Talk:Internet meme/Archive 1

OMG Ponies
Who thinks it would be useful to add detail about the meme "OMG!!! Ponies!!1!"? Is that meme large enough to feature? Has it spread outside of the internets enough to classify as a phenomenon? -- Rossj81 05:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Reference 1
 * Reference 2
 * Google Search
 * Original photo
 * /. image
 * /. #2
 * t-shirt image

Okay, let's get this clear. This is NOT the list of internet phenomena. Take whatever little joke that the kids are loving nowadays over to THAT article.

-- User:Okrainets

An hero
An hero should be featured, it is a very important meme. If you do not feature an hero meme on this page I will become an hero. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.68.51.103 (talk) 17:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * unheroic anon is unheroic, gbt 4chan :-) 204.52.215.13 23:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

what the hell is an hero ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.62.223.87 (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Short Version : Kid commits suicide, someone posts grammatically incorrect message to kid's Myspace page calling him "an hero", 4chan runs with it. "Be an hero!" turns into another way of saying "Kill Yourself!"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.135.89.138 (talk) 17:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It's dumb and unimportant, and death threats (including your own) are a blockable offense. JuJube (talk) 18:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Yes, duckrolls, all your base, and leekspin are all unimportant as well. I guess they aren't memes either.

for the record, an is correct in front of an H. (some origin in the cockney-style pronounciation of words) --trulyelse02:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.221.34 (talk)
 * "An" is only correct in front of an H when the H is silent, as in honour, honest. Words with a defined H sound, such as hero, use just an 'a'. 87.194.215.23 (talk) 03:53, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "an hero" is a major meme referring to the act of suicide. It originates from the death of a kid named Mitchell Henderson, who apparently killed himself after losing his iPod. As could be expected, people immediately jumped on that as a source of immense amusement (if you don't get why, you need to familiarize yourself a bit more with the Internet "community"). On a dedication page, a friend wrote something like, "he was an hero", and.. here we are today. But until there's reliable third-party sources, we've got nothing (much like Candlejack and Pedobear). And actually, anonymous editor who's too lazy to sign his own posts (IT'S FOUR TILDES FFS), all three of those either have their own articles or are referenced majorly in related articles.  Aaron  ►  18:32, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and according to 18th-century linguistic   norms, the phrase was indeed once "an hero". But that's irrelevant since   Aaron  ►  18:32, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of what "an hero" is. I'll take your word for it that "an hero" was correct as a phrase in the 18th century. I was merely correcting Trulyelse in that not all words starting with 'H' can be correctly preceded with 'an'.212.183.134.209 (talk) 01:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * this meme has nothing to do with 18th century. It's just a meme. If you don't get it, be an hero. --Ratstail91 (talk) 02:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Clarification on usage of the indefinite article: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Siddles/a-an.jpg


 * I don't think the Internet meme article is the place to list every widely-used word or phrase with an interesting internet-based etymology: doing so could result in an excessively long and confusing article. A person who is unfamiliar with the phrase "an hero" would do better to consult Urban Dictionary which is a more appropriate medium for such information.


 * Real suicide is not funny. Ever. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 05:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

yes, it is 188.222.41.105 (talk) 21:48, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Millhouse vs. Jack Spicer
On 3 January 2007 00:52, Heyjokerman changed Millhouse is not a meme to JACK SPICER IS NOT A MEME. While there is some evidence of the Jack Spicer variant, the Millhouse version is far more prevalent and appears to have been the version started on 4chan. Judgement by Google.

I suggest the change be reverted to Millhouse. -- Rossj81 12:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Google searches are not reliable sources.—Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 05:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Millhouse is not a meme. However, Millhouse is not a meme is a meme. Millhouse is not a meme is a meme is a meme as well. Millhouse is not a meme is a meme is a meme as well is, thankfully, NOT a meme. 99.164.109.224 (talk) 07:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Extremely well put, 99.164.109.224|.  Aaron  ►  18:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah, what he said. --Ratstail91 (talk) 02:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 'what he said' is a meme. 217.251.167.132 (talk) 10:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC) (Here we go again.)

Needs Rewrite
While I agree that the subject matter is culturally significant enough to warrant a Wikipedia article, it could stand to be rewritten. As it stands, the article comes off as very amateurish and not up to Wikipedia's standards. I'm going to tag it for now, and if no one gets around to rewriting it I'll start work on it soon. &#39;Shoe&#39; McCartt 10:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

"become a meme"?!?!
this parte "If they are repeatedly posted and recycled by the internet community until they become a sort of inside joke, they become a meme." is nonsense, every idea that can be copied is already a meme.

Osias 17:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, this seriously needs a rewrite and then closed,too many people messing around with the article. (Wiggly 03:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC))
 * I disagree, as this has happened. I know ED can't be a reliable source, but a lot of memes started because people start spamming popular sites like 4chan. It goes beyond being copied, to being copied and put EVERYWHERE. IE. Something that's going to end up in forum signatures, image boards, avatars, and forum posts, ect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.28.221 (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Crazy Lady yells at skateboarders
Hi, users of Wikipedia!

I've been searching for an article on the Crazy Lady meme for a while, now, and I can't seem to find anything on the Crazy Lady. Here is a link of what I mean.

I'm very interested in what her name is. And, like I said, there should be an article about the incident - there are a LOT of videos on that on YouTube! Is this impossible, however, to do, or are we able to make an article?

I've only got this much info:


 * One of the photographers is Andrew Cleary.
 * The incident is situated somewhere in Canton, Ohio.

So, anyone who has info on this meme is more than welcome to reply to this message, eh! Thanks! --205.211.16.254 (talk) 17:02, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Does this meme meet the requirements set out at Notability ? If not, it is doubtful that we would host an article for this. –xenotalk 17:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. The meme does meet the requirements. That is why I am baffled as to why NO one has thought of asking for the meme's article, other than me. --205.211.16.254 (talk) 17:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you link me to the reliable sources that dsicuss this meme? –xenotalk 17:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, sir, the link that links to the video is in this section, just click on the word "link". However, I've also got a link to the video that has an interview with Mr. Cleary: as seen here, this is an interview with him. That's about it, though.... it has information about the incident, and the YouTube link shows the whole video. I hope this information is sufficient. --205.211.16.254 (talk) 19:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Without "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"; this would not be considered appropriate for inclusion. While the video arguably comes from a reliable source, it does not discuss the memedom whatsoever. –xenotalk 19:57, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The comments on the YouTube video page clearly makes it memeable. --205.211.16.254 (talk) 20:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * At the very least, though, the meme at least deserves some mentionning somewhere in the memes list. --205.211.16.254 (talk) 20:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * See the FAQ at Talk:List of Internet phenomenon. It seems that without a reliable source that discusses the memedom, it will not be mentioned in the list. –xenotalk 20:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok. Maybe it doesn't need to be a meme article - but, it certainly deserves to be an article on Wikipedia - in my opinion. Are we able to do that, instead of making a meme article, or does the same stuff apply? --205.211.16.254 (talk) 20:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It would be a stretch with the TruTV video as the only reliable source. Maybe in the Aggressive inline skating article... –xenotalk 20:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok. It seems appropriate. I just hope I didn't cause much crap to happen, eh. --205.211.16.254 (talk) 20:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Not at all. By the way, you should consider creating an account. =) –xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk 21:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * This video is one of my favorite memes of all time, and I'm surprised it would even be questionable whether it is a meme. I tried to watch the TruTV video, but could not get it to work. I would love to see this video, if anyone has an alternate link. Also, thanks to a YouTube comment from someone who lives in the area, I was able to ascertain the exact address where this video was recorded. It was in the Rite Aid parking lot at 2906 Cleveland Ave. SW, Canton, OH, 44707. This is easily verified by checking the address on Google Maps. Also, in the video at 3:22, one of the skaters identifies himself as Jeffrey Hamilton, but that could be a pseudonym. Nathanjamesbaker (talk) 05:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I found a working link for the TruTV episode, plus another link in a rollerblading magazine. Those are links that discuss talking to Andrew Cleary. There are hundreds of links going back to October 2005 of people discussing and speculating about the meme itself (at one point the video was one of the most viewed videos on ebaumsworld), but I'm not going to waste my time adding those unless the meme gets its own actual wikipedia page.Nathanjamesbaker (talk) 05:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. Uh, I've got a question. Could you make the account an admin if I made an account? --205.211.16.254 (talk) 21:03, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

&larr; No, I don't have ze powerrrrrr and also admins are typically expected to have a bit more tenure. See How to pass an RfA. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk 21:05, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. I guess I'll have to be patient, then, eh? --205.211.16.254 (talk) 21:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. And create an account of course =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk 21:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Help
The template inappropriate tone template was in the wrong spot, so i moved it, but now it dosen't seem to be working properly. I'm fairly new, so I'm unsure as to what I'm doing wrong. Is this is an innapropiate place to ask this question?

Sign your post, then we'll talk about mercy. 71.80.3.109 (talk) 03:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC) (wowaname)

Image removed?
How does an example of an internet meme not contribute to the article? Why has it been removed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SeriousCat (talk • contribs) 01:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC).


 * A picture of a cat hardly qualifies as a meme. A screaming mouth open on a baby, maybe. A child, saying little memes as it goes to sleep, maybe. Catch the picture?
 * No, I don't. This meme was originally captioned "I are serious cat, this is serious thread."  And after it's usage incresed, other versions showed up like the one I added to the article.

This text appears in the article:

Evolution of Internet memes

Internet memes usually start when someone (usually a forum member), posts a phrase, a picture (usually edited on photoshop to make it more humorous), a flash animation, a song, or a video. They are almost always jokes, the subject of which can be virtually anything. Many common subjects include current events (Michael Richards' racist rant), a funny picture, a stupid or grammatically incorrect phrase (usually taken from a forum), a movie, TV show, or video game, or websites. If those who view the joke find it funny, they will often repost it elsewhere and/or edit the joke in order to add their own twist before reposting it. A good example of recycling a joke is the "All Your Base Are Belong to Us" video on Newgrounds.com, which features a massive amount of pictures with the words "All your base are belong to us" placed in the picture using Photoshop. When the jokes are reposted enough so that the majority of the websites users are aware of it, it becomes a meme. SeriousCat 02:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * (Minor reformating so the whole page is not taken up by a sig). Disagree. Putting a picture of a cat (probably yours) hardly qualifies as a meme. Ronbo76 02:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It IS NOT my cat, it is a WELL KNOWN internet meme. The reason my username is the same as the picture is my real name was taken, and one of the reasons I joined was to upload this picture and improve this article. I'm new to having a userspace and interacting with other wikipedians, but I think it's possible you are assuming bad faith.  SeriousCat 02:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I did not assume bad faith. If I had thought bad faith, I would have issued you a standard template message indicating my concern. I stand by all my comments and edit summary comments
 * I don't know who's cat this is, and I don't have a cat. I have personally seen this meme on several different message boards.

I also just got these by typing "Serious Cat" into a search engine..

http://forums.ytmnsfw.com/showthread.html?t=31487

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=146496227

here's one a friend found for me..

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/08/nothing-new-on-xbla-this-week-but-there-is-ms-pac-man/ SeriousCat 03:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You still do not have consensus on the picture and should be adding back until you do. Ronbo76 22:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The other persons' only reson for removing it was that it was "probably my cat". It is NOT my cat, and I do no see how this is a valid reason to remove it.  There is no consensus on removing the image either.  This is a well known internet meme, and removing it reduces the amount of knowlage contained in this article.  I believe I have presented evidence that this meme is in use, and it's removal as an example goes against the principles and policy of Wikipedia. - SeriousCat 23:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It was and am I who still is opposed. I did not say it was your cat; that was your inferral. Until consensus is reached, one revert rule general Wikipedia karma is to not re-do (or in essence, revert) back an edit. This causes edit wars which are not helpful. Just because the picture exists on other self-posted sites does not make it meme. A meme is something that becomes lasting or legendary also like Kilroy was here or signs posted stating "George Washington slept here". The cat does not rise to that level.
 * You DID say it was "probably" my cat. It's a matter of record. ^ I quote: "a picture of a cat (probably yours) hardly qualifies as a meme". Just because you aren't plugged in enough to know about a meme, dosen't mean it isn't one. I have provided ample evidence. Click the third link I posted.  This is obviously a meme that is in use. I merely wanted to put the image as an example of a meme, and improve the article, and you have provided NO valid arguments as to why it shouldn't be there.  I give up.  This isn't an encylcopedia, it's a snobby social club.  I will no longer attempt to edit this article. - SeriousCat 00:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow. Well, someone put the image back, and I would like to point out that it wasn't me. - SeriousCat 01:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Redirect
I redirected this page to List of Internet phenomena, as it was completely duplicative of that more comprehensive article. Krimpet 18:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

They are not the same thing. A meme does not become a phenomenon until it has been seen in the real world
 * According to virtually every source I can find, as well as the definition at List of Internet phenomena, they are exact synonyms. Krimpet 14:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Well now there seem to be two articles with pretty much the same name but different case linking to different places: Internet Phenomenon and Internet phenomenon.(Jamesdlow (talk) 07:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC))
 * I just changed that so they both link here. I suppose if it were phenomena instead of phenomenon it could go there.  Anyway, both articles link to each other.  Also, the division between the two articles is now that one is a list and the other is the main article; we're not really trying to distinguish between the terms "meme" (which is used in an inexact sense, not the scientific definition) and "phenomenon" (used to mean "popular sensation" or something like that). Wikidemo (talk) 08:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Rewriting article
I am in process of rewriting the article as proposed. It had been deleted entirely after a complete rewrite was proposed, and after an editor noted that the article was completely duplicative of list of Internet phenomena. I agree that "Internet phenomena" and "Internet memes" are nearly identical terms (I say "nearly" because not all suddenly popular things on the Internet are memes in the strict sense, but for all intents and purposes, they are). However, the other article is a list with very little descriptive information. To satisfy the encyclopedic mission of Wikipeda the primary article should discuss the thing itself, and not merely be a list of examples. I've chosen to create that article from scratch rather than massively edit the existing list, which is semi-protected as it is and which would end up stirring up controversy. Best to do what we have elsewhere, which is a main article and a subsidiary article that is a list. I chose "Internet meme" as opposed to "Internet phenomenon" for the article name because that is a slightly more common usage as per google, and most of the sources of any quality I have found call it a meme rather than a phenomenon. Either way one should redirect to the other.

To preempt any speedy deletion or reversion attempt I'm attaching a hangon tag for now. Sorry to save this before its time but I'm building up the internal redirects and links, which is hard to do without having an article in place. I'm working on filling it out and adding some references to bring it up to a solid stub article. Memes are such a big thing on the Internet it would be nice if people could help improve it at least to a "Start" or B-class article. Wikidemo 22:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggest you use a personal sandbox in the future, the hangon tags are not meant to be used in this manner. SGGH speak! 22:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * All done now! Thanks for the suggestion.  Wikidemo 05:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Huge amount of misinformation on this page

 * How does an "internet meme" refer to "a much broader category of cultural information" than a meme? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkbnett (talk • contribs) 04:15, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

-Memes are memes regardless of popularity or success.

-Memes are memes regardless of amusement or entertainment.

-Digital data, eg videos, websites, images, etc, are not memes. They do not pass from one mind to another; they generally stay on one server. EG The idea of sharing the video is a meme, quoting lines from it are memes, but the video it's self is not a meme. (You could possibly call some of them a ‘memotype’, however even this doesn’t always work as you can’t store a whole video or whole website in your mind.)

Most of later part of the page is either miscellaneous or just irrelevant info. I would correct this page but it seems to be entirely based of these misconceptions. I think it would be better just to delete this page as it can be summed up in one line: "Memes can spread via the internet." If they are particularly notable memes then the meme page can mention them. Xep 06:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree with any proposal to delete. It claims its own notability, it is notable, it is widely discussed, and it is cited so please don't.  I wrote most of the article and I stand by it.  Rock solid, if rather tentative.  It is cited and supported by what major publications say about Internet memes.  As I say, the word is used in three senses: (1) the thing that is passed from person to person, in this case a digital file; (2) the subejct of the content, i.e. the joke itself (which is what you are probably thinking of as a meme), and (3) the phenomenon as a whole -- i.e. the fact that 1/2 million people just heard the joke is an incidence of a meme.  The word "virus" is also used in the same 3 senses: the dna arrangement, the individual instance of it, and the outbreak.  Describing the various classes of memes is certainly useful and correct -- particularly PR and advertising, which self-consciously claims itself to be generating Internet memes and gets covered as such by the press.  This article was separated out from the list of Internet Phenomena for a reason discussed in the talk page.  Wikipedia is mostly an encyclopedia of articles about things, not a list of things.  Perhaps you are objecting to the application of the term "meme" to Internet phenomena. That's not for us Wikipedians to decide, because the term is so used.   It's a fair criticism that what is called (and what I wrote about as) an Internet meme is not a true meme, just as there is criticism (discussed in the meme article) that memes themselves are an empty concept.  If so, why not add a section like "criticism of terminology", if you can find some good citations.  If not, you are doing what some semi-scientists do when they claim that white, or black, is not really a color.  Fine.  But please don't delete the article on white or black from Wikipedia in response.  Wikidemo 06:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You only need to read any book that gives the definition of 'meme' to see that it is not compatible with the definition (the one given here at least) of 'internet meme'. I agree that it's become popular to call fads/popular things 'memes', but that's just a common misunderstanding.  If 'internet meme' has become popular enough that it is now its own phrase with a different meaning, then you need make it clear that they are not memes in the traditional sense.  This is not POV, it is a fact that we have to two different definitions, ie 'internet meme' (Popular online fads) and 'memes spread via internet' (Normal memes in the true sense of the word).  Xep 07:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Very interesting point, and perhaps a distinction worth being made in this article. An argument that some or all of what are commonly referred to as "Internet memes" are not really memes is worth making - to avoid opinion, POV, and original research-like issues you would have to point to a secondary source that says so rather than simply making a case here based on primary sources.  Then the question becomes whether real memes on the net are a distinct sub-class of memes that is worth writing about.  If so they deserve their own article, or we could divide the Internet memes article between true Internet memes, and things that are known as Internet memes that are not real memes.  It would be like writing an article about, say, Parmesan cheese.  You could divide that article between the true cheese from Parma that meets all the criteria, versus a style of cheesemaking the world over that also carries that name.  The other possibility is that there isn't really anything special about memes when they happen to be on the net.  One analogy might be warriors.  There is a common term called "road warriors" that covers a distinct class of people.  They are not really warriors.  However, there is no real sub-class of true warriors who happen to be on the road and as such "road warriors" in the sense of trained career fighters who happen to be in a passenger vehicle at the time is not a point worth making.  I hope that's reasonably clear.   I'm fine with and encourage you to add all the wisdom you want to this article.  That's what Wikipedia is for -- make it better!  Just, please, don't eviscerate the article about the pop culture phenomenon that's called an "Internet meme."  It was a step in the right direction to separate the article describing the phenomenon from the other article that serves as a list of various people's favorite examples.  Thx.  Wikidemo 09:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * These last two posts get to the heart of what I personally see to be the primary issue on this page, which is that there is a misunderstanding between what a "meme" is, meaning a basic unit of cultural information that Richard Dawkins proposed to exist in his book The Selfish Gene (and to the best of my knowledge his argument has not achieved the degree of success in academia that say evolution or even string theory has), and what an "internet meme" is, that is a fad that is transmitted over or otherwise engendered by the internet and the existence of which is doubted by nobody who has ever encountered one. Just ask Chuck Norris.  I'm going to edit the introduction to make the faddish nature of an internet meme more apparent and also mention that the name is inspired by but has little in actuality to do with the idea of a meme.--BlackAndy 02:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Over 9000
Some anon tried to request an article on "over 9000" (see e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI or http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Over_9000) but failed. Only reference on Wikipedia is in Cosplay. I don't care what you leute do with it, I just drop it here on the talk page and you can discuss amongst yourselves. Shinobu 06:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely not. This is a meme limited to the chans. It is virtually unknown otherwise.


 * True, but it's also used on Encyclopedia Dramatica —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.239.143 (talk) 05:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * False! I have never been on 4chan and I know about that, it has been spread person to person, and I personally have seen it on Runescape. Kilshin (talk) 15:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, I don't get that one. It's not very well written, it's too much an in-universe type of thing, but it should be clarified for us, mortals. --Surten (talk) 05:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)Surten


 * It's simply a quote from DragonBall Z. It became widely know when the number '7' was made to wordfilter to it on 4chan. Similar to the "That was easy!" line from the move Office Space being used as a marketing campaign by Staples. Also, what was the point of throwing one German word in the middle of an English paragraph? (leute) --Crimson Bleeding Souls (talk) 20:58, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It's on the WP:HOLICTEST. --TLB —Preceding unsigned comment added by T3h 1337 b0y (talk • contribs) 20:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The stupidity level of this discussion is over 9000. This is a very legit meme, and should be mentioned on this page somewhere, like on a list of memes.--Ratstail91 (talk) 02:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Really, does it even deserve its own article? In my eyes it had died, and it has no historical significance at ALL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.53.47.29 (talk) 16:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd like to say that even though I don't go on 4chan or encyclopedia w.e. you typed, I have seen OVER NINE THOUSAND on different websites. I've seen it typed in forums and also in youtube videos (i.e. youtube poops)

I know someone'll probably think "oh well we don't know who you are, so it's original research" but it has been used pretty often outside of those 2 websites. --91.105.92.33 (talk) 21:29, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I dissagree, It is very well one of the best known memes out there. I have seen it used on clothing in stores, ads for products, and the like. of course, this is one of many memes that should be here, but this is one of the more important ones. I'd sign this, but I forgot my username and password.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.237.194 (talk) 00:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Chocolate rain
I just heard this term, and plugging it in Wikipedia, I get this article, Internet meme. Anyone know what Chocolate rain is? And if it's noteworthy enough to redirect, shouldn't there be some explanation somewhere here of what it is? Thanks. --TallulahBelle 00:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Same here, and I'm alost positive that "Chocolate Rain" or Tay Zonday at least had a page on here at one time that must've been deleted. I also think that if those pages were scrapped, there should at least be a mention of those memes on the page to which the terms redirect. This is probably the wrong page to redirect to anyway, considering that there's an entire category of internet memes on Wikipedia that would work better. --67.65.58.180 11:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

It was deleted. I remember from the talk page of that article that there was a consensus growing to keep it, even thought it was a a candidate for deletion. If some angry person didn't like it having an article that's fine, but it should at least be listed on the list of interent phenomena. Tay Zonday's been on G4, Opie & Anthony, and others, not even because of his other videos (turbotax, his rickroll, etc) which are popular as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA


 * Chocolate Rain, which is by Tay Zonday, contains the well known meme, "**I move away from the mic to breath in." --ANormalUsername1 (talk) 17:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Please review Verifiability for sourcing requirements. Youtube is not a  reliable source.  If it deserves its own article, it deserves its own article.  The place where these things have been linked isn't in this article, it's in list of Internet phenomena.  There's a discussion on the talk page.  Somebody finally found a newspaper article about it so it seems likely to reappear.  Wikidemo 23:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That's not the kind of source they were talking about, sheesh. Howdoesthiswo 19:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Zomgwtfpwn
This person made some pretty questionable edits to the page. Please be on the lookout. Sanjayhari 07:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

oh noes! itz a m3m3!
OMGWTFBBQPWNZOMGWTF... I herd you liek mudkipz... DESU DESU... meroooow neko neko... (insert adjective) (insert noun) is (insert same adjective you used before)... pool's closed... WEEABOO WEEABOO...1000 get... V&...b&... in b4 (insert something)...

some examples of "chan" memes I've seen as of late.

204.52.215.13 23:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

"Blog Meme" is not the same as the "Meme"

While utility of memetics is still debated in academic circles, the word "meme" evolved a very distinct meaning on blogs. Moreover, most of the examples given on this page do not represent "blog memes" - they are NOT just pages or pieces of information that spread a lot across the internet, but a very specific form of it, usually in a form of a series of questions and a number of subsequent bloggers who are "tagged" to answer those same questions on their own blogs, tagging new people etc. Thus, it is semi-organic and semi-designed - the first person decides which part of the blogosphere to target first and the subsequent players then spread it to other blogospheric nodes. Sometimes a piece of text or a piece of code is used for tracking the spread of the meme. Here are some examples of recent memes (just those I did over the last couple of years, but you can find many more if you start looking around): http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2006/11/blog_memes.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2006/12/year_in_review_meme.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2006/12/hanukah_meme.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/02/i_am_a_sucker_for.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/02/beauty_not_just_featherdeep.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/04/why_do_you_blog_meme.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/04/why_do_you_blog_meme.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/08/eight_random_facts_meme_take_2.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/09/cool_animal_meme.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/10/the_pharyngula_mutating_genre.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/10/i_rank_number_one_on_google_me.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/10/happy_hallomeme.php

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/11/meme_of_four_again.php

Psychological explanation?
I came (OMG DID U REALLY JUST WRITE THAT?) to this article (indeed, I typed "Internet meme" into the search and clicked "Go") to see if anybody's made some sort of explanation for why certain phrases, pictures, and audio clips spread like crazy through the internet, though there's nothing of the sort here. I can understand why this article is relatively short; in reading the discussion, it was fairly recently resurrected.

Has there been any case where somebody tried to figure out WHY internet memes are popular? It stands out to me in that it's a major exception to the commonly-understood idea that jokes become less funny when told multiple times. Rather, in this case, their appeal seems to COME from how they are repeated. Personally, this kind of repetition is ad nauseam, but those who are into internet memes, from my experiences, not only never grow tired of seeing the likes of Chuck Norris or cat photographs or whatnot, actually finding it FUNNIER the more they see it, but they tend to personally attack those who openly admit they're tired of these things.

Where does the appeal of an internet meme come from? Is it a desire to spread knowledge to other people, a wide-scale and distilled version of telling a joke? Does it derive from a sense of being accepted, in that the people who display memes are showing to other people that they, too, are aware of the subject of the meme? Is the repeated display of a meme a projection of the poster's immediate thoughts in that something that stands out will freuqnelty reappear in one's head?

By the way, I've seen the "Over 9000" thing put up pretty much everywhere. No messgae board I've been to recently has managed to completely evade it, and I see it all over the likes of YouTube. I'm not too clear on the distinction between a chan meme and a regular internet meme, as the lion's share of them that originate from 4chan seem to have spilled all over the Web. Ron Stoppable (talk) 05:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, all of these questions have been answered. Read the larger theory of memes.


 * I've always thought of memes like in this: each person on the interwebz (interwebz refering to people on 4chan, ED etc. rather than legit sites yahoo etc.) as cells in a body; anonymous as the person using that body, and the memes as anon's thoughts. If that made sense to you, you're the only one who understands it. --Ratstail91 (talk) 02:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The entire internet?
A website like 4chan hardly classifies as the entire internet. 70.89.165.91 (talk) 22:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * for some people, it is. --Ratstail91 (talk) 02:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

History?
First blog meme? Evolution of the concept? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.142.60 (talk) 06:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, we're a work in progress. You're welcome to research this and add any reliably sourced results to the article. Wikidemo (talk) 18:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also note, your originality isn't welcome in wikipedia. So stop with your research. 67.160.164.94 (talk) 02:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I change the wording describing the Hampster Dance as "one of the first widely distributed Internet memes", as it seems only to date back to 1998. (Has mid 1990s become an ancient era beyond human memory and before recorded history?) -- costing the internet hundreds if not thousands of dollars RIGHT NOW, Infrogmation (talk) 23:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think there was a viral vid (past around on a vedeo tape) from before the internet or interwebz, but i can't think what it was. --Ratstail91 (talk) 02:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

overkill?
I was brought to this page from the text on another page (goatse.cx entry). Is anyone else bothered by the fact that an overused neologism is being used in an encyclopedic article? Neologisms make good wikipedia entries, but they do not belong in articles. They require time to settle. As well, there are words that can be overused without even being neologisms, which would be the case for meme, were it a standard English word. For example, if semiotics were as vogue as Dawkins, we might start every wikipedia entry with "X is a signifier for the referent Y." While true in the model it assumes, it is biased in style and approach. Such bias makes the encyclopedia clumsy, dated, and unstable. Meme suffers similar overkill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.249.102.31 (talk) 20:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If 3/4 of the way through the previous century ( 1976 ) is what you consider new ( "neo" ), I wonder if you've left similar notes about radiation, or how Kosovo ( which only declared independance in 2008 ) is far too novel to be included in an encyclopedia. And when the term meme was coined, the internet was still aarpanet;  certainly you're trying to get the internet article removed as a neologism!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.142.60 (talk) 01:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's clearly a notable phenomenon. Whether the term used to describe it is a neologism or not it's very common: 250,000 google hits and 500 google news articles.  Memes in a general vernacular or technical sense more so, obviouly.  We set out to describe the state of knowledge in the world - if the world uses new terms that sound odd, I think the complaint is about the world, not the encyclopedia.  Wikidemo (talk) 20:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Huh?--Ratstail91 (talk) 02:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Forced Internet meme

 * IMO this section is pretty stupid, and should either be rewritten to something less resembling an insipid Internet message board post, or removed entirely. JuJube (talk) 07:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the section is the same as the self-promotion sectuib. "forced" does not seem to be a real term.  The point is that some memes are created on purpose as a matter of marketing.   It's best to give this article a lot of room because many new editors enjoy it.  No harm done if people add a few things for a while...just cut it back if and when it gets out of hand.  Wikidemo (talk) 07:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * At the very least, the Milhouse crap has to go. JuJube (talk) 08:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The Milhouse one is also mentioned at Metameme, I'm not sure whether it's more appropriate there or whether it also should be removed from that page as well. --Angelastic (talk) 08:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A proper meme is one that began on it's own, right out of the void(Numa numa, All your base). But a forced meme is either created for publicity, of from someone just trying to get famous(Snakes on a plane, holeman).--Ratstail91 (talk) 02:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This term is more likely coined by KYM. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.104.127.1 (talk) 01:47, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Terry tate
Is Terry Tate an internet meme? It started as a Superbowl commercial but ended up with a significantly online-only presence (apparently only two commercials were aired on TV, and only once each). WLU (t) (c) (rules - simple rules) 13:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Milhouse is NOT a meme!
In case anyone asks, Milhouse Van Houten is NOT an Internet Meme! --Bushido Hacks (talk) 02:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ORLY!? -Raziel (talk) 19:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * YARLY! -Crimson Bleeding Souls (talk) 21:17, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop doing that. the lulz a brilliant, but ur gonna get pwned by admin. Or moot.--Ratstail91 (talk) 02:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Milhouse is a meme. http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/10740/original/2d3a7.jpg  http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/8476/original/74.jpg 76.178.228.63 (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * "Milhouse is not a meme" is a meme, however milhouse without any mentioning of "not a meme" is not a meme by itself
 * Just because someone got a post and it ended with the right number, does not mean it is a meme :p Jameilious (talk) 10:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

123 Profit / ??? Meme
This meme is extremely pervasive on social websites such as digg & reddit. It is usually in the form of: The original form appeared on Gnomes_(South_Park_episode). There is some discussion on that talk page as well. There is also a definition on urbandictionary.com (non-reliable source):.
 * 1) (Take part in an action of some sort)
 * 2) (Take part in a related action to the first)
 * 3) Profit!
 * 1) Profit!

