt, it can be opposition or religious or even just stay there.37.252.80.255 (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Mexico
The Mexican Foreign Relations Secretariat issued an statement in its official X account condemning the terrorist attack suffered by Israel and called for an immediate ceasefire.

Here's the link to the post: https://twitter.com/SRE_mx/status/1710683465224475089?t=vSyyLe1um4ja9WleU1Vi-Q&s=19 2806:109F:10:9E6E:FD35:B055:7DD5:EE66 (talk) 06:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Here's the translation:
 * "The SRE condemns the attacks suffered by the people of Israel with the unfortunate loss of human lives. Mexico sends its condolences to the victims' families.
 * At the same time, it makes a call to the ending of this meaningless violence, with the purpose of avoiding an escalation that causes bigger damage and suffering to the civilian population.
 * Mexico considers necessary to retake the procedure of direct negotiations in good faith between both parts, leading to a fair, plentiful, and definite peace agreement. The previous statement must be between within the two-state solution, recognizing the right of Israel and Palestine yo coexist in peace, inside safe borders agreed mutually and internationally recognized, in congruence with the resolutions adopted by the United Nations" 2806:109F:10:9E6E:FD35:B055:7DD5:EE66 (talk) 07:10, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Third party source provided. Looks like we can add Mexico to "Expressed solidarity with Israel, but called for peace negotiations". --ManhattanChase (talk) 17:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, together with the secondary source. Renerpho (talk) 19:58, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Armenia
The context of the war last month would be worth noting as "having recently faced...". armenia is also not blue on the map. Condemn the violence and de-escalate.37.252.80.255 (talk) 18:13, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * That map is gone, for the moment.
 * What would that context be? If you have a source that makes a link between the two conflicts, we may be able to add it. The government reaction did not explicitly mention it, so there is no justification for us to do so. ❌ Renerpho (talk) 20:33, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

saudi
the saudi's are clearly more condemning of israel. Which is VERY pertinent in talk of setting up relations (which is likely off now).37.252.80.255 (talk) 18:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The government response may be carefully worded, but it is what it is. I read the rest of your comment as speculation, but if you have other sources that shed light on Saudi Arabia's position, you're welcome to share them here. Renerpho (talk) 20:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

The image is inaccurate and misleading
The image given in the lead is both inaccurate and misleading. Its inaccurate as Oman and Egypt have both blamed Israel partially (along with calling for de-escalation) but are shown as yellow.

But the bigger issue that it is deeply misleading because many countries have multiple stances. For example, Pakistan clearly called for de-escalation yet it is not yellow? I'm removing the image for now.VR talk 20:19, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Compare my comment at Talk:International reactions to the October 2023 Gaza–Israel conflict. Maybe it would be better to combine the two sections. Renerpho (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that map is useful, but is there a way to clarify that these are official positions? Representing nations as monolithic blocks can be misleading. Renerpho (talk) 16:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC) Moved here from that talk page section, to avoid duplicate discussion. Renerpho (talk) 20:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Well this very page is about official reactions isn't it? Synotia (moan) 21:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, and official reactions are often not so simple. Renerpho (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * France, while expressing solidarity with Israel, also seems to have called for de-escalation "Palestine, Israel in deadly war as Egypt, France seek de-escalation". Likewise, Germany said it "will gladly support" Egyptian attempts to de-escalate the situation, while still condemning Hamas and supporting Israel. So that's further evidence that you can't group the countries into categories as many countries have held multiple stances.VR talk 20:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, countries like Brazil, which condemned Hamas, also called for de-escalation and also called for establishment of a Palestinian state in the same statement. This is different than the US and Canada, which condemned Hamas without any reference to Palestinian rights. So in the map it is misleading to color Brazil as the same color as the US.VR talk 20:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that it may be impossible to make a map to illustrate such a complex issue. Renerpho (talk) 20:53, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * On Commons I included on the discussion page the code to insert into mapchart.net to edit the map. Synotia (moan) 20:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

African Union
Moussa Faki Mahamat called on both parties "to return, without preconditions, to the negotiating table to implement the principle of two States living side by side" and "wishes to recall that denial of the fundamental rights of the Palestinian people, particularly that of an independent and sovereign State, is the main cause of the permanent Israeli-Palestinian tension", several websites have shown that (for example'The Africa Report') — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.67.142.245 (talk) 03:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Name
I noticed that you moved the page twice to add "List of":,. This is inconsistent with other articles at Category:International reactions to armed conflicts. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 18:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Triggerhippie4 but this article IS a list. But as long as removing the "List of" part makes it consistent then im fine with it  Abo Yemen ✉  18:55, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It currently looks like a list, but it is not supposed to be one. It has to evolve into something like International reactions to the war in Donbas (2014–2022) in the future, or something similar to Reactions to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Renerpho (talk) 20:25, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Renerpho oh okay makes sense  Abo Yemen ✉  09:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

10 Downing Street, London
An illumination of the Israeli flag was projected onto the UK Prime Minister's residence at 10 Downing Street in London on 9 October. This was added to the "demonstrations" section. Was this done in protest against the UK's official position? Otherwise it should probably go somewhere else. Renerpho (talk) 14:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * WP:BOLDLY moved accordingly. Renerpho (talk) 14:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023
Add the statement made by the Leader of the Official Opposition (Canada) Pierre Poilievre: "I unequivocally condemn the invasion of Israel by Hamas terrorists and the sadistic violence they have subsequently carried out against innocent civilians. Israel has the right to defend itself against these attacks and respond against the attackers. Canadians pledge their solidarity with all the victims." (source: https://twitter.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1710647500137210033) 50.100.124.46 (talk) 06:15, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌. Consensus seems to be not to include statements from Opposition leaders. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 11:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. There was no such consensus, see Reactions from opposition leaders and former heads of state. Renerpho (talk) 14:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

