Talk:Internet in the Republic of Ireland

Price List removed.
Wikipedia is not the place for a list of broadband plan prices. The list does not contain any notable information, is difficult to maintain.--gummAY (talk) 05:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Lists reverted
I seek justification as to why such lists should be present in this article. I believe that the information in the lists is not notable, and fails What Wikipedia is Not. Additionally, the list can be seen as listcruft. Finally - the list of most popular websites refers to Canada! --gummAY (talk) 14:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for Canada (c&p mistake) but the list is correct. 16@r (talk) 15:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

88% of homes and businesses have broadband?
"As of November 2007, DSL is available to around 88% of homes and businesses." Where does this information come from, becauses it's undoubtedly not true. --89.106.137.98 (talk) 14:52, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

History of Internet in Ireland
This needs a bit more information and accurate history rather than a cargo-cult timeline. The evolution of the Bulletin Board Systems to early ISP (Galway Online/Ireland Online) and some of the early ISPs need to be covered. Jmccormac (talk) 03:02, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

WP:IRE-IRL
The following is a note that Murry1975 entered on my talk page after a change by me on 3 July, a revert by Murry1975 on 4 July, and a revert by me on 4 July. I moved the note here so others can see and participate in the discussion. I will add a reply of my own below. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 13:36, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * We use commonname in articles, in the lead and infoboxes. This isnt "having it both ways", but an arangement that has come from an Arb-Com ruling, to basically stop the edit wars on Irish related articles, and was amended by the project. There is an on-going discussion on categories, where an admin has asked for clarity on catergory usage. So its not straight forward for anyone not familar with it. The first two points of WP:IRE-IRL clearly indicate what should be used in the lead, and as for the link you summaried with "When the page title is used as the subject of the first sentence, it may appear in a slightly different form, and it may include variations". Murry1975 (talk) 19:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to thank Murry1975 for starting this discussion. I wasn't aware of WP:IRE-IRL until it was mentioned in Murry1975's edit summary. I certainly didn't have any background on the thinking behind WP:IRE-IRL until I read Murry1975's note.

With my changes I was trying to follow WP:Lead which says, "If possible, the page title should be the subject of the first sentence. However, if the article title is merely descriptive—such as Electrical characteristics of dynamic loudspeakers—the title does not need to appear verbatim in the main text" and goes on to say "When the page title is used as the subject of the first sentence, it may appear in a slightly different form, and it may include variations, including synonyms", and "Remember that the title of the article need not appear verbatim in the lead".

WP:IRE-IRL says to use "Republic of Ireland" for article titles and in other contexts to "Use 'Ireland' for the state except where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context". It does not explicitly talk about first sentences other than as "other contexts (non-title)".

Reading WP:Lead and WP:IRE-IRL together, my thinking, possibly incorrect, was that on first use in the article title and in the first sentence that the longer and more formal "Republic of Ireland" should be used and thereafter that the shorter and less formal "Ireland" should be used.

There are several other articles that have similar first sentence issues: Media of the Republic of Ireland, Media of Northern Ireland, Media of Ireland, Telecommunications in the Republic of Ireland, Internet censorship in the Republic of Ireland, Censorship in the Republic of Ireland, and probably many more. The article on Media of Ireland is interesting because it is talking about shared media available in both the Republic and in Northern Ireland. Telecommunications in Northern Ireland is a redirect to Telecommunications in the United Kingdom. There are a number of articles where the "Ireland" title is a redirect to the "Republic of Ireland" article: Internet in Ireland, Telecommunications in Ireland, Internet censorship in Ireland, Censorship in Ireland, and probably others. So, things are quite consistent for article titles, but for first sentences, not so much.

The title of this article is Internet in the Republic of Ireland. "The first sentence of the article currently matches the article's title and reads "In 2013 the Internet in the Republic of Ireland is used by 77% of the population …". The question is, should we change this to read "In 2013 the Internet in Ireland is used by 77% of the population …"?

For myself, I don't see where having the first sentence match the title does any harm. It is less ambiguous and helps set the appropriate context for the article in the same way that using the longer and more formal name in the title does. But this is certainly not a life or death issue for me.


 * --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 14:51, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "same way that using the longer and more formal name", thats the thing Jeff, the long short and common form of the states name is Ireland. Murry1975 (talk) 20:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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