Talk:International student

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Adding on to Challenges for foreign students in English-speaking countries
I am planning to add, under ‘Challenges for foreign students in English-speaking countries’, a new entry after the paragraph talking about cross-cultural barriers. I would like to include the concept of how communication may break down during group discussions due to two things that are highlighted by Kim HY. under ‘Transparency’, the first being the concept of how there is a lack of elaboration on a given topic during group discussions which may contribute to the feeling that the opinion of the international student was dismissed or they may feel that their contribution may have disrupted the flow of conversation, the second would be that scaffolding does not occur as expected with collaborative work when it comes to international students as topics that are discussed in foreign countries may rely heavily on a developed understanding of the local culture which is not guaranteed. Please find the following citation for the article.

Kim, H. Y. (2011). International graduate students’ difficulties: Graduate classes as a community of practices. Teaching in Higher Education, 16(3), 281–292. https://doi-org.turing.library.northwestern.edu/10.1080/13562517.2010.524922 --Pesnyakov (talk) 00:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Canadian foreign student discrepancy from Statistics Canada
According to this website (Statistics Canada), there are currently over 260 000 foreign students present in Canada. Is this article just really outdated, or am I misunderstanding something?

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/facts2012-preliminary/06.asp

Edit: I've edited the article, adding information to note Canada's increased foreign student count in the section where it is mentioned along with Japan and New Zealand. I've also added Canada to the subsection with the US, UK, and Australia since the number of foreign students in Canada has surpassed 260,000 and is now nearly identical to Australia's 280,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.22.79 (talk) 21:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.22.79 (talk) 20:43, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Content should be merged with Foreign students. olivier 09:54, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * User:Jiang merged. --Menchi 23:44, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Interesting article. I live in the Vancouver area and I remember both those depressing incidents. --Sewing 23:56, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Dangers section
Although I too find the information about the tragic attacks interesting, I find it a difficult fit to the article as a whole. The assertions about dangers posed to international students seem to have been written back from the two specific incidents which can hardly be unique. There is not really any evidence presented to suggest that these incidents are any different from attacks on females anywhere, anytime. 22 Dec 2004 signed

I totally agree with you, it was never stated they were attacked because they were foreigners and so should be removed- 13 june

The danger section as it stands today makes very little sense if any. In particular the sentence: "Dangers are caused both by natives of their host country and those from their own ethnicity." is completly nonsensical. First it makes a false distintion between "natives of their host country" and "those from their own ethnicity" forgetting the very definite possibility that the categories may overlap. And then,if the categories were exclusive and exahusted the possible sources of dangers as seems to be implied by the author, it is the logical equivalent of the following proposition:

"Falling toasts upon a flat surface may come to rest buttered side up or buttered side down"

Not much information contained in that.

I have deleted the whole section. If someone miss it, pls don't do a revert, write a new one.Mr.K. 08:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Difference between Foreign/International and Exchange Students
Since I don't know how things are in other countries, I'm too hesitant to be bold, however... I think a distinction needs to be made between Foreign/International Student and Exchange Student. My understanding is this: Thoughts, anyone? Dunro 04:09, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
 * International Students often apply directly to a university, pay fees to that university, etc. Thus, they can earn an entire degree from the University.
 * Exchange Students are students of a university in their home country(unless they are International Students, see above), who pay fees to their home university(Uni. "A"). They apply to go abroad with Uni "A", who recommends them to one of their partner universities (Uni "B").  In exchange for the student to go to A, a student from B comes to A.  The student pays tuition fees to A, thus does not pay higher tuition than if they were studying at home.  Living costs however, could be higher (or lower) than normal.
 * The key difference is that an exchange student only spends one or two semesters(up to a year) at B, but returns to A to receive their degree.

School/University International Students
The generalisation that international students are usually school pupils seems incorrect. I don't have the figures, but certainly in the UK there are many more international students found in universities in than schools. Rephrase the first sentence? Graham157.228.31.49 20:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Recent edits
I just reverted some recent vandalism, especially the one on October 2nd. I also replaced "American colleges and universities" with "Colleges and universities with a large number of international students" since there is no reason to claim that this is particular to American universities. Something that is still missing is additional info on international student tuition fees, since this is quite an issue, causing grumbling among international students, and has in the case of Brock University for example, caused a large drop in enrollment of international students. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terfili (talk • contribs) 17:08, December 1, 2006 (UTC)


 * Following up on this - When you mention Brock University's 'large drop in enrollment of international students' where are you sourcing/basing this off of? Cannot find anything in a quick google search and no mention on Brock University's page? Would you be able to elaborate? --MarcusLeland (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I had to look into the history of this page to figure who opened this section and when they did that. As you can see from the signature that I added, it was opened in 2006. So it's very possible that the original source has been lost or is no longer available. ElKevbo (talk) 21:15, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Ah okay - let's delete this line item then? --MarcusLeland (talk) 10:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

The definition of international student
In the beginning of the page, it says according to OECD, the definition of international student is.....I could not find the source. Where did the sentence "international students are those who travel to a country different from their own for the purpose of tertiary study. " come from? I only found this definition, http://stats.oecd.org/glossary/detail.asp?ID=1052 but it does not say "tertiary study" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Activeatsushi (talk • contribs) 16:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Translations
Note: Translations of this article should be created, like de:Internationale Studenten (so far there's de:Auslandsstudium thou). Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 13:22, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Editing an example of one of the Chinese international students
Hello, {talkback! Hish20} I hope you are all doing well so far. Clearly and Shortly, I re-read the roles of wikipedia that shows me how I can edit trustful article. Therefore, I already edited in International student page and I hope you guys will not remove it because I think its helpful for anyone who wants to know how we face hard time sometime while we are studying and traveling in the U.S. Thank you all  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HIsh20 (talk • contribs) 15:38, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

terminology chaos
The article switches chaotically back and forth between "international student" and "foreign student" and usually without any indication whether they are being used as synonyms or not.

It can be argued that the traditional use of "international" to mean "foreign" was simply bad or sloppy English that produced weird and often unclear terms such as "international student" and "international cuisine". A student from another country is foreign and in no way international. The same incorrect usage has been common in the restaurant business in referring to foreign cuisine that is authentic and in referring to meals that are bad imitations of foreign cuisine. Sometimes it was used correctly to refer to cuisine that has influences from more than one national cuisine, but this has now already long been called fusion cuisine.

This article doesn't even mention that there is now however a useful distinction between the terms "foreign student" and "international student" even though the latter was arguably not good English originally and is arguably still bad English that is an unnecessary abbreviation of the correct term "internationally mobile student" (and "foreign student" in this statistical usage is an unnecessary abbreviation of the less misleading term "foreign resident student"):

According to the UNESCO Institute for Statistics’ (UIS) Global Education Digest (2006), an internationally mobile student has left his or her country, or territory of origin, and moved to another country or territory with the singular objective of studying. The OECD, in its Education at a Glance (2006) report supports this definition and makes an important distinction between “international students” and “foreign students” in defining terms for the cross-border-mobility section of its comparative dataset.

Adopted in 2006, the OECD and UIS convention is to use the term “international student” when referring to students crossing borders for the specific purpose of studying and the term “foreign student” for non-citizens enrolled at an institution of education outside their home country, but who have not necessarily crossed a border to study (therefore not strictly mobile, and cause for an over-count of actual mobility figures). https://wenr.wes.org/2009/09/wenr-september-2009-feature

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