"Islamist organizations"
I'm not sure why we have a section on Islamist organizations, and is that even accurate? For example, Al-Azhar is listed under that category, but is it really Islamist? I would change that to "Muslim organizations". But that seems imbalanced as we have nothing for Jewish and Christian organizations which have also reacted.VR talk 12:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I think Islamic is a better term. Borgenland (talk) 13:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Calling some of these "Islamic organizations" seems at least as inaccurate. I have removed the entry on Al-Azhar, as the least inaccurate option (in my opinion). I think the intention of the section was not to single out Islam, but to specifically talk about Islamists. If we decide to change the title to "Islamic", we should indeed include relevant reactions by Jewish and Christian organisations, as VR has suggested. Renerpho (talk) 16:02, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Just for clarity, has just split the section, listing Al-Azhar under "Religious organizations", together with entries about pope Francis and others. I think I can support this solution. Renerpho (talk) 16:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is it inaccurate to call both Al-Azhar and Hezbollah as "Islamic organizations"?
 * I don't agree with grouping Al-Azhar with Pope Francis - what do the two of them have in common? I support having Christian reactions in their own section as well as Jewish reactions in their own section. International Jewish reactions are especially significant given Israel is involved, and they should not be lumped together in an ambiguously titled "Religious organizations".VR talk 14:04, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * What is ambiguous about the current section title?
 * I have no objection against a separate section for international Jewish organisations, considering their relevance for the topic (assuming you have such reactions ready to be added to the article; there are none so far). We can discuss whether Islamic organisations should have their own section for the same reason. However, I don't understand the "lumping together" argument. What they have in common is precisely that they both come from religious organisations, as the section title says.
 * We are currently singling out Islamist organisations. My argument for doing so is their extreme position, and that many of them are primarily militant rather than religious.
 * I recognise that, due to the sensitive topic we are talking about, this may deserve its own discussion. Renerpho (talk) 15:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Twitter as source
The article currently asks for better sources in multiple places where we link to statements made by government officials on Twitter (example). Do we really need different sources though, given that those Twitter accounts clearly have the authority to speak for their respective country, and this article is mainly about those reactions? Renerpho (talk) 04:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Ideally, yes. Non-Twitter sources are preferable per WP:TWITTERREF. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 04:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:USERGENERATED Does not really apply here. These are government accounts, and Twitter is merely used as the platform to make (official) statements. Renerpho (talk) 04:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * They are still primary sources and need secondary sources for analysis. Primary sources are not suitable for Wikipedia. Abductive  (reasoning) 05:13, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree. WP:TWITTER-EL also raises the good point that Tweets are easily deleted with no record. Furthermore having news articles demonstrates the notability of the reaction/statement. So ideally, we should not solely rely on Twitter refs. That said, with fast changing current events like this one, we can't always get the 'ideal scenario'. Hence why the status quo is a good balance. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 05:16, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, agreed. Hopefully the tags will encourage the addition of secondary sources, should they exist. Renerpho (talk) 05:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with most points raised, but ordinary webpages also regularly get deleted. Fortunately, tweets are easily saved for the future with WP:WAYBACK. Fairly easy to do manually, but I presume one could get a bot to do it too (e.g., this). This is not really all that different from ordinary webpages. RN1970 (talk) 14:20, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * https://iabot.wmcloud.org currently times out on this page because there are too many links to archive. Renerpho (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

If a government says something official in a hot topic as this one in a social network, then proper press articles detailing such a thing are likely to take place shortly afterwards. Cambalachero (talk) 18:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Map
Please color Zambia blue on the map per their response 2601:40:C481:A940:693D:9F:5A3B:1700 (talk) 20:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023 (3)
Add the statement made by former Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper: "Last night, as Canadians began to celebrate the Thanksgiving weekend, Israelis were attacked by the terror group, Hamas. Today, as Canada wakes up to unspeakable images of terror, pain and war we must remain shoulder to shoulder with Israel as it responds to, and defends itself from, these criminal and cowardly acts of terror. To friends in Israeli and around the world, I hope you know that today and always, through fire and water, Canada will stand with you." (source: https://twitter.com/stephenharper/status/1710685367857545718) 50.100.124.46 (talk) 06:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌. Consensus seems to be not to include statements from former leaders. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 11:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. There was no such consensus, see Reactions from opposition leaders and former heads of state. Renerpho (talk) 14:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's a news source for the statement made by former Prime Minister Stephen Harper: https://www.timesofisrael.com/world-reacts-in-shock-and-horror-to-attacks-on-israel/ ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 17:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Added, thanks. Renerpho (talk) 22:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023 (2)
Add the statement made by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew: "Our thoughts and prayers are particularly with the civilians, who experience painful moments of anguish, terrorized by the eerie sound of the sirens and the imminent threat of the explosions, and especially with all the innocent children, who deserve to get raised in a truly “Promised Land” of peace and prosperity." (source: https://orthodoxtimes.com/ecumenical-patriarch-all-children-deserve-to-get-raised-in-a-truly-promised-land/) 50.100.124.46 (talk) 06:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 11:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is a news source which makes reference to the statement made by Official Opposition Leader Pierre Poilievre: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-poilievre-condemn-hamas-attack-on-israel-ambassador-to-canada-calls-violence-unimaginable-1.6593134 ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 16:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Added, per previous talk page section. Thanks! Renerpho (talk) 22:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Taiwan
Unclear why the government response from Taiwan from several hours ago has been removed. 1.175.184.146 (talk) 07:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The removing editor said he's done it because there was no citation, which I consider legitimate given that the response editor was an account-less. I've brought the response back BTW but without a statement from presidency, which could be added later. Kennyluck (talk) 12:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks--of course, that makes sense--I didn't recall the original source 1.175.156.22 (talk) 22:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023 (7)
Add statement by the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, in which the General Secretariat "condemns the continuing Israeli military aggression against the Palestinians and affirms that the continued occupation is the cause of instability" (institutional source: https://www.oic-oci.org/topic/?t_id=39707&t_ref=26680&lan=en) ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 22:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023 (8)
Add the letter addressed to Haim Bibas, Chairman of the Federation of Local Authorities in Israel by the President of the Congress of Local and Regional Authorities of the Council of Europe, Leendert Verbeek, in which he expresses "his solidarity with the national, regional and local authorities in the face of the brutal terrorist attacks carried out by Hamas". (institutional source: https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/-/president-leendert-verbeek-expresses-the-solidarity-and-support-of-the-congress-to-authorities-and-citizens-of-israel) ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 22:42, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Map Shading: Disputed/Occupied territories
Hey y'all, while the map in the article doesn't have political borders, I still think it should correspond to those borders (not de facto control). While Polisario-controlled Western Sahara is fine I guess since the borders for that haven't substantively changed for decades, why are the Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine included as part of Russia? The annexations are internationally unrecognized and do not add value to this map. And if the map is going to be based on de-facto control, Sudan, Myanmar, Ethiopia, Yemen, etc. might as well be turned into Jackson Pollocks.

Cheers,	Dan the Animator 21:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC) Comment: This request was removed about half an hour after its original publication, by the same user . I am sure they had a good reason to withdraw the request, and I considered leaving it at that. However, I think the proposed change is not unreasonable, unless there is some misunderstanding on my part, and we may benefit from looking at it. The strike through is my doing, as an attempt to indicate that the author may no longer agree with what they originally wrote. Thanks for your understanding. Renerpho (talk) 23:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Antarctica Reaction
Why Antarctica is shown in blue in picture? Is Antarctica also expressed support for Israel / condemned HAMAS Attack?

If yes, then which source claim this? اقبال کا شاہین (talk) 17:50, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Given that Antarctica doesn't have a government (or any permanent residents), it seems clear that it was coloured in error. The map is currently not part of the article, but if it is added back and Antarctica is shown in any colour, that should be corrected. Renerpho (talk) 00:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Another map
I saw that there was no map in this article, so I made one. It wasn't until I saw the discussion page that I discovered that there was a map that had been made, but it had been removed from the article. So I just want to put the map I made here, please feel free to use it if it's helpful:

File:International reactions to the 2023 Gaza–Israel war.svg

BTW, this is an SVG map so it's easier to edit. BlackShadowG (talk) 14:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, appreciate it! Could you remove the blue color for Antarctica? Or is there a reason why it is blue? And would it be possible to create a map where country borders are visible? Jexplorer8421 (talk) 16:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jexplorer8421 I didn't create the map depicting Antarctica in blue. The one you're referring to is File:International reactions to the October 2023 Gaza–Israel conflict.png. This map is in PNG format, making it more challenging for me to make edits. My map, on the other hand, is File:International reactions to the 2023 Gaza–Israel war.svg. BlackShadowG (talk) 00:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Barack Obama
"All Americans should be horrified and outraged by the brazen terrorist attacks on Israel and the slaughter of innocent civilians. We grieve for those who died, pray for the safe return of those who’ve been held hostage, and stand squarely alongside our ally, Israel, as it dismantles Hamas. As we support Israel’s right to defend itself against terror, we must keep striving for a just and lasting peace for Israelis and Palestinians alike."https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1711487698555322579

News article:https://thehill.com/policy/international/4246382-obama-condemns-brazen-attacks-against-israel/ JaxJaguar2 (talk) 01:42, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Chechnya
Kadyrov, the dictator of Russia's Chechen Republic (Chechnya), has issued a statement supporting Palestine and expressing readiness to send in the Chechen peacekeepers. It should be included in the list as a reaction from a (de jure) autonomous region that differs strongly from the country's official stance. GlebRyabov (talk) 08:17, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-war-israel-1833275
 * https://www.kyivpost.com/post/22544


 * I don't have time to include it myself right now, but this should be included below Russia, similar to how we handle Republika Srpska. Renerpho (talk) 08:38, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Flags
Why were the majority of the flags removed? They were useful for readers and consistent with other similar articles. I support their restoration. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 08:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Could you please revert the changes made by your script? Please make sure to keep the edits that were made since then intact. There has not been a consensus to remove the flags, and several editors have explained why they are considered useful in articles of this sort (providing precedent). Renerpho (talk) 08:36, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * In an earlier discussion about this, I myself voted for the flags to be removed, but not unless the section is turned into a table, for the simple reason that the flags strongly helped with navigating the article. Renerpho (talk) 08:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Suspension of aid to Gazan authorities from European donor countries
Denmark has now announced that it will also suspend all aid to the Gazan authorities, thus following the example of Austria, Germany, and the European Commission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.6.40.96 (talk) 10:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

SSNP Reaction
The Syrian Social Nationalist Party stated that they "bless" Operation Al-Aqsa Flood and support the "strength and courage of the resistances." They called on the Palestinian Authority to join the fight against Israel.

Source: AmericanBaath (talk) 12:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * https://ssnparty.org/بيان-رقم-2-طوفان-الأقصى-عزة-فلسطين-والأ/ AmericanBaath (talk) 12:11, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

The far-right celebrates
The Anti-Defamation League is reporting a spike of antisemitic, pro-Hamas hate speech from white supremist groups like Q-Anon, mainly through social media like 4chan, X, and Telegram. Some are also spreading misinformation. 2001:8003:AD13:F800:2791:E749:3543:BC9F (talk) 10:05, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The idea here is to list country and country-level reactions, not the reactions of just any nutcase on the internet with something to say. Cambalachero (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Pro-Israeli protest in Berlin
The section about demonstrations currently includes an image of a pro-Israeli protest in Berlin. That's great, and the image should stay, but the text only mentions pro-Palestine protests in Germany. That may be a bit confusing. We need to mention that there were protests for both sides (and of course we need a reliable source for that). It is late here, and I am going to call it a night, but maybe someone can take over and resolve this. Renerpho (talk) 00:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * This DW article mentioned a list of German cities where pro-Israeli rallies were held, including Berlin. I currently don't have enough edits to edit the main article while it's under extended confirmed protection. https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-scholz-to-israel-germany-is-at-your-side/a-67034080 JaxJaguar2 (talk) 13:59, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Joint statement from The Quint condemning the attack on Israel by Hamas
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-from-quint-leaders-on-israel-9-october-2023#:%7E:text=Today%2C%20we%20%E2%80%94%20President%20Macron%20of,Hamas%20and%20its%20appalling%20acts 69.249.102.223 (talk) 15:22, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023 (5)
Seeing as the original source for Sudan's reaction was deprecated, I've found a non deprecated reliable source: https://english.news.cn/20231008/9ec33e9411d54089a6e74457f10e5aa1/c.html#:~:text=%22Sudan%20renews%20its%20support%20for,Ministry%20said%20in%20a%20statement. TheLibyanGuy (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC) TheLibyanGuy (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Another source for Sudan: https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/africa/2023-10-09-how-african-countries-have-split-over-israel-gaza-conflict/ TheLibyanGuy (talk) 18:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Renerpho (talk) 00:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Also add Sudan's statement:
 * "Sudan is following with concern the dangerous developments currently taking place in occupied Palestine. Sudan renews its support for the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people to have their independent state. It calls for adherence to international resolutions and the protection of innocent civilians," a statement published on the Facebook page of state news agency Suna said. TheLibyanGuy (talk) 02:14, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I summarized this statement and the attribution in english.news.cn as "The Sudanese Foreign Ministry expressed their support for Palestine.", but I have now changed that to more closely match the original statement. Renerpho (talk) 06:35, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Why didn’t you add the other source for Sudan? It seems noteworthy. TheLibyanGuy (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, done. Renerpho (talk) 22:50, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Misleading source for a quote unquote "demonstration"
The source in the "Demonstrations" Section, is a video by an unverified account whose video clip shows a moroccan stadium of football with three of these football-fanatic people with palestinian flags, most of them had absolutely nothing to do w/ this except that, yes islamists too, watch football and since morocco landed 3rd last year in The world cup, our National TV shows all the matches of moroccan teams so they knew they were shown on live tv. But somehow some pro-palestinian portrayed this as a quote unquote "demonstration" and wikipedia just still watches it unfold. Ad if disinformation to gain political support (here for palestine who tries to depict most of the arab countries as qnsupporters, was okay. Well, scoop ... It is NOT also the Home secretary prohibited any demonstration so that's why they had no other choice excemt a stadium 196.64.108.167 (talk) 03:50, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Threeway categorization should be removed
The article is currently divided into "Expressed support for Israel", "Expressed support for Palestine" and urged restraint. This categorization is misleading as many countries fit into more than one category. Secondly, many countries have blamed Israel for the violence, without explicitly expressing solidarity with the Palestinians. We should not try to categorize the reactions.

If we want to divide the reactions into sections, we can do so by region, like Middle East, Europe etc.VR talk 18:23, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


 * agreed  Abo Yemen ✉  18:51, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Please, undo that so it will be easy to understand. AhmedAhzaam787 (talk) 12:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * i didn't change it btw  Abo Yemen ✉  12:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * would it help if we categorized the countries by region?VR talk 20:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I urge you to reupload the map, as it gives a really helpful overview. As an alternative to the „Support Israel“ Category, we could name it „Condemn Attack“ Jexplorer8421 (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. Please, do it. AhmedAhzaam787 (talk) 14:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it'd be good if someone does a fiveway categorization. Although subjective, 1-5 is pretty normal for a scale. Kennyluck (talk) 08:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * change the categorizations, don't remove them completely, the page is hard to navigate without them them ManU9827 (talk) 06:14, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Lebanon, Syria
Need Beirut and Damascus reaction, the absence of reports from these two border countries is quite glaring. Borgenland (talk) 11:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

New Zealand
I recall there used to be a big chunk of reactions from the parliamentary opposition in NZ. Could anyone try to find and restore those edits? Borgenland (talk) 11:11, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023 (9)
Add pro-Palestinian rallies were held in Canada: Ottawa (news source: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/pro-palestine-rally-held-in-downtown-ottawa-as-mayor-condemns-hamas-attack-on-israel-1.6593869), Toronto (news source: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/palestinians-gather-in-toronto-for-rally-more-demonstrations-expected-across-canada/article_f32794fd-bad9-50d2-b74c-35ed50db3c3a.html), in Montreal (news source: https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/dozens-gather-for-pro-palestine-rally-in-montreal-1.6594438), in Halifax (news source: https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/news/dozens-rally-against-anti-palestinian-racism-in-halifax-100831217/), in London (news source: https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/hundreds-of-londoners-rally-for-palestine-after-hamas-attack-on-israel).

