Talk:Interstate 405 (Washington)

NPOV issues in the Future section
I am currently attempting to revamp / update this section. From what I'm seeing on the WSDOT website, this project is actually NOT underway. In fact, Proposition 1 failed with voters, so the funding is not there. Aside from that fact, the recurring statements regarding congestion are a major part of the entire NPOV issue. Unless these statements accurately reflect the source material, they need removed... Edit Centric (talk) 10:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've taken a swing at it. Take a look and edit away! Travisl (talk) 23:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * No, that looks good! The only thing on these edits is the mention of Prop 1 failing the vote. The way it reads right now is that this was for the separate Renton project, and not the Nickel Project. The WSDOT reference ties it to the Nickel... Edit Centric (talk) 23:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I had my head up my arse again. The Renton to Bellview is PART of the Nickel! Ok. (Don't mind me, it's multi-tasking day, with a thousand little projects here and there to get closed up. Edit Centric (talk) 23:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That's OK. After re-reading what I wrote, I realized that I still didn't understand it.  I researched more, found another source, and clarified the article. Travisl (talk) 05:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You rock! Check also the talk page at I-5, I have some suggested "post-event" prose there... Edit Centric (talk) 07:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Intersections
Major Intersection as described in the 2001 Washington State Atlas and Gazetteer, all mileage points are approximate as indicated by exit numbers in the Rand McNally US Road Atlas 2005. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TEG24601 (talk • contribs) 22:01, August 17, 2005

removed cleanup-infobox tag
I've gone ahead and added the missing data to the infobox, as well as the corrected the incorrect browse links. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 21:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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History
Greetings. Two issues in the History section that I'd like to discuss. Since I don't have experience with this page, I have not made any changes to the text.

In the first paragraph, this sentence is not correct: "The area's first railroad was laid by the Seattle, Lake Shore and Eastern Railway in 1887 and completed from Renton to Woodinville in 1904, under the ownership of the Northern Pacific Railway." While the SLS&E was one of the area's first railroads, it was not THE first; and, more importantly for this article, the SLS&E did not build the line from Renton to Woodinville, known as the Lake Washington Belt Line. The Northern Pacific did, and the line opened for business in the Spring of 1905.

However, to add complexity, there was an earlier Lake Washington Belt Line, on a different alignment for much of the distance, c.1890-1895. It was not completed. The SLS&E did not build the segments of this line that were completed either, but instead a subsidiary of the NP did, the Northern Pacific & Puget Sound Shore Railroad, under contract from the Lake Washington Belt Line Co. For references, see here (I am co-author of the content): https://kirklandhistory.org/1905-lwbl-ckc/1905-lwbl-history/

This part of the article could be rewritten to make the point that the LWBL's intent was parallel to and a precursor of I-405's intent--to bypass Seattle for traffic that did not originate or terminate there, which was fully realized in May 1913, when the newly-opened NP Auburn yard and servicing complex replaced Seattle as the terminus. (Kurt Armbruster's "Orphan Road" describes well how congested the downtown Seattle rail yards on Railroad Avenue had become by 1900.)

In the fourth paragraph, something appears to be missing in the discussion of I-405 predecessors. It begins with "SSH 2A and the eastern portion of SSH 1L were replaced in 1957 by the Renton Branch of PSH 1". This implies (to me, at least) that the name changed to PSH 1. However, the next paragraph begins "In 1964, the system of primary and secondary state highways was removed in favor of new state routes, and PSH 2A was renumbered SR 405". So, did SSH 2A become PSH 2A instead of a branch of PSH 1? If so, would be good to make that explicit in the fourth paragraph. Kent Sullivan (talk) 16:48, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing this up. I've corrected both using the sources I have at hand.  Sounder Bruce  05:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome and thank you. Your changes are spot-on. Kent Sullivan (talk) 17:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * There might be more information on the LW belt line in the Horace Chapin Henry papers at UW Libraries special collections . ☆ Bri (talk) 00:24, 8 December 2021 (UTC)