The "Gaucho Theory" is apparently the theory that "creating an internet meme" could be what "???" refers too after a man sold a drawing of a spider on ebay for thousands of dollars. It was brought up by a reddit user on November 20, 2008 and discussed on this page: .

Unfortunately, I could not find any reliable sources on the 123 Profit meme or the Gaucho theory so far that could be used for a Wikipedia page. --Macrowiz (talk) 18:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

To the second commenter: I know you are just trolling/joking. However, I am going to pretend for a moment that you are not. I will start by sayiing that the comments made on that post on reddit are all trolls/jokes. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MEME, the joke at its heart, is that you HAVE NO IDEA what the ??? could possibly be. let us examine the original:


 * 1) steal underpants
 * 2) PROFIT
 * 1) PROFIT

there is no conceivable way (outside of japan) where 2 could have any possible rational meaning. that is why it is funny. if 2 meant something, if ??? had some actual meaning, then there would be NO comedy inherent to the meme. your immediate and transparent lack of understanding of the meme, its overall meaning, its source, and really the entire cultural basis behind such memes makes you an obvious "outsider," n00b, etc. you are one of the people who hears a joke and then, laughing, says: "hahaha, its like [insert exact meaning of the joke] hahaha"  which immediately kills the joke for everyone else (who respond:  "yes [idiot], thats the joke.  Thanks") To Macrowiz: the episode is South park Season 2, episode 18 "gnomes" released on december 16 1998 (it is WAY older than wikipedia, lol). that is the source, that is the reference.

is this a meme?
i always thought that meme's included the type of thing that used to be sent around on emails and is not popular on livejournal, myspace and facebook. a sort of questionarre, such as the one that asks you to randomize your music library and use the songs that come up as the answers to questions about yourself. are these things memes? thanks. --69.108.218.164 (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No. That's called chain spam. And don't you mean 'questionnaire'? --Crimson Bleeding Souls (talk) 21:12, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Neologism means a single word
...I'm pretty sure. So internet meme is not a neologism, it is a phrase. Meme by itself is arguably a neologism, though as pointed out above, 1976 is actually quite a long time ago (linguistically speaking). Hadrian89 (talk) 21:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

You forgot AYB!
All your article are belong 2 ME!Ms dos mode (talk) 04:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC) Engrish, is fun. SRY?! AYB is a dying meme, Someone has to do something to bring it back. CPR, Iv, RSPCA, anything to keep it out of the history books (assuming that someone writes history books about dead memes). Do u really want AYB to be the new milhouse? --Ratstail91 (talk) 03:00, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Dawkins image with made-up text
I have removed the image of Dawkins with overlayed text "I invented Memes. LOOK IT UP!". Another editor has removed the same image from Meme, and the issue is briefly discussed on the talk page. In brief: it is not encyclopedic to overlay made-up text as if the subject of the picture had made the statement.

The history seems to be that File:Richard dawkins lecture.jpg was copied from Flickr for use here with caption "Dawkins lecturing on his book The God Delusion, June 24, 2006."

Two months ago a user overlayed the "I invented..." text onto the above image in File:Dawkins-Memes.jpg and added it to Meme and Internet meme. Many web sites make parodies by overlaying text onto a picture, but I do not think such examples should appear in encyclopedic articles. There was a claim that images of Dawkins with overlayed text are themselves an example of a meme (an image macro). If that is true, we need a source, and we can't make up our own image which is definitely not a meme (self-fulfilling original research). Some alternative image could be found if needed. Johnuniq (talk) 00:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

examples
How do u think, examples is needed in the article? --91.124.124.133 (talk) 01:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC) orly, sparta, etc?
 * I don't think an encyclopedic article needs examples in a list like those recently added. Instead (if desirable), an appropriate place in the article should be found, and the information placed in a sentence. In support, at WP:MOS we read "Do not use lists if a passage reads easily using plain paragraphs". Another issue is that there is a never-ending list of phrases that could be added to the article; however, the article shouldn't be a repository of what people think are examples of Internet memes (we should use reliable sources). Note also that "This is sparta" is already in the article, and that the issue of adding stuff has been discussed on this page. I'll see what others think and may return later. Johnuniq (talk) 02:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced
I suggest that we pay more attention to the comment in the wikitext at the top of the article:
 * Please do not add examples of Internet memes to this page, except where they are sourced and crucial to explaining what an Internet meme is. If you want to discuss a notable Internet meme, write an article about it and/or add it to the article List of internet phenomena.

"Sourced" means a reference with a secondary source where an independent analysis concludes that the item is an Internet meme. Original research is not allowed on Wikipedia, so it is not sufficient for an editor to add a link or phrase and claim that it is yet another example of a meme. Johnuniq (talk) 03:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

pronunciation
"(pronounced /mɛm/, mème)" - why, when the word "meme" itself is pronounced /mi:m/? Lfh (talk) 15:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The word "meme" was invented by Richard Dawkins who said that "meme" should rhyme with "cream", and is intended to sound like "gene" (see the reference given in the first sentence of Meme). Johnuniq (talk) 01:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. It was wrong ("mem") so I've corrected it.  Lfh (talk) 09:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I added a note about pronunciation in the article, as that might be helpful to readers. ZionistConspiracy (talk) 05:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I would suggest we add the actual pronunciation to the pronunciation section, that might be a tiny bit redundant, but relatively new wikipedians like me might expect the actual pronunciation to appear in a pronunciation section. Rorossier (talk) 07:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Internet meme list?
Is there anything approaching a list? I mean, limecat is a deleted article, and I'd love to see a short paragraph like the following, for memes that I've heard of as well as those memes I probably have missed: Limecat

"limecat is not amused" was an internet meme dating back as far as 2004, when seen on cncden.com. Even though generally recognized as a pomelo, the intellectual montage of a "lime" on a "sour puss" caused widespread popularity. Searching the image that appeared on limecat.net in 2005 using tineye.com yields 170 results, with this cat having varied captions and side-by-side comparisons to individuals famous and otherwise. --Jndrline (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC) personally i would like to see an article on the tails doll meme, you know, where if you tag super sonic with him in sonic r or listen to can you feel the sunshine backwards he will kill you at midnight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edfreak9001 (talk • contribs) 11:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Misinformation
My main problem with this article is the "see also" section. Viral youtube videos are not analogous with memes. I also don't believe that Bloody GIR should be on this list.--129.186.13.209 (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've pruned the list - too many entries duplicated those in Category:Internet memes, which is already included. Mind  matrix  17:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge?
Should this page be merged with list of internet phenomena? Or maybe moved to Internet phenomena for easiness. I never knew this page existed until just now. Kausill 02:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Imma Firin Mah... Wait, what?
I noticed that the link to Shoop Da Whoop redirects here, yet there is little to no information about it on the internet, let alone Wikipedia. Can someone post more information on it, or at least give me a link? Thank you. Arwingpedia Member Canis Shepalute - Official Wikipedia Signature: 65.13.84.34 (talk) 08:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits
I just changed all cases of 'internet' to 'Internet' I was unsure which one is correct as it is a grey/gray area. I chose Internet due to there being more occurances in the text.

I also changed a few things but nothing too major, I am now going to try and find some sources for things

Post here with any problems rather than just reverting

Jameilious (talk) 10:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Know Your Meme
Is not a A website dedicated to archiving memes, gathering statistics to establish notability and illustrating many variations of memes. It is, in short, a website full of plagiarism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.115.32 (talk) 21:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, several of KYM's articles are plagiarized from ED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lousit (talk • contribs) 02:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * And that's what makes it fun.Nightvisiongoggles (talk) 18:53, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I bet these are written by /b/tards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.104.127.1 (talk) 01:43, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Confusing article
I'm concerned that this article only brings more confusion about the concept of meme. If i should very briefly summarise what is said here it would be something like : "internet meme are funny links". I don t think that is really satisfying as there is clearly nothing memetic about it.

This article subject is internet phenomenom. The fact that they are also called "internet meme" should be mensionned as the fact that this is most of the time a misinterpretation of the concept of meme (wich i happen to use from time to time for the sake of the conversation, but wikipedia has other standard) but i think the article shloud be renamed or merged with the list of internet phenomenom.

Mo osska (talk) 12:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Concrete examples of spreading
I think it would be useful to devote a section of this page to recognizing some of the media through which memes spread, to give readers an idea of how such quick proliferation can happen (e.g. ytmnd, 4chan, canv.as etc.). Xaq2892 (talk) 17:51, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Consider this...
I think that the internet meme is more known in the present internet-based culture, and should be the redirect page of the search of meme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicGallade (talk • contribs) 18:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In an encyclopedia, meme needs to be about the encyclopedic topic (and it includes a "main article" link to here). Wikipedia is not the right place for information on current internet memes. Johnuniq (talk) 23:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

9gag
removed the link to the 9gag article at "see also". somebody is really trying hard to force it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.114.157.99 (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

9GAG
Why did you delete the link tot 9GAG? Maybe not important enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wout159 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

9GAG again
Dear 9gag users! Would you please be so kind and stop forcing your website in this article? This is an encyclopedia and not advertising space for your favourite site! 9gag is just one of many websites using internet memes without even being notable in creating any. So why does it deserve to be mentioned in this article?

And btw, I read this: http://9gag.com/gag/1536907

So please, just stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardring (talk • contribs) 23:41, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

first world problems
Hello editors of the meme page. I stumbled across the first world problem page a day or two ago. It has problems of its own. Initially I thought it was a non-notable neologism per wp:neo. There's at least one reliable source that references the term that an IP editor just added, so maybe the term is more notable than I thought. But I find the subject distasteful and can't bring myself to work on the page. Also, I don't know much about meme notability. I thought y'all might want/be willing to take a look at it. AgnosticAphid talk 17:05, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Top 10
I do not understand what's the problem with including 10 most popular memes. If you are creating an article about internet memes and call it an "encyclopedic article", why are most popular ones helpful to it?--Yerevanci (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There is already a list of internet memes, we do not need to list them here as well. Please note that as you made the change and it was reverted, protocol states that YOU must gain consensus to change the article. If there is no consensus then the article stays as it was BEFORE your change. Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 22:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, as I understand, you're referring to List of Internet phenomena, which lists the popular viral subjects once popular on internet. I didn't find any of the pictures which most people understand by saying the word "memes", e.g. "Y u no" or the Philosoraptor, etc. Don't you think they should be added to this article? I mean, I don't see any reason why shouldn't they. Maybe I don't understand something, please explain. I'm not here to edit-war or push my own opinion.--Yerevanci (talk) 22:48, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a list of what is currently fashionable to an arbitrary group of people. If a very reliable source described how X is a well known Internet meme, with some analysis (not just a space-filling mention), then mention of X might be warranted. Johnuniq (talk) 22:53, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if you don't consider memegenerator.net reliable, where millions of memes were created, why was List of Internet phenomena even created? Weren't they "fashionable to an arbitrary group of people" as well? --Yerevanci (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Because List of Internet phenomena is a sourced article and is encyclopedic. The top 10 list you are trying to insert is the direct opposite (Unsourced and unencyclopedic) and as such it does not belong here unless you source it and make it encyclopedic (I would recommend using a sandbox in your userspace to build the list and ask for feedback (And receive fully positive feedback) on it before putting it in!). Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 11:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, enough of the slow edit war. I've fully protected the page for a couple of weeks, please work it out here on the talk page or seek further input through the WP:DR process.  Dreadstar  ☥   00:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 11:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 June 2012
Article currently reads: "The earliest known usage of the word meme is in the book The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins published in 1976."

But the ref clearly shows how he invented it.

Suggest change to: "Richard Dawkins created the neologism for his 1976 book The Selfish Gene."

-- Limulus (talk) 01:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No comments from other editors, so ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for implementing my suggestion, though I apologize that it appears to have created ambiguity (implying that RD introduced the term "internet meme" rather than just "meme") Thus:

Where the article currently reads:

The term is a reference to the concept of memes, although the latter concept refers to a much broader category of cultural information. Richard Dawkins created the neologism for his 1976 book The Selfish Gene.

Suggest change to:

The term is a reference to the concept of memes (a neologism created by Richard Dawkins for his 1976 book The Selfish Gene), although the latter concept refers to a much broader category of cultural information.

-- Limulus (talk) 01:55, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for these ideas but I don't think action is needed until the full protection is lifted ("expires 00:36, 21 June 2012"). It's not as if there is some blunder that needs to be fixed. The full protection was a bit enthusiastic as the reverted edit plainly warrants removal as unencylopedic. Johnuniq (talk) 02:03, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 2nd edit now made :) -- Limulus (talk) 09:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Futurama Meme Of A Meme
On June 20, 2012, the opening caption of Futurama Season 7 Episode 1 did a "meme of a meme" using the "Futuram Fry" meme. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  06:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

The teh?
Im not sure about people intentionally writing teh, i found myself doing it unintentionally, probably because my hands are slowing down (or cold!). i move my hands to press both keys in order but the reflex to press H is a little slow, and E gets pressed sooner than H. maybe there is now a following, making it a meme but im sure it started by accident.Charlieb000 (talk) 09:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Dolan
This is a serious comment about a very unserious meme. Dolan has been known to be the meme that everyone "loves to hate" and has become so popular that I feel it should have at least a sentence on this article. It's the pinnacle of Disney related memes and even has it's own section on Memebase as well as websites dedicated to it. Why not give the little psychopathic and sexually explicit duck that would give any English teacher a heart attack a little credit? --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 19:34, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Reference update
Reference 5 needs an updated link to http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/29/business/worldbusiness/29iht-carr.1839216.html?_r=0 as the page has moved! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.221.5 (talk) 12:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed; thanks for pointing that out! -- Limulus (talk) 04:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Reference 6 needs to be removed completely; the website linked to contains no content. Eeyore004 (talk) 22:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)eeyore004 12/03/2012
 * ❌ It's used to cite the usage of memes in ads. - M0rphzone (talk) 00:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Year-end review of 'meme' popularity increasing
FYI, eight 2012 examples, some good, some lame: — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

dead link in references.
Hi,

I don't know how to edit references but I did notice that the last link in the references for this wiki (memes.org link) is dead.

Anyway hopefully some one can edit it.

Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albymangels (talk • contribs) 00:44, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

major rewrite necessary
Although the source i'd added (technopedia.com) was apparently in fact a copy of an old version of this article, it did in fact mention the synonyms "Internet phenomenon" and "Internet fad". In any case, there was no need to remove them because there were good reasons to mention these synonyms in older versions of this article. We even have a disambig page saying as much: Internet_phenomena.

A bigger problem is that we list Shifman's important book in the references but don't cite it enough, not even in the explanation of the concept! Worse still, we don't have any good source for our explanation. We have as our only source a ridiculously unreliable one - a newspaper, and a very unreliable one at that. So it's no surprise our explanation ("definition") is simply wrong - it could just as well refer to a viral video. In addition, Shifman's important research and its differentiation between content, form, and stance is simply ignored by the article. Here are 4 sources for an emergency fix of the currently embarrassing state of one of the most important articles on the digital age, something people will (erroneously) think Wikipedia knows more about than most other Internet sources:

Shifman's book. The pages 37 to 40 of the crucial ones (probably 37 to 42) are visible.

This (with material from Shifman's book) and even this abstract are much better than what we have.

This looks very good too.--Espoo (talk) 18:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

See also Talk:Meme for a discussion of that article's naive and incorrect presentation of the concept as having been invented by Dawkins without mention of the history of the concept and related ones. --Espoo (talk) 10:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Should a line be added on how "meme" has taken on a new definition on the internet to replace "image macro"?
"Meme" is now synonymous with "Image Macro." Should that be added? --99.170.160.31 (talk) 06:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, as soon as a source referring to it can be found. It's taking over as the "new" definition, from what I can see.  Here's an example:

"Post to /r/chromecast

subscribe users 33,854 here ~65

Rules


 * NO Spamming
 * NO Bullying
 * NO Memes"


 * From Reddit. Apparently those irritating pictures with words in them that lazy people send all over facebook are in a class with spam and bullying now. Makes sense to me!


 * I think this use of the word should be documented at meme, too. Huw Powell (talk) 14:13, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The proper term that you are referring to is an "Advice Animal." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.67.173.198 (talk) 23:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

The Internet and cats
Please swing by and help improve this new article! :D--Coin945 (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Is There A List Of Circulating Memes That Isnt Old Enough To Not Be Up To Date Right Now ?
I want to find a Hold The Door circulating meme. At least I think its a meme. It can be an injoke I figure. BatmobileFire (talk) 11:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC) I discovered its from a book with a title doodoo. BatmobileFire (talk) 10:37, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

There's no relevant memes here.
Where's harambae Pepe and M chicken! Hannah Morrison 23 (talk) 07:48, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

This should probably be called Image Meme, not *Internet* Meme
Internet meme is much too general, and is not even accurate; image memes are not bound to the Internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.149.62.120 (talk) 14:15, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Trivia
The most popular meme, is Gangnam Style! The most common popular memes consists of cats! Gibftw (talk) 00:56, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

A page such as this should be edited frequently enough, yet its not
Overall image meme formats have changed a lot and are always changing, for example image macros (i presume theyre called that, im talking about top-text/bottom-text) are outdated and sparsely used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsBeef (talk • contribs) 19:40, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You can help out! Help:Getting started And I agree. --Fixuture (talk) 01:49, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Plebs/Scrubs
Plebs and scrubs are people who are despicable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:121A:8046:5C51:9F74:9628:6514 (talk) 01:32, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Important addition (needs completion)
Add Fad to "See also" section — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.228.101.152 (talk) 22:11, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2016
The examples in the beginning paragraph are incredibly outdated and do not reflect the identity of memes today. Instead, use spongegar, pepe, dat boi, spiderman, etc. Bubblelordsoap (talk) 03:48, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  10:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2017
A classic meme from 2009 is a video of Keemstar who runs the popular YouTube channel dramaalert which reports the youtube news. Behind the meme Keemstar was a moderator on the site blog.tv which he had to choose channels that where streaming to the front page his competing moderator alex was putting keemstar to the front to get him banned as they were not allowed to put themselves on the front page so keemstar made the memorable video calling out allex where he called him a nigg*r and told everyone to type in the chat that alex was a stupid nigg*r he was then banned from the sight and this has now become a meme. 125.236.199.41 (talk) 03:15, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  03:31, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2017
Please add the DOI to the following reference under "further reading" so that it can be tracked with altmetrics: Wiggins, Bradley E., & Bowers, G. Bret. (2014). Memes as genre: A Structurational Analysis of the Memescape. New Media & Society. 1–21. Nms.sagepub.com doi:10.1177/1461444814535194 Npwebster (talk) 14:58, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Gulumeemee (talk) 03:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