Add pro-Palestinian rallies were held in Athens, Greece (news source: https://www.amna.gr/en/article/766844/Protest-gathering-held-at-Israel-embassy-in-Athens) ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 23:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Canada is already mentioned, but I've added the bit about Greece. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 14:13, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

For North African and Middle Eastern countries I think they should all be grouped into a MENA region
It would male organization better I think 69.249.102.223 (talk) 14:29, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * True. I still couldn't comprehend Turkey being fully classified as Asia when they're so closely intertwined with European politics. Borgenland (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria?
This article is getting more and more bloated, with statements from countless organizations, some of which don't have articles here and haven't been covered by secondary sources, or only covered by local sources. As such, I propose removing the entirety of the "Regions" section, and removing reactions from organizations and people without a Wikipedia article and/or that haven't been covered by secondary sources (excluding country leaders). Thoughts? striked out portions following comments ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 14:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Any statement that has been reported on by at least a few reliable sources can be included in this article. Reliable sources demonstrate notability, not us. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:13, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Would you support the removal of statements not mentioned by "a few reliable sources"? ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 15:18, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure. If RS didn’t report then why should we? Makeandtoss (talk) 15:44, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

The key word is the "International" in the title. That is, the reactions of countries/heads of state or others with a similar weight. Cambalachero (talk) 17:29, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 October 2023 (2)
Canada: - Alberta Premier Danielle Smith stated that "I condemn the appalling and unprecedented acts of terror that are occurring in Israel and the region," going on to say, "Albertans mourn the loss of innocent civilian lives. We must stand firm in our fight against terrorism where it presents itself." (news source: https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-premier-joins-other-leaders-in-condemning-attack-on-israel-1.6593459) - New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs stated that "New Brunswick condemns the terrorist attacks against Israel. We mourn the loss of innocent civilian lives and our prayers are with everyone affected by this unthinkable violence" (news source: https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/it-s-absolutely-tragic-maritime-community-members-react-to-hamas-attacks-retaliation-by-israel-1.6594805) - Ontario Premier Doug Ford stated that he “unequivocally condemn the heinous terrorist attacks against Israel and Israeli citizens,” he wrote on X. “We must stand firm in our support of Israel and its right to defend itself against violence.” (news source: https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-politicians-condemn-attack-on-israel-that-left-hundreds-dead-and-thousands-injured-1.6593352) - Quebec Premier Francois François Legault stated that "Quebec strongly condemns the terrorist attacks against civilians in Israel today. There is absolutely no justification for such horrible actions." (news source: https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-politicians-condemn-attack-on-israel-that-left-hundreds-dead-1.6593649) ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 00:32, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

❌ We list just national reactions here. If we start adding the reactions of rulers of lower administrative divisions we would be here all day. Besides, all of them seem to be in line with the national reaction. Cambalachero (talk) 16:49, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree. Therefore, I suggest you withdraw the segment on Scotland (part of the UK, which is not even a federation). ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 22:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Scotland is a nation though. Besides, the Scottish reaction was notably different from the general UK reaction, and notable for different reasons (the personal involvement of the first minister). Renerpho (talk) 10:28, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The UK is nonetheless a unitary state. If I follow this logic, if Scotland is a nation, so is Quebec. I recommend publicizing the reactions/statements of Canada's provincial/territorial leaders, just as it has been done with Australia. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 17:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Scope of article
Article scope currently focuses on the initial reactions to the war, namely focusing on the Hamas invasion, but not the continuation? Makeandtoss (talk) 11:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes it will... in due time. The war barely started a few days ago, so far the war itself starting is the event everybody is reacting to. If things go on for long, we may report reactions to other events that may generate them. But remember that national states are not newspapers and do not "react" to everything, such as the minutiae of events of the war. For most countries, especially those not directly involved, the initial reaction may be all we'll get. Cambalachero (talk) 17:35, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

HTS
https://jihadology.net/2023/10/09/new-statement-from-hayat-ta%e1%b8%a5rir-al-shams-department-of-political-affairs-in-support-of-the-right-of-the-palestinian-people-to-regain-their-land-al-aqsa-flood/ 94.222.189.7 (talk) 18:10, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Al-Qaeda's reaction
https://jihadology.net/2023/10/08/new-statement-from-al-qaidah-in-the-arabian-peninsula-regarding-the-blessed-al-aqsa-flood-operation/ 94.222.189.7 (talk) 18:18, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

List or prose?
The article has the prose template on top, that I have removed: this article is a list, and would be harder and more complicated to read if written in prose. The template was restored saying "per discussions in the talk page, this article is supposed to be changed to a prose styled article", but I can't find such discussion. Cambalachero (talk) 18:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Caricom, Alba, and Haiti
"The Caribbean Community CARICOM abhors the attacks in Israel and the counterattacks in the Palestinian territory of Gaza."https://caricom.org/caricom-statement-on-the-developments-in-israel/

"ALBA-TCP deeply regret the escalation of violence in the Gaza Strip that threatens international peace and violates the rules of international law and the principles and purposes of the Charter of the United Nations." https://twitter.com/ALBATCP/status/1711178893300818375

"The Haitian Government has witnessed with sadness and dismay the surge, in recent days, of acts of unbearable violence perpetrated by Hamas against the State of Israel, which has led to a wave of condemnations around the world, to which it joined to the voice of Haiti."https://twitter.com/MCHaiti/status/1711812881912561966 Port-au-princien (talk) 20:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Jamaica and Belize
The Jamaican prime minister Andrew Holness states "The Government of Jamaica condemns in strongest terms the attack by the Hamas group on Israel, resulting in the deaths, injury and abduction of Israeli civilians. We convey our sympathies to the Government and people of Israel and to the families of all those affected." (6) Andrew Holness on X: "(1/3) The Government of Jamaica condemns in strongest terms the attack by the Hamas group on Israel, resulting in the deaths, injury and abduction of Israeli civilians. We convey our sympathies to the Government and people of Israel and to the families of all those affected." / X (twitter.com)

