Talk:Interstate 495 (New York)/Archive 1

Horace Harding
Interestingly, I've always called the whole thing the LIE; I thought the Horace Harding Expressway was the name of the street-level service roads that run along side the LIE. By the way, does anyone have a picture of the man Horace Harding that could be uploaded? 98.221.131.77 (talk) 08:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

technically correct or incorrect?

 * Since I-495 extends from a city outward, it is technically a spur, which should have an odd first digit. Even first digits are usually assigned to bypasses and beltways. However, since I-495 connects to three other interstates (I-278, I-678, and I-295), the even first digit is technically correct. 

So, is the even digit correct, or not? Paul C/T+ 00:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 00:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If it is incorrect, why is it named 495? Paul C/T+ 03:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it used to end at 295. --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 13:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's named 495 because it was originally supposed to be a bypass for Interstate 95. DanTD 20:42, 23 May 2006
 * Yeah, it was supposed to cross the Long Island Sound and meet I-95 in RI or CT -JGCarter

FHