Talk:Internet band

I'm a student from University of Pittsburgh MSIS program. I'd like to improve this article for my Social Computing assignment. I plan to board this article a bit and check the source then verify this article. Thanks.14MSIS2430 (talk) 15:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Tjsquare (talk) 00:31, 27 October 2015 (UTC) I'm also from MSIS program in University of Pittsburgh and I'm gonna improve this article. I think people who come to this wiki may want some ways to join a Internet band or learn about some specific bands, so I'd like to add some useful Internet band websites' information to guide the users if they want to join one Internet band. In addition, for those who want to see some specific Internet bands, I would like to add some external links for them to go to some famous Internet bands' websites.

Hello everyone, I am also a student of University of Pittsburgh and I would like to work on improving this article as part of my Social Computing class assignment. Ranger09 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:23, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Expanding upon the advantages of online musical collaboration
I am a student attending the MSIS program at the University of Pittsburgh. For a class, Social Computing, I was assigned to improve the article, "Internet band", along with my group members.

I believe there are many aspects that can be improved in this article, but focusing on one of those aspects will be the most effective approach. Particularly, I think the "Advantages" section is a good place to start.

A participant in an online musical collaboration (Internet band) may have a number of different goals. He or she may want to rehearse or perform with other musicians in real time and stream it to an audience. He or she also may want to make additions or changes to a collaborative recording project, or even take lessons from a more proficient musician.

My goal is to clearly define all of the possibilities that online music collaboration brings. Examples, sound clips, images, and other relevant assets will help us make the "Internet band" Wikipedia page a better, more representative place.

TokkaRahzar (talk) 19:07, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

My idea about the revise Hi guys, haven't heard from you all for several days. How's your plan? Since I'm not confident about that I'll be able to refresh most of the content, I'll add some new resources I think would be benefit for those who want to know how to join an Internet Band. I'll provide links and brief instructions of those resources. The new part would be under a new title which would be Useful Links or just External Links. What's your opinions guys? I'll probably do my part tomorrow. Hope you hear from you all soon! Oh I forgot to log in before I sumbit this, now I've edited that, hope this time it would be OK. Feel free to contact meTjsquare (talk) 21:05, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Some suggestions
Based on the current status of this article, I have following suggestions in my view.
 * The most important improvement of this article is violate the second rule of wiki good article criteria which is verifiable with no original research. Many information current in this page is personal view or without a citation that can't be verified. Like the section talks about Origination, I think this section is lack of verification.
 * Upon my view, this article is not well written enough. Many sentences can be rephrased in better language. For example, this definition paragraph needs some improvement.
 * There is no illustration in this article. Maybe we can find some images to explain some terms that make this article more clear.
 * Broad the coverage of this article is another important part. As we can see, this article is very short and contains very limited information. There are many things to consider, like the detail history, more important events of internet band, detail features of internet band or some well-know artists and musical productions.
 * The whole article is structured unorganized to me. Maybe we can consider make this article more tidy in the big picture if we can. 14MSIS2430 (talk) 10:30, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Feed back from 14MSIS2430
Glad to see your consideration. Also glad to hear from TokkaRahzar that you knew one of the founder of the system. We can learn many useful thing from him and he may explain the system better than we explore ourselves. So could you please contact him for some suggestions for us? Could you show him this article and get some ideas what should we add by his view? That's will be a great help. Also I read the links you provide me. Those websites can be a start point to board our article. Let's start to working on the improvement this week. I will check wiki more frequently. Thanks a lot. 14MSIS2430 (talk) 10:39, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Moving forward

My apologies for not keeping our conversation on the Internet band article Talk page. To be consistent, please find the side conversations that have happened on our user pages below:

''I've found some resources we can reference...

Additionally, I know one of the founders of this system personally. Nebulus is an online music collaboration platform. He graduated from CMU. I can reach out to him to possibly interview him and his team about users, systems they are competing against, the future of this industry, etc. Let me know your thoughts!''

I reached out to my contact about Nebulus, and I will update you guys as soon as I hear anything.

TokkaRahzar (talk) 00:19, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Decision of Changes
Hi all, we need to make a final conclusion about what we think about the article and what to revise. We can put all our thoughts here as a conclusion. Please feel free to edit this part and add your final considerations here :-) I'll do it first. In my opinion, Internet band is not like a semantic word that has a rather scientific definition. All the definitions probably come from some certain phenomenons and inevitably it will contain some views are not neutral or lacks references. We can try to find more references for this topic if possible. In addition, considering the purpose of people who come here, I think they may not only need the definition of Internet band, but also some resources about how to join an Internet band. That's what this topic misses and what I want to do my revise on. I'll add some resources or links for users to find good sites to join a band. Finally, this article should also be more well-writeen as suggested by MSIS2430 but I'm not quite good at that. I'll see if anything can be improved about that.Tjsquare (talk) 18:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

As the conclusion, I think I am going to try to eliminate the issues appear on the top of this article. When other people get to the page and this warning will make them feel not comfortable. It means I will try to find out the missing citation. Or if it is all original research, I will delete them and replace with the similar content with citation. Other than this, I will also trying to board the content to rich this article. About the origin, growth, historic everts and current status some thing like these. Modify the article with more well-wtitten word is another important work, however, I am also not very good at this. So TokkaRahzar, can you do this job? If not, we will see what we can do. Thanks a lot. 14MSIS2430 (talk) 22:21, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I can definitely revise the article where necessary to make sure it is well-written. In addition, I will focus on making the History section as inclusive as possible. After researching some other Wikipedia articles, I've noticed that the History section is often a important portion of the article because it allows the reader to visualize the context of the topic. I will research past Internet bands more thoroughly and include details about these bands. I will also include photographs of these bands and hopefully sound clips. For example, check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz#History. Here we find information about the early instances of Jazz, including who, where, when, etc. There are also descriptive images, along with a sound clip that demonstrates an early Jazz rhythm that was developed during the origination of the genre. This historical context is key. If readers understand how a topic began, they can better understand how it is now and how it will be in the future. TokkaRahzar (talk) 22:17, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

These ideas seems awesome guys especially the idea of adding the sound clips. I also noticed that the exact process in which the "Internet Bands" work is not described in detail in this article. I also feel that it would be nice to add some examples of existing band names. I will do more research on this area and incorporate them in the article. Ranger09 (talk) 00:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello everyone, as Professor pointed out, it would not be good if our edits in the main article has no errors. So, I would suggest everyone post their changes in sandbox and let all of us review it, and then let us make the final edits. Because if more than one person reviews an article the probability of occurrence of error will be reduced greatly. Ranger09 (talk) 10:14, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I have edited my part named "Join a Band" in the article as well as in my sandbox. You all can check that if you have time. Please also let me know if you edit any part of the article.Tjsquare (talk) 04:38, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Modified Content
By reading our page, I found that the original article is somehow made up by the formal editors. It contains too many original research. We may delete a lot of them and rework those parts. Please aware of this. So I suggest we post our modification in the talk page before we finally post. 14MSIS2430 (talk) 00:10, 1 December 2015 (UTC) Also, I think the term Internet Band is different from virtual band. Virtual band consists of animal characters. Please tell me what do you think. If you all agree with this, I will correct it. Thanks. 14MSIS2430 (talk) 00:47, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm correcting the definition part. 14MSIS2430 (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Changed the title part like this and add the ref

Features of Internet bands Development Social networking sites have gained large number of users because people's daily lives now revolve around computers and the Internet.The same thing goes for the music industry. People using iTunes, YouTube and MySpace Music to share the music and communicate with others. Therefore, there comes out bands and record label Web sites and file sharing sites to spread the music. After that, people realize they can use the Internet as a tool to build up a band online. [3]

Internet bands became popular in early 2000s, when music technology, file sharing and collaboration software became more prevalent on the internet, making the technology more accessible. While the amount of collaboration between bands may vary the main characteristics of an internet band is that band members collaborate on music projects via the internet.[4] 14MSIS2430 (talk) 05:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

I did a little more on this section and delete some original research. Add ref to all the content. So I think all content are verified. Also I add a section to explain how internet band work. Please tell me what do you think. I did some necessary modification to meet the requirement. Check the following part.14MSIS2430 (talk) 21:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

How can internet bands work
Internet bands are like potlucks. Someone brings a salad, another person a casserole and so on. The host can theme it and request certain things, but when the time comes to eat, that meal depends on the separate contributions of the individuals involved.

Likewise, the first step of forming an internet band starts with the performer. Whatever the musical talent -- saxophone, oboe or good ole fashioned guitar -- computer software has made it a cinch to record by self to showing off the skills.

Macintosh computers come standard with the recording program called GarageBand. Pro Tools is a popular program often used by professional musicians. But for that type of quality, it requires to pay. Other software to perform includes Tracktion, Sonar and Nuendo. For freeloaders, Audacity is an open source software that the performer can download to record. Programs like these save the music into file formats such as MP3, wav and aiff. Once tracks are saved, they are ready to share.

Three popular Web sites have combined social networking with music production: Kompoz, Indaba and eJamming. On Kompoz, people can upload their tracks or songs, allowing other people to add tracks or sample them. People can also add to others’ stuff as well. That means the melody could end up in any number of combinations. Many times, users will work on a variety of projects at one time instead of devoting themselves to a specific band. From there, other members can comment on the tune and rate it. Project creators determine the type of license agreement up front to cover the finished product.

Indaba has the same Facebook-like social networking frame but has its own mixing program that registered users can access. With this program, people can produce music on their own, request help from other members, or close off the session to a select few.

It also lays out guidelines regarding who actually owns the song. Before users begin collaborating, the site allows them to lay down their own guidelines regarding who owns the rights to the song, whether anyone will receive payment for their services and other legal issues. Indaba then archives the communications in case of a dispute down the road, the single strikes a positive chord with the public.

If the performer want to practice in real time, eJamming is a good choice. EJamming goes beyond uploading and mixing tracks online. An internet band can practice playing together and collaborate without physically being in the same room, or country, for that matter in here. The founders of the Web site patented the technology to link a bongo player in Taiwan with a didgeridoo master in Chicago by minimizing the lag time caused by communicating over a network. According to the eJamming Inc. patent, the software first determines the network delay between the people who wish to jam. Then, when the musicians start playing, the network transmits the sound in accordance to the delay, keeping everyone in sync. For instance, if there is a two second delay between one person and another in Australia, it would normally result in off-kilter melodies. However, if the network reads that delay and matches up the timing when both of the people receive the data, they will hear a harmonious product. Aside from real-time jam sessions, eJamming also allows for recording sessions, using the same technology. According to the site, people participating in a collaborative track will share a copyright for the final product. 14MSIS2430 (talk) 21:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Final feedback
Guys, I am very disappointed with the quality of many of your contributions. In addition to the many grammatical and spelling errors, the content was informal and unsupported. For example, the section called "An ideology of Internet bands" sounds like an informal blog post or something. It does not feel appropriate for a Wikipedia article. While I don't want to completely delete this section, I think it should be completely reconstructed. I changed the title from "How can internet bands work". I made sure the content that I provided was completely polished and backed by peer-reviewed, published research. I added the "Cathedral" section under History, the "Education through online music collaboration" section under Advantages, removed the Alvin and the Chipmunks thing which was not about Internet bands, added to the Internet band communities section, added an article image, and revised many grammatical and spelling errors. TokkaRahzar (talk) 19:58, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

My final revise
Hi all, it's really a pleasure to work with you all. I have made my final revise here. Mainly I corrected some grammar mistakes and some sentences that are ambiguous. I think this topic should look much better in this aspect now. I think the overall structure of our topic is OK. In addition, I revised some content of the "Internet band communities" that was originally created by myself. Each website was given about the same number of words to describe which I think can be more consistent. Thank you again and have a great vacation!Tjsquare (talk) 23:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Tjsquare! I got confused with Virtual Band and Internet Band. I could not think of anything at the eleventh hour as most of my research was on virtual band, so, added a section "See Also" and added a link to "Virtual Band" page. Also it would be nice if you could add citations to your contribution. Ranger09 (talk) 04:01, 3 December 2015 (UTC)