Talk:Interstate 196/Archive 1

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Someone wrote that this highway is one of few to change direction in Michigan. Many highways change direction in Michigan; one of the most (in)famous is Interstate 69 near Lansing. That vague langauage (what is "few", anyway?) contradicted by fact has been excised.

Can somebody from the Interstate Highway Project check this article agian to see what else is required. Thanks --Mihsfbstadium 15:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The current exits at mile 69, which do not include the Baldwin Street exit, are not quite right, yet I am not sure how to fit it into the table: on eastbound I-196, there is just exit 69, which is Chicago Drive in Grandville/Jenison; On westbound I-196, there is exit 69B, which is to westbound Chicago Drive to Jenison, and exit 69A, which is to eastbound Chicago Drive to Grandville. -- 67.39.112.238 22:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem I got that corrected. It was my fault to start with.  I been to that interchange so many times that I just made some mistakes and didnt use my yahoo maps properly.  In anycase I redid it and also corrected the Baldwin exit.  With that I revamped the Baldwin Exit construction info that is planned for next two years.  BTW they are also replacing the bridge over Buck Creek also which is a set of two bridges further East of the Rush Creek bridges.  --Mihsfbstadium 06:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Spelling corrections
Gosh can somebody shoot me for all of those I made with the few edits I had done. I mean come on I am better than that. Oh well. BTW I am being sacrastic. Its just really hard for me to proofread what I type but I am a pretty good speller for other people if its any consideration. --Mihsfbstadium 14:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Spur Route ranking
I 196 is the 3rd longest spur route. The others that were metioned in a previous edit that eliminated that fact were all listed as Loop Routes. Loops will be fairly long on thier own since they tend to go a large circle around a city. In anycase if you want to contend this fact some more here is something else to chew on. I 196 is planed to connect to I 80-90 in the near future. Within a decade or two it will probally be built. With a further distance to Indiapolis. --Mihsfbstadium 18:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Fact: I-196 is NOT projected to connect with the Indiana Toll Road, either in the long term or "in the near future." There have been no plans from MDOT or InDOT along these lines and without the actual road-maintaining authorities involvement, such changes will not be occurring. Further extension to Indianapolis — note spelling — is also not forthcoming. Period CBessert 07:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Uhm Bessert do you have to be so mean about it hehe. :) In anycase I was thinking they could move I-196 route to US 31 when that route has the Napier connection built in say 10 to 20 years.  I just figure they might just do that and that would further extend 196.  In anycase its just me thinking.  I also heard that US 31 from South Bend to Indianapolis was being looked at to be built to Interstate or Freeway standards.  If that were the case I could see I-196 being used as a designation.  Of course this is just an assumtion and hence why I put it on the talk page along with the hidden comment on the page to say it is possible. --Mihsfbstadium 01:30, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Exit List
The exit list is the way it should be listed. The street names are off Yahoo which would be a better help than any other method. As for the A B C and so forth the Exit List project page does not say those should not be used. As a result for ease of reading and traveling the exit list should show those letters and differences. BTW the exit for Baldwin is already discussed with a link in the text to show that it is not only proposed but will be under construction next spring. --Mihsfbstadium 17:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Are the street names signed from I-196? --NE2 02:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * About the letters... the exit list does show the differences; it does it in a more compact way with the notes column. --NE2 02:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I dont want it compact because it makes it harder to read. It looks easier to read when its expanded.  As for the citation needed you can take that off.  Its not only been proposed but construction is starting this spring.  Its listed in the 5 year transportation plan.  So I will continue to revert that back when it shows up.  --Mihsfbstadium 04:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * How is it "harder to read" when three rows of almost the same thing are combined into one? --NE2 04:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If I were to read it how would I know which exit ramp goes which direction and the fact that as I said before no citation is needed for baldwin exit. It is already cited with the text above.  As for bad formating take a look at other interstate routes that have multiple exit letters.  --Mihsfbstadium 04:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's in the notes column: "Signed as exits 69A (east) and 69B (west) westbound". --NE2 04:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Its easier to just have it split. Since its only a few added lines.  Its not the end of the world.  Plus it does follow the examples of using letters in other interstates as well.  --Mihsfbstadium 04:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not "easier" to split it; can you show me the examples you're working from? By the way, please stop adding your signature to the top of this section, after the section heading. --NE2 05:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Concurrency
Last time I checked the concurrency in the ELG was supposed to have the signs. Since this is part of the exit list, FLAG does not matter. --Mihsfbstadium 19:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:FLAG deals with prose; "I-196 begins concurrent with US-31" is prose. --NE2 19:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Prose in text body. there is slight difference.  --Mihsfbstadium 19:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's still prose that looks bad with icons breaking up the flow. --NE2 20:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Its a table not prose so does it really make a difference. I could care less about the text though.  It can anything you want as long as the shields are shown.  Thats according to ELG at least and thats the way it should be.  BTW have you heard about the medical corridor in Grand Rapids? I was thinking about writing up the article in a day or two.  Have to get some research done on the Van Andel Insitute first since that was the first major building to get built along there that sparked everything.  --Mihsfbstadium 20:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

New additions
The Route description and Highway construction sections should be merged under a single Route description section. This follows the MOS for the WP:USRD wikiproject. Imzadi1979 (talk) 03:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Route description
I was curious about the wording:

From there it travels on a northeast routing through Ottawa County bypassing the cities of Holland, Zeeland, and Hudsonville by a wide margin.

196 does bypass Holland and Zeeland, but it is right against the city limits of Hudsonville. I grew up in this area and the commercial area of Hudsonville is right off the highway exit.

Should this be changed?

Google Map Link to Area: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=42.849415,-85.843391&spn=0.086083,0.195866&t=h&z=13

- Dfxdeimos (talk) 02:15, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

"Grand Rapids" label needed on map
There's a dot for Grand Rapids on this article's map, but no label. Could somebody add it? &mdash; Wdfarmer (talk) 21:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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Sources conflict
In a source I found, which is cited in the article, it's noted that I-(1)96 opened from the southern end at I-94 to modern Exit 22 by South Haven all at once, conflicting with the 1963 official MDSH map which shows the open section ending at modern Exit 7/M-63. However, the next source mentions a 35-mile open stretch to Holland, which would put its south end right at Exit 7. I'm going to assume that the 35-mile figure is a miscalculation in the article or is based on the likely original plans which might have had the sections opening as illustrated on the 1963 map, I-94-to-Exit 7 then Exit 7-to-Holland, presumedly at the modern US-31/I-196BL/A2 interchange. (In any case, the article needed correcting there since it said "northern end of I-196 near Benton Harbor".) Mapsax (talk) 02:09, 21 February 2022 (UTC)