The Belizean Foreign Affairs Minister states "Belize regrets the hostilities between Hamas and Israel and calls for immediate de-escalation. Israeli Apartheid must end. We call for a Palestinian state with all rights including East Jerusalem as its capital and the right of return." (6) Eamon Courtenay on X: "#Belize regrets the hostilities between #Hamas and #Israel and calls for immediate de-escalation. #Israeli #Apartheid must end. We call for a #Palestinian state with all rights including East Jerusalem as its capital and the right of return. #PeaceNotWar !" / X (twitter.com) Port-au-princien (talk) 19:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Could you provide links to those Twitter posts please? Secondary sources (i.e. newspaper articles) that mention their reactions would be preferable. Renerpho (talk) 00:31, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies for jumping in, but here are the links that may be relevant for this topic.
 * Prime Minister of Jamaica, Andrew Holness: https://twitter.com/AndrewHolnessJM/status/1710781471575658964
 * from Jamaica Observer, https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latest-news/jamaica-condemns-hamas-attack-on-israel/
 * Minister of Foreign Affairs, Eamon Courtenay: https://twitter.com/EcourtbzeEamon/status/1711053634262237599
 * from Breaking Belize News, https://www.breakingbelizenews.com/2023/10/08/belizes-minister-of-foreign-affairs-eamon-courtenay-calls-for-immediate-de-escalation-between-hamas-and-israel/ JaxJaguar2 (talk) 01:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Port-au-princien (talk) 20:24, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Will you add them to the article? Port-au-princien (talk) 20:33, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Namibia
"Gravely concerned, the Namibian government yesterday condemned the escalation of violence between Israel and Palestine in the Gaza Strip, which led to the loss of lives of both Palestinians and Israelis." https://neweralive.na/posts/namibia-condemns-israel-hamas-violence

GlebRyabov (talk) 22:19, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 October 2023
Political figures: Canada: add that the New Democratic Party's Foreign Affairs critic Heather McPherson stated that "New Democrats are horrified and heartbroken by the violence in Israel and Palestine. We grieve with so many Canadians affected. The terrorist attacks by Hamas on thousands of innocent Israeli civilians are unjustifiable. We are shocked by the brutality, missile attacks, kidnappings, and targeting of civilians including the elderly and children. These are war crimes and must be prosecuted. We call for the immediate safe return of all hostages and call on the government of Canada to do everything in its power to ensure the release of Canadians among the captives (...). Our collective focus must now go to building the conditions of a just peace in the region. The international community, Canada included, must work towards a credible peace process that will finally bring peace and security to all in the region, while respecting the humanity and rights of all civilians, Israeli and Palestinian. New Democrats stand with all people in Israel and Palestine who yearn for peace, freedom and security." (party website: https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-statement-devastating-violence-israel-and-palestine). ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 00:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's best we only include government statements, not statements from individual political parties. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 14:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not a government statement. It's a statement by one of the opposition parties in the Canadian House of Commons (which also has a supply and confidence agreement with the Trudeau government). ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 03:04, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a statement for the political figures section. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 03:05, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a statement for the political figures section. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 03:06, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Why was the map removed
The map is pretty useful and informative, what reason did it have to be removed? There was a never a discussion discussing as to whether it should be removed or not. TheLibyanGuy (talk) 03:50, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Guernsey
BlackShadowG (talk) 13:33, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Student organizations
The reactions of mere student organizations seem quite irrelevant next to that of heads of state and transnational organizations. They do not inherit the notability of their universities (and even if Harvard itself released a official statement, it would be a bit borderline). I propose to cut that whole section. Cambalachero (talk) 13:45, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose. These groups have since the Vietnam War have often been notable for spearheading a whole bunch of political ideas, especially the BDS movement. Borgenland (talk) 13:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Quote condemning Yahya Rahim Safavi praising the attacks
Anyone has that quote where a political leader specifically condemns Yahya Rahim Safavi's praising on the attacks? I can't find it anywhere on this page. Lucy2006 (talk) 15:50, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Countries
Tajikstan, Uzbekistan, San Marino, Nepal, Papua New Guinea, Laos, Suriname, Mongolia

International Organisation
[https://caricom.org/caricom-statement-on-the-developments-in-israel/#:~:text=The%20Caribbean%20Community%20(CARICOM)%20abhors,of%20civilised%20life%20and%20living. CARICOM]

I hope those countries can be included also. Horizon Sunset (talk) 17:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Flags, flags everywhere
DO WE REALLY NEED THEM?! 2804:14D:5C32:4673:220:CC5E:2105:CE2B (talk) 20:30, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


 * There is a general precedent for including flags in these types of articles. Partofthemachine (talk) 21:35, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No, the flags are despised by editors. Remove them. Abductive  (reasoning) 05:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should keep the flags, but please don't just remove them. Turn the lists into tables instead, and leave out the flags. Renerpho (talk) 16:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that International reactions to the war in Donbas (2014–2022), which this article may use as precedent, also uses the flags. Whatever we decide to do to one article, we should also apply to the other. Renerpho (talk) 20:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there a reason why editors hate them so much? Thank you! Aurelianberries (talk) 18:24, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes we do as they serve as a navigational function instead of searching through the sea of words  Abo Yemen ✉  14:39, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023 (6)
In addition to the Canadian Prime Minister, add the statement made by the Minister of Foreign Affairs Mélanie Joly: "Canada unequivocally condemns the multi-front terror attack against Israeli citizens by Hamas. Canada firmly stands with Israel and its right to defend itself against terror under international law. My heart is with the victims and all those affected by these attacks." (Twitter source: https://twitter.com/melaniejoly/status/1710653935697133597 / news source: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-poilievre-condemn-hamas-attack-on-israel-ambassador-to-canada-calls-violence-unimaginable-1.6593134) ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 16:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌ Her reaction is basically identical to that of the Prime Minister, which is already cited per the same source. I think it suffices to quote one representative of each government, unless there are notable differences (which is not the case here). Renerpho (talk) 22:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest that you include the statements made by Foreign Minister Mélanie Joly and Defence Minister Bill Blair on the evacuation flights from Israel by the Royal Canadian Air Force for Canadian citizens and permanent residents and their families (news sources: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/first-two-military-evacuation-flights-airlift-canadians-out-of-israel-1.6598348 / https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-evacuation-flight-1.6993695) ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 01:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Croatia condemns Israel in multifaceted response
https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-has-lost-my-sympathy-says-croatian-president/#:~:text=Croatian%20President%20Zoran%20Milanovi%C4%87%20said,Israeli%20flag%20in%20his%20country. 69.249.102.223 (talk) 11:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Bosnia and Herzegovina
Hello,

regarding reactions from Bosnia and Herzegovina and its complicated and fractured political structure it is unnecessary to write all political and lower level govt as it currently is written unless we would like to have a big article of Bosnian reactions (Canton 10 is bellow entity which is bellow state level), therefore I propose to delete all and write only that of Ministry of foreign affairs which is responsible for foreign affairs and whose statements is "We condemn all forms of violence, especially the killing of innocent civilians. As victims of brutal attacks on cities and civilians, we deeply understand the value of every peaceful moment. We urge for de-escalation of the conflict and the immediate pursuit of longterm peace accords".

This was tweeted from official X account, and it was reported here as well. Panassko (talk) 11:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

IJT Student Organization Reaction
Please Add the response of Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba, largest student organization of Pakistan.

"In the port city of Karachi, hundreds of students rallied against Israeli strikes on the Gaza Strip.

The rally was organized by Islami Jamiat Talaba, the country's largest student organization, at Karachi University with hundreds of male and female students in attendance.

The highlight of the rally was a 200-foot Palestinian flag held by students during their protest against Israel."

Reference:

https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2023/10/10/thousands-march-in-pakistans-capital-in-solidarity-with-palestinians اقبال کا شاہین (talk) 02:45, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Done. Borgenland (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Since when is Turkiye is in Europe?
It is called "Asia Minor" for a reason. Cactus Ronin (talk) 20:03, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Not Thrace. Thrace is 100% in Europe.
 * Geopolitically, Turkey is usually considered European.
 * I recommended that a MENA section gets added here, but nobody ever listens to me... (talk) 16:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @69.249.102.223 Ankara is not in Thrace, this is like saying Russia should be counted as a East Asian country because of Kuril Islands.
 * "Geopolitically, Turkey is usually considered European."
 * Nope, never in my lifetime an European has considered me a compatriot European.
 * "I recommended that a MENA section gets added here"
 * This, I would support, a MENA section would be nice and would solve all problems. Cactus Ronin (talk) 16:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Ralph Gonsalves
The article currently attributes Ralph Gonsalves as the Prime Minister of Saint Kitts and Nevis, but he is actually the Prime Minister of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. Please change the flag of Saint Kitts and Nevis to Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.

It might also be a good idea to replace the reference, as the current reference also lists him as the Prime Minister of Saint Kitts and Nevis. The following link could be used as a replacement. https://www.stvincenttimes.com/st-vincent-pm-ralph-gonsalves-briefly-comments-on-israel-gaza-conflict/ JaxJaguar2 (talk) 02:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ And sorry, the mistake was committed by me. I was reckless to add it quickly without checking on Mr Gonsalves being from St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Sorry, again. --CoryGlee (talk) 19:08, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Sri Lanka
See here. BlackShadowG (talk) 10:00, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

BLM
BLM's reactions has caused controversy,, as it has supported/defended the Hamas attackJoaquinazo (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-portected edit request on 14 October 2023
I want to include the following paragraph within UN point under the subheading International Organisations.:

The UNSC convened in a closed-door emergency session during the Israel-Gaza conflict, but was unable to come to a consensus on a joint statement.

The US called on the council's 15 members to strongly condemn Hamas.

According to senior US diplomat Robert Wood, not all of them were present, as he informed reporters after the session.

"One of them could likely be deduced without any additional information," Wood remarked about Russia, whose relationship with the West has deteriorated following its invasion of Ukraine.

Tor Wennesland, the UN Middle East peace envoy, provided a comprehensive briefing to the council that lasted for 90 minutes.

Russia's UN envoy Vassily Nebenzia ,emphasised the urgent need to halt the fighting and engage in a ceasefire and meaningful negotiations, a longstanding call made by the Security Council. Harvici (talk) 14:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/9/un-security-council-meets-on-gaza-israel-but-fails-to-agree-on-statement
 * https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/10/09/hamas-attack-on-israel-emergency-un-security-council-meeting-takes-no-immediate-action_6157733_4.html
 * https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231014-russia-calls-for-israel-hamas-cease-fire-at-un Harvici (talk) 14:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 October 2023
In the “Sports organizations” section change ‘honouored’ to ‘honoured’ (typo) NatVaderr (talk) 17:57, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ KRtau16 (talk) 00:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Reactions from opposition leaders and former heads of state
In a few of the edit requests above, has stated that consensus seems to be not to include statements from Opposition leaders. Is that really so? We have sections about demonstrations, reactions from religious and islamist organisations, but nothing from oppositions or minorities? Renerpho (talk) 13:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I would object to the removal of Trump's stance. He helped contribute for this crisis. Borgenland (talk) 13:42, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * We had statements from Morales, Trump, and Corbyn on the page. I do not know why they were removed, I do not think there was a true consensus reached. Paragon Deku (talk) 14:10, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems User:Guycn2 removed the section without seeking consensus. Considering all three statements had heavy media coverage, I am in favor of adding them again. Paragon Deku (talk) 14:13, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay. I suggest the statements by Pierre Poilievre and Stephen Harper, which were proposed to be added earlier and rejected on grounds of a non-existent consensus, should be added as well; of course we could discuss their inclusion separately, if necessary. Renerpho (talk) 14:15, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added back the removed section. I have not yet included Poilievre and Harper, which I suggest should be combined as one item (considering both are Canadian). Any objections? Renerpho (talk) 14:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC) I have also changed the section title to "public figures and opposition leaders", to make clear that we are probably not seeking the opinion of any public figure. Again, this of course is up for debate. Renerpho (talk) 14:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have now addeed Poilievre and Harper, too. Renerpho (talk) 14:42, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * From what I see the opposition leader makes sense but is the former, and like way in the past former, leader necessary? Especially when he's just saying the same thing the current leader is saying? XeCyranium (talk) 04:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks everyone, I realise I was too hasty to say there was a consensus, and I'm comfortable with the one generated above. Happy editing.Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 20:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

All countries (except dictatorships) have opposition leaders, so this could easily make the list twice as big. I suggest leaving out the cases when the government and opposition are in agreement on this unless it's a case like Argentina that is having elections soon and the opinion of the likely next president is as relevant as that of the current one. Cambalachero (talk) 12:59, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Pete Davidson
During the Premiere of Saturday Night Live's 49th season, Pete Davidson talked about how his experiences during 9/11 and how he can relate to those in Israel and Gaza: https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/saturday-night-live-pete-davidson-season-49-premiere-recap-1235756408/ OrlandoApollosFan69 (talk) 05:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Cancelled → Postponed
"""On 8 October 2023, UEFA cancelled all of its scheduled football matches in Israel for the next two weeks, including a qualifier for the Euro 2024 tournament between Israel and Switzerland on 12 October."""

To

"""On 8 October 2023, UEFA postponed all of its scheduled football matches in Israel for the next two weeks, including a qualifier for the Euro 2024 tournament between Israel and Switzerland on 12 October.""

. 212.164.64.246 (talk) 13:29, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Unsuitable inclusion of the Green Party of the United States
The Green Party of the United States is not an international or transnational political organization. I suggest you create a section for national political parties and organizations if you wish to include it. 50.100.124.46 (talk) 17:38, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've removed this listing. We probably do not need to include reactions from minor political parties. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 20:23, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 October 2023
I suggest you add that Air Canada has temporarily cancelled flights to Tel Aviv as of Sunday, October 8. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 19:36, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Currently mentioned at International reactions to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 20:24, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

GPUS
I do not understand why you object to adding the Green Party. I have added a subsection on political parties. This party presents presidential candidates, by the way, in the most closely watched elections in the world. Dl.thinker (talk) 20:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Individual Athletes edit request on 18 October 2023
"Egyptian swimmer Abdelrahman Sameh and Tunisian Olympic swimmer Ahmed Hafnaoui were both criticized and subjected to death threats due to their support for Palestine on social media, with American swimmer Eli Cohen telling Hafnaoui he was asking people to “donate to terror” after the latter posted a link to a humanitarian fundraiser for war victims."

Hyperlink to Eli Cohen links to an unrelated figure by the same name. No Wikipedia page exists for contemporary swimmer Eli Cohen. Request removal of hyperlink. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.7.255.197 (talk) 18:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2023
Please add Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb's reaction to the "Islamist organizations"'s section Source TheLibyanGuy (talk) 03:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Liu1126 (talk) 18:33, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 October 2023
Can somebody change the colour of Azerbaijan on the map? I’m not sure if this is the right place or I should go to Wikimedia Commons, but the source used as the reaction to the war by Azerbaijan seems to no condemn either side, not really “supports Israel” as the map shows, If this isn’t the right place to ask this then apologies. Zinderboff 04:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 8 October 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus (talk) 04:54, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

International reactions to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war → Reactions to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war – Move makes room for a more inclusive article, in which Palestinian and Israeli "local" reactions can be added, or create a new separate article for the same purpose. I am in favor of either. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:51, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: I have modified the titles in the nomination to have "2023 Israel–Hamas war" in place of "October 2023 Gaza–Israel conflict", because that main article has been moved and because this RM is only focused on the "International" part of the title. SilverLocust 💬 00:26, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose - local reactions are a part of the main article  Abo Yemen ✉  14:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It won’t be too long where it’ll become too long and needs forking. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose - That would allow a flood of numerous non-significant opinions from media personalities. Ergzay (talk) 14:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * So? Reactions to the Russian invasion of Ukraine Makeandtoss (talk) 15:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If they are non-significant then they can be removed as not notable. In cases where they are significant, the article currently doesn't offer an easy way to add them. Renerpho (talk) 16:14, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No need to have this article be moved; domestic reactions to the conflict are probably best handled in the main article at this moment. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 15:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Wait, but support in case the main article is forked. Renerpho (talk) 16:08, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * And please don't take that as an invitation to fork it. I don't think that is necessary at this point. There is some chance that this changes by the time this RM closes, in which case my vote should be counted as "support". Renerpho (talk) 16:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per @Makeandtoss Parham wiki (talk) 16:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The list is big enough as it is, without adding the opinions of hundreds of people who find a microphone over their faces and have something to say. Cambalachero (talk) 17:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Note to closer: I have placed a DNAU template to stop this thread being automatically archived before it is closed. Please remove it after closing. BegbertBiggs (talk) 10:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.