example of a non-macro meme
I have a suitable "expanding brain" meme (with Wikipedia being the topic of the meme) to put in this article as an example of internet memes and humour. do I go ahead and upload it? SammyMajed (talk) 16:27, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If it improves the overall condition of the article, it isn't violating any rules of the site, and it doesn't take value from any aspect of the article. You still probably shouldn't upload it but, at that point, I would be unable to object to it Sleepdelay (talk) 04:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Great Meme War
I removed a section on the "Great Meme War" created by User:BLKTMPLR due to the Great Meme War not being a notable enough event. The section also had issues with WP:NPOV and biased sources. A section on the use of memes in the 2016-17 elections could be considered to be included, but it must be very careful to maintain a neutral tone, especially since the events are recent/ongoing and divisive. Mentioning individual memes, also, is usually too specific. --Cin316 (talk) 01:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Further discussion on this topic has occurred on my talk page. --Cin316 (talk) 02:29, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The big issue as I see it is that there have been a zillion OMG AMAZING memes in the last few years, and they should only be featured in the article if a reliable secondary source has provided an overview of internet memes in, say, the last decade and concluded that X, Y and Z were the stand-outs for specified reasons. Editors should not choose what gets featured, particularly in a topic like this which concerns ephemeral events that usually evaporate after a month. Johnuniq (talk) 03:05, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2017
I would like to expand upon upon the origins of the internet meme, the manner in which the internet meme has permeated pop culture in western society as well as globally, developments and transformations of the internet meme over time, internet memes as a form of intertext, internet memes as a cross-cultural form of communication, and more. Eriarr (talk) 21:11, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Murph 9000 (talk) 21:20, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps we should add the ironic meme
we should mention the three types of meme: The Tame Meme (the upper caption/bottom caption meme or lolcat); the Dank Meme, where jokes become increasingly edgy and offensive, such as racist or offensive jokes or 9/11 memes; and the Ironic Meme, where the joke essentially transcends itself and the joke is that the meme actually exists (such as We are Number One, Layers of Irony, PewDiePie's attempted Nazi meme, and Bee Movie Script) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian2bp5 (talk • contribs) 05:26, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2017
Under the section "Evolution and Propagation," the third paragraph begins with the following sentence: "Theoretical studies on media psychology and communication have aimed to characterise and analyse the concept and representations in order to make it accessible for the academic research." A source is then given for this sentence. I simply suggest adding the following source (seen below) to this sentence as well, as it further bolsters its claim and adds a sociological source.

The source is Julien, C. 2015. "Bourdieu, Social Capital and Online Interaction." Sociology, 49(2): 356-373. Socioreligist22 (talk) 04:22, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Done –UserDude 06:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC) 04:55, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

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 * Looks good to me. AManNamedEdwan (talk) 18:07, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

We should update the meme format picture to reflect a more modern format.
A lot of people think that impact font is bad because it's a dead format, I think we should update it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RavioliBoi (talk • contribs) 17:46, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2017
Shills section should be removed. It is really not necessary, fleshed out, cited, or useful. It's clearly a politically motivated comment. Markrsteiner (talk) 19:04, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  JTP  (talk • contribs) 19:30, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It should be improved, rather than deleted. Benjamin (talk) 00:31, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2017
where you mention early internet memes in the 2nd paragraph you should give the dancing baby as an example BowiePro (talk) 22:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: There is a separate article on Dancing baby. The second paragraph here is about the use of the origin, evolution, and current use of the linguistic term and anything about this one meme would have no contribution to that topic.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:00, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Shills
Memes are used by internet shills. For example, anti western memes are used by Russian organizations.

Why was this reverted? user:Corvidius Benjamin (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I hardly feel this source is relevant enough to justify a section on its own. If you wish to improve the section, that would be great, but on the current status, it just seems quite irrelevant. - Sarilho1 (talk) 15:31, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * This section definitely needs to be removed, or at least folded into another section. Editors?

Chronological description suggestion
It seems the current page is a little weedy. In particular, it seems odd that only image macro memes are described in any detail. My suggestion is to have a broad chronological description of internet memes and how they've changed over time. In particular, how memes have moved from mainly image macros into a variety of other forms (images, videos, gifs, text, even just particular people/events). 115.166.13.8 (talk) 04:07, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. This. All of this. Impact font captions were maybe popular back in 2005, and there are a few recent memes that fall under the "image macro" category, but there are so many new formats and subtypes that aren't being represented.
 * Some kid with no life (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

new formats / styles of memes?
Hey do you think it would be a good idea to add more recent styles of memes. I know we already have the classic top text bottom text but what about the drake meme, hit the button meme, pepe memes (HE IS MOST IMPORTAINT) or any others that come to mind. We could do a similar thing to the top text bottom text template already there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmy sun-beam (talk • contribs) 03:27, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I feel like we need a dank memes section – Nixinova ⟨T|C⟩ 22:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2018
please man you gotta let me do it Lesliemail (talk) 01:34, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. —   IVORK  Discuss 01:40, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

dank memes
why don't we discus dank memes, it is a big part of meme culture — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ Spooky Jimm (talk • contribs) 15:29, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree it is important and should be discussed. Is there a source? Has it been studied? Benjamin (talk) 12:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC)


 * A quick search showed many mentions. Benjamin (talk) 07:34, 12 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm going to be honest, the only reason I stopped by the talk section of this article was to ask about "dank memes". Seriously. I take Wikipedia and editing very seriously, and I know attempting to add to or edit to meme-based articles can often be viewed as unintellectual or shady. However, in all seriousness, the term "dank memes" should absolutely be added. From personal experience, it seems like this form of culture has dominated the Instagram platform... you can't go anywhere on the internet without encountering the term "dank meme". Someone really needs to update the article by adding a new section focusing on "edgy" and "satirical" content. Like, pronto. If anyone is willing, please be WP:BOLD and do not hesitate to add. -- AlexanderHovanec (talk) 03:14, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I would, but the last time i was bold, it got reverted under the WP:GFE policy. DatGuyonYouTube (talk) 19:44, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * "Dank" memes are just one sub-sub-culture of the meme subculture. If we're going to include them, we should include the other types of ironic memes like surreal, post-ironic, or shitposting. We'd need to add a section on different types of memes, and I'm too busy with school stuff at the moment to work on a big edit like that. UPDATE: Apparently I haven't been on Wikipedia long enough to make the edit whether I want to or not.
 * -Some kid with no life (talk) 19:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I have added a small section (§ "Dank" memes) that briefly talks about what they are. This section should be expanded but I can't find news outlets that seriously talk about dank memes. – Nixinova ⟨ T | E ⟩ 03:40, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Aaand it got removed. The text was: "'Dank' memes are a subculture of internet memes popular on social media, especially Reddit, that feature usually ironic images and in-jokes. These usually involve 'meme formats', where users take an image from a well-known source, such as a popular television show or movie, and put jokes over it. These formats usually last for a couple of days before being replaced by a different format." – Nixinova ⟨ T | E ⟩ 04:50, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Racism in memes
In recent years, there has been a considerable amount of debate on memes and the extent to which they borrow from racist caricatures of minority groups. The term “digital blackface” is used to refer to memes caricaturing African-Americans and other racial minorities in the cyberspace. Many Internet memes follow this “digital blackface” phenomenon: the “Ain’t no one got time for that” meme which went viral in 2015 is a prime example of it. This can also be found in GIFs (Graphics Interchange Format), where black people, and very often black women, are used to portray excessive behaviours. Trends in Internet memes also carry the phenomenon. The Ugandan knuckles meme for instance, that we could find all over the Internet in late 2017 would mock the Uganda people and culture. The internet trend is similar to the historical portrayal of blackface in minstrel theatrical performances of the early 19th century. Minstrel theatre performances involved mostly caucasian actors who portrayed black people with make-up or blackface on. Minstrel shows were usually used to portray stereotypical traits of black people and ridicule them as a source of humour. A majority of this portrayal was negative, showing them to be lazy, inarticulate, baffoon-ish amongst others. The term “misogynoir” has been used to define the hatred toward black women, and some memes have been accused of maintaining this feature. It has been argued that the current state of internet memes and gifs portraying black people and other racial minorities are propagating cartoonish and caricatured negative perspectives of their subjects on the internet, thereby legitimizing these harmful stereotypes that already exist offline. Courstech (talk) 12:44, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This request is misplaced. The proposed content is only partially about meming but primarily about modern uses of blackface.  The Blackface is a better place to integrate this content.   Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:54, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Racism in Memes
Can we have a section on black face and the debate on whether memes portrayed racial minorities reinforce negative racial stereotypes that exist in real life? Here's an interesting link to it - https://www.theawl.com/2014/08/memes-and-misogynoir/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Courstech (talk • contribs) 14:14, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * No, memes are for fun. Not seriousness. Your Royal Dankness,07Alpha55 (talk) 17:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I do agree with you that memes are indeed for fun, and I do as well like dank memes, as I'm sure you do, but since many articles on serious websites were published about the phenomenon of racism in memes, I thought that for the sake of neutrality, that we could mention it as well, wouldn't you agree? Maybe we could edit the "Evolution & Propagation" section: I feel it would be a nice contribution to it, since this section is pretty broad. Courstech


 * Yes, I do believe an 'Evolution' section would be appropriate. 07Alpha55 (talk) 20:44, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Meme's and Politics
A section on how meme's have developed from their early stages of nonsensical lolspeak and cat humor into wide acts of political backlash/support. An example can be found in the President Trump's coffee(covfefe) meme or the FBI 'personally assigned agents' speculations. Aside from the ones that were developed in straight response to a political situation or political figures actions, there are also previous form of memes being used to express political opinions like image macros and reaction memes.

Rahnedrop (talk) 18:20, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Shills
Memes are used by internet shills. For example, anti-western memes are used by Russian organizations.

Benjamin (talk) 10:13, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a particular type of meme use called "shitposting". Usually memes are just for fun. Sioraf (talk) 05:44, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2018
change "just a general word for cool" to "synonymous with cool" Ambler17 (talk) 20:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 23:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2018
82.32.137.71 (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2018 (UTC)eeh can i edit what a meme is as u got it wrong
 * ❌ - please specify what change you would like to make.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:36, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2018
Top text bottom text is obselete, meaning that it is not typical. 65.99.24.37 (talk) 01:19, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —   IVORK  Discuss 01:27, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The user is referring to how the Top Text/Bottom Text (with the Impact font) meme template has been in disuse by the majority of Internet users for about 1 and half years. One course of action that can be taken is to provide newer examples of memes. Other memes have ditched the bottom text section of a meme and just present the top text and the image below, with another choice of font. Most if not all memes have ditched the practice of applying text over the image, in a meme. - Praguetroll (talk) 18:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

SA and 4chan
Are we not going to talk about how Something Awful and 4chan (and by extension 2ch) influenced meme culture? The usage of Impact as a font, the general disregard for social mores, the shift from memes referring to things like "Milhouse is not a meme" to image macros in general? There's a lot of ground to cover, history wise. 27.126.152.34 (talk) 02:05, 13 July 2018 (UTC) (asking for a friend, whose name is User:NyanThousand meme culture my knowledge has reached 9 trillion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omegalul Bruda (talk • contribs) 19:44, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Pepe as a Hate Symbol
Hi. I wanted to say that pepe had been adapted as a hate symbol, however I don't really get how to cite. Relevant links that I can cite: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39843468 https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-defamation-league-pepe-the-frog-a-hate-symbol How do I cite these? Pls help! JonsterMonster (talk) 04:11, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I've changed the sentence you added, and given a citation. Thanks for adding something about this.--Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds  07:16, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Dank Meme vs Meme
What's the difference?

There is no clear difference. At least not enough to firmly put on a wiki page. It is often used when referring to a particularly funny or "odd" mem — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.22.28 (talk) 18:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Who made this? Then, read question whoever made this
One question: Do you use reddit, ifunny, 4chan or twitter? Please tell me which ones you specifically use — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarryingTheMeme (talk • contribs) 14:32, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2019
To incorporate a portion about copyright protection of memes in US and India, and the legal reasoning behind cases where memes could be considered to be infringing copyright of others. DoYouEvenMemeBro (talk) 18:22, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Þjarkur (talk) 18:38, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

More Meme Examples!
For the article, I feel there should be more memes for examples. --TheWikiSearcher (talk) 20:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The problem with this is that adding more examples to the article might bog it down with extraneous and unneeded information. We do have a List of internet phenomena that is essentially a list of memes; what examples that are added should be added only to illustrate a point, and many of those points I believe are illustrated. If you have any specific examples or sections you think would benefit from an example, feel free to tell me or make a semi-protected edit request. Integral Python click here to argue with me 00:21, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2019
Change The Internet in the first sentence to the Internet or the Internet 146.255.181.66 (talk) 18:32, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done <b style="color:black">Nici</b><b style="color:purple">Vampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 19:26, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Updated illustration?
I created and uploaded this image with the intent of adding it to this article. Someone reverted it twice so I guess I'll get some consensus. The reason for this is that this article's illustrations are in clear need of updating. The concept of internet memes have changed a lot, and displaying an image macro such as File:Wikipedia meme vector version.svg as an "example meme" is more or less a decade old and a really poor example for readers unfamiliar to the present-day meme culture. I am fully aware that the picture I have submitted is a so-called "dank" meme and a rather peculiar form of meme, but one cannot deny that it is a very common kind. I thus read the in-text examples about dank memes and created this Wikipedia-style meme as free content. To summarise, I'm sure we can all agree that the current image is dated. I don't suggest its removal, rather adding another one to stay up to date. Gaioa (T C L) 13:20, 4 June 2019 (UTC)


 * That doesn’t seem too far fetched, and I agree an example of a “dank meme” should be added. The argument by the user reverting your edits (I think?) is that it is not spreading or part of any real meme and is therefore not a meme or something along those lines, but that kind of format fits very snugly into the way that many deep fried meme formats work and look and is a good example of that format in general. I would suggest removing the last frame bc it doesn’t particularly add anything the frame before didn’t. Integral Python click here to argue with me 19:31, 5 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Pinging DMacks who reverted my edits and may want to offer their opinion🙂 Gaioa  (T C L) 20:48, 6 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Is that last panel really needed? For illustration purposes only the first two panels are needed. I'm well versed in memes and don't even understand what the Wikipedia logo is doing in the last panel and the :B: meme is sorta dead.  Nixinova   T   C  05:47, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2019
After the section on Vine memes, Add the following section on "TikTok memes"

TikTok Memes

After the popular platform, Vine was shut down, it left a gap in the creative production of video memes. This was fulfilled by a new application called "TikTok" introduced in the end of 2016. The new platform shares familiar features to its predecessor and provides space for viral video content to be uploaded and shared worldwide. This can then be replicated by other users turning it into a meme. Intercomgenius (talk) 07:30, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Not done. Articles should only link to other articles at Wikipedia. See write the article first. Johnuniq (talk) 08:11, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Aside from the poor wording of the proposed addition, the man has a point that tik tok has been referred to as a replacement for Vine memes; it probably doesn't deserve its own section, but maybe a sentence or two if I can find some good sources backing up the comparison.Integral Python click here to argue with me 12:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Partially done. I expanded the section about vine to include short form video (and as such TikTok), but in a different way than was asked. I hope it helps, Integral Python click here to argue with me 13:47, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

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Vine and short form videos
"After the success of the application Vine, a format of memes emerged was created in the form of short videos and scripted sketches." Wouldn't it be fair to say short-form videos and sketches had been around and well-known well before Vine started in 2012? Peter J. Yost (talk) 16:07, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Reformat "dank memes" section
The "dank memes" section of the article is generally not very well-sourced, and makes some claims that I would disagree with. The article presents "dank memes" to be generally a synonym of "modern memes" as contrasted with older types of memes. This already has a citation needed mark, but it is in a way the assumption that the entire section is based on. In my experience, "dank meme" is closer in meaning to "ironic meme" but it does not have an exact definition. The phrase is in itself a meme, which is mostly just used to reference memes considered to be funny with the exact meaning left to interpretation. The article gives "who killed Hannibal" as an example of a "dank meme," but the source given only mentions that it originated in the subreddit r/dankmemes. Perhaps this section of the article would be better called "Modern Memes", with "'Dank' Memes" as a subheading?

In addition to this, the section on "meme market" seems relatively un-notable to have it own subheading and description. The section is not very well phrased and formatted, and feels insignificant given the generally short length of the rest of the article. I think it could be removed or shortened to a sentence at least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tangerines404 (talk • contribs) 00:46, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Definitely agreed; the page could benefit from some trimming. 17.234.32.63 (talk) 08:07, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Use of "alt-right" and "racist" themes in Pepe memes
The following sentence in the article should be removed: "During the 2016 United States presidential election, Pepe became associated with racism, the alt-right, and support for Donald Trump." This is factually incorrect, as, while some groups have labelled the meme as necessarily alt-right and racist, this is not the view amongst the general population, who see the meme as harmless, and most publications and people that believe that the meme is hate speech, such as the Anti-Defamation League, are known to be sympathetic to left-wing political groups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.173.110 (talk) 04:24, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Do you have nonbiased sources to support this? The general population does consider the meme indicative of one of the three, though not necessarily all simultaneously or with the same combination of pairs, so your statement seems factually incorrect. Your assertion that the meme is harmless seems unnecessary; it is unclear if the Pepe meme is considered inherently harmful in all circumstances without indications of the poster's intent. Given that, classifying the meme as 'harmless' or 'harmful' is meaningless to this page's purpose. It's particularly unclear what 'causing harm' even entails for a meme - is an image on a computer somehow able to burn someone's house down? Similarly, the assertion that the listed sources have a political leaning or that such a leaning disqualifies them utterly as a source is meaningless to the purpose of a Wikipedia source; refer to WP:SOURCE. 17.234.32.63 (talk) 08:07, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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Add section on meme pages
It is mentioned in the very beginning of the article how memes often spread on social media. It could be beneficial to create a section dedicated to explaining meme pages on social media sites like Instagram or Twitter. There it could be explained how these pages work, their general popularity among the users of those different sites, this section could also highlight how this can lead people to start making money by posting various advertisements on their meme pages. Snarfvenom (talk) 19:25, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Factual Error in Citation of Memes in Digital Culture by Shifman
There is a glaring error in the citation and discussion of Shifman's work, even in the third paragraph of the article: Limor Shifman is a woman, not a man. All references to "his" work should be changed -- it's "her" work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.20.19.180 (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Reformatting to make post-modern surreal memes their own section
The title explains itself, and I think these have become ore slant enough to have their own section Bristledidiot (talk) 00:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, mostly that I have no idea why the Dank memes section has come to be a whole with all other memes thrown in. The usage of the phrase "dank meme" itself has declined, and is obviously no longer the correct terminology to represent most modern absurdist memesIntegral Python click here to argue with me 15:41, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

"Meme Market" removal
I was reading through this page for fun, and I noted the section about a "meme market" subreddit. I feel like this is an odd inclusion, as it seems to be a very niche subject (even in the context of sub-cultural internet memes), and is given an unwarranted amount of space in the article. There's only one article sourced in the entire section, and it's from early 2017. Maybe remove the large paragraph and add a small mention in the "Dank Meme" section? I would've just removed it without asking, but I though such a large change might warrant further consideration.

Slightly unrelated, but this is my first time making a talk page... thingy, and I'm well aware that I've probably messed something up with regards to Wikipedia Etiquette. Sorry! I've tried reading through the guidelines, and although I think I have a solid grasp on the basics, it's still a bit overwhelming. I never realized how deep the rabbit-hole goes for Wikipedia behind the scenes. Let me know what I can do to improve in the future, and thanks for reading.

GreenTetrahedron (talk) 05:53, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, and have removed the section in favor of using the meme market as an example of meme subculture. Your talk page post seems fine to me, and welcome to Wikipedia! Integral Python click here to argue with me 21:25, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Different meme choices
Can we change some of the memes so they're not references to Wikipedia? It makes Wikipedia seem self-obsessed. Also I don't think the "top text" "bottom text" image is very useful.— Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 20:28, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the memes are Wikipedia-focused so that they don't feel out-of-place, either. Picking a completely random meme on a completely random topic is kind of hard, so just using WP memes for examples of each category or design seems the best thing to do. As for the top text-bottom text image, it simply demonstrates the typical macro format seen in the most popular memes of early memedom, and in my opinion is very useful and belongs right where it is. Sincerely, the awesome[citation needed] IceKey8297. 21:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The top meme already demonstrates the image macro, so there is no point in the top text, bottom text. Better to just look at an actual example.— Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 05:11, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I definitely feel the memes being on wikipedia is not very encylopedic, and having so many memes being about wikipedia seems ridiculous. I guess it comes under undue weight to have so many memes aout wikipedia when the vast majority of memes are not about wikipedia. Banak (talk) 11:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Although it would be much more accurate to display memes not relating to wikipedia, it may be difficult to find examples that most users could understand. 41618CCEC (talk) 16:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I feel like having the memes be about Wikipedia is the most encyclopedic thing to do, rather than least. By adding an abundance of examples of memes that are not about Wikipedia would open up users to try changing them over and over again as a meme "dies", similarly to how we have to add the warning about examples within the prose of the article. By making the examples at least a few degrees removed, it gives them a certain amount of stability. Integral Python click here to argue with me 20:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 25 August 2020
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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Ain't no chance. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 05:51, 26 August 2020 (UTC) ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 05:51, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

– Pretty sure internet memes is the primary topic for the namespace meme. Tools like Ngrams and Google Trends won't be useful here since we can't distinguish between the two, but my own search for "meme" shows only results for internet memes. Google also is having a hard time with the difference, showing internet memes in their side panel but linking to the current meme anthropology page. Some dictionaries have also added the internet application of "meme" to their definitions: Dictionary.com, Oxford University, Merriam-Webster. The Smithsonian has even written about memes in their internet sense without a disambiguating statement. ItsPugle (please use &#123;&#123;reply|ItsPugle}}) 03:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Internet meme → Meme
 * Meme → Meme (anthropology)
 * Oppose moving internet meme to meme. From google searches and book results, it's not clear that internet memes are the primary topic. Neutral on moving Meme to meme (anthropology), I don't know if this is the primary topic either. — Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 05:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hm, maybe there is no specific primary topic? In which case, how about making meme a disambiguation page? ItsPugle (please use &#123;&#123;reply|ItsPugle}}) 05:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. An internet meme is a subset of Meme. This proposal is very odd that it wants to make a subset the primary term, while it's article will be unchanged and still deal exclusively with "internet memes". --Gonnym (talk) 09:39, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. An internet meme is definitely not the same thing as a meme. Wikipedia needs to demonstrate the general concept of memes. J I P  &#124; Talk 11:25, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. 'meme' was co-opted and misused within popular culture to refer to basic viral phenomena. Acousmana (talk) 12:01, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:03, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As all above, an internet meme is a subset of meme. But also the internet memes often are not memes. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The current arrangement seems fine. -- Netoholic @ 21:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Backgroundt
I do not know if I am doing this right, but the title for the background section says backgroundt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:610f:6000:b570:1c23:7e1f:4114 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, someone fixed that. Johnuniq (talk) 00:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Copyright protection section
I'm very concerned about the Copyright protection section. It acts as a primer to copyright law in general with only tangential bits directly pertinent to memes. The first two paragraphs also feel like general meme information better suited for earlier in the page. Besides this sort of coatrackery, I also see worrying things like original research (referring to a court case and using said court case as a citation when the case did not involve Internet memes). I'm inclined to just yank the whole thing and plop here any bits that are salvageable, but I don't want to throw out any babies alongside all the bathwater. -B RAINULATOR 9 (TALK) 00:31, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree about having too much background info on copyright law in general; however the bits you say are original research (although they very well might've been) could probably find sources to be backed up. Specifically, I think this is probably true because of the extensive coverage of the topic when Article 13 was going through Europe, so a less-destructive reformatting, rather than a more general "yank" might be better. There's a lot of applicable stuff in there. Integral Python click here to argue with me 15:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. Perhaps I should have been clear: there is stuff that is original research that might have a citation somewhere, as it does seem potentially verifiable, but the on-page citations makes me worry that it might be OR. Like, it's possible that someone has discussed Feist v. Rural (a 1991 court case) in connection to Internet memes, but I'd have to search for something that we could use. It would also help to rework the section to talk more about things like YouTube Poops and lawsuits (in a summary format; that page can go into more detail) or, as you said, the protests against the "meme ban". -B RAINULATOR 9 (TALK) 18:15, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Depression Meme
Please consider incorporating material from the above draft submission into this article. Drafts are eligible for deletion after 6 months of inactivity. ~Kvng (talk) 15:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

General Feedback and My Findings
Hey everyone. Made some changes to the page correcting grammar, the flow of sentences, and adding more content. I feel as if some sentences are very unnecessary, in the beginning talking about "dank memes" and planking; and "Warner Brothers was sued for infringing the Nyan Cat meme by using it it's game Scribblenauts" I wanted to remove these two things but wanted input before I delete them. They seem out of context and unnecessary. Also, I changed the lead a bit, since they did not reflect the major topics in the article. Please let me know any feedback already on what I've changed thus far and anything to improve on - would be happy to chat! Scaryszary (talk) 21:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , Hello. I did some c/e to the article, which I explained in my edit summaries you can see when you look at the article's history. I think the dank meme section is relevant but it should be titled 'dank memes' rather than 'modern memes'. There should be a section on modern memes IF there is literature that properly defines the concept of modern memes (vs old). The copyright section is interesting and I think it should be expanded, again, preferably by moving beyond a listicle of examples and into a proper discussion of copyright and memes (there is a lot of relevant literature and we are not citing most of it...). I wouldn't remove stuff just yet, but it is always a possibility. For best practices, you can try WP:Wikiblame or similar tool and see if you can locate the editor who added content you want to remove, and ping them to see if they want to defend it. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  02:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia meme
Change the images on the internet meme page to images that are more relevant to this year's culture of memes instead MJ21212121 (talk) 11:00, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * This page is meant to me timeless in a sense. If we changed memes on this page every week to suit any niche communities then nothing would get done. So no.
 * Feel free to add examples though. Though it has to be consistently and notably reported on by the press. Consider the Distracted Girlfriend or Surprised Pikachu meme. Everyone on every website used it to the point where you’d hear it from your parents. Distracted Girlfriend also gave birth to “Object labeling” meme formats. If it’s not that significant or notable then reconsider. 2604:2000:1107:8A76:751D:6AB:7621:544D (talk) 08:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Deleting Pepe meme subsection
I feel the pepe meme Subsection is totally unnecessary and believe that it should be deleted,this isn't an article on the pepe meme, but, since it is so extensive i would like the input of everyone before who sees this before i delete it.

Since it seems no one has replied or inputted at all, i have gone ahead and deleted the pepe section.Deathisaninevitability,soifearitnot-1234 (talk) 20:03, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the recent edits:
I just want to have a discussion about some of the recent edits that have changed the page quite a bit. I don't necessarily think they're bad changes, but I would like to see the reasoning behind them.

Two things: Firstly, the lead. "...that is spread via the Internet through two mechanisms: mimicry and remix. Mimicry is a recreation of a meme, using another individual's interpretation/specific text. This type of meme can spread from person to person via social networks, blogs, direct email, or news sources. The results in the study of Online Memes, Affinities, and Cultural Production, show that the internet directly adds some longevity in a meme's lifespan. " I don't see why the information about mimicry and remix was added to the lead, and I would suggest they're moved to "characteristics" instead. My primary reason for this is that it makes technical what was previously a fairly straightforward explanation. Secondly, this appears to be a view on the two ways internet memes spread, but I doubt this is universally accepted. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to move the words regarding remix and mimicry down to characteristics and preface them with the studies that introduced them.

In all, the new edits seem to heavily skew the concept of an internet meme back towards the idea of a meme itself, which is dangerous. For instance, humor is essential to an internet meme's identity. Internet memes are not just memes spread over the internet, in the technical sense. It specifically refers to the funny images, videos, and text formats that spread online for the purpose of disseminating humor.

Second (and more minor): Is someone planning on doing anything with the "By context" section? Because as it stands, I see no reason to have it if the only "context" is going to be politics, and we should just reinstall politics as a main section. If the plan is to add more "contexts" then I'm fine with the restructuring, but I'd like some context myself about the whole thing. Pinging @Piotrus and @Scaryszary Integral Python click here to argue with me 12:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Regarding my change, which is adding the 'by context' section, I think memes are used in many contexts other than politics. I've added sections for gender and religious issues, both with academic references, to show the notability of memes in these contexts, and the potential for expansion for the sections. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:44, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me! I was just looking for some clarification on the planned content of the section. Integral Python click here to argue with me 21:37, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I can agree with the lead being moved to characteristics I appreciate you pointing that out. However, you propose that this appeared to be a view on how internet memes are spread, but not universally accepted. Does this not apply to "humor is essential to internet memes identity" I would argue that this is another "view" point. I agree with the argument that humor is essential to internet memes, but my justification was that I don't believe all internet memes are inherently humorous. For example, I wrote and researched the internet memes that involve politics like the Occupy Wallstreet Movement, which did include some humor but not "all" of the internet memes were intended for humor, some were intended for discourse. Despite my personal views agreeing with you about internet memes being intended for humor, I was hoping to provide a neutral stance as possible seeing that humor can be"subjective" to each viewer. I appreciate both of your feedback and comments. Scaryszary (talk) 19:58, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Image macro resurgence
Seems like image macros have recently started being popular again in recent years, and I thought to add a few sentences stating this. However, I wasn't able to find any sources that claim that they have. Should I just add it, albeit uncited, anyway? What should I do? PeterPrettyCool (talk) 21:24, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2019
No information on article 13? "Article 13" in the European Union is relevant to internet memes and copyright as it was a big point of contention and controversy, it should have enough sources to warrant an edit to this article, especially since U.S. and Indian copyright law is already there. See: Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market Please add! Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockyfalldownstairs (talk • contribs) 19:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Why are you guys replacing meme examples with Wikipedia-Tan?
I get the idea, but as an ecyclopedia I believe we'd be more inclined to use actual memes. Not any current or viral memes, but for the lens flare, deep fried, and "Breaking the entire page" examples I'd reccomend be replaced by more recognizable memes like "Real shit", that smiling/frowning black teen, and Markplier "E" meme. Because I don't believe any casual reader could see or understand the connection with "Wiki-brand" examples. Basically just replace Wikipedia-Tan memes with actual, legitimently popular and knowledgable memes. 2604:2000:1107:8A76:CD9:3FA8:253E:CC21 (talk) 17:40, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Even so, the meme used IS a meme, and any other meme used here would need permission to be used. Don’t forget that memes usually die out pretty quickly. -Shift674-🌀contribs 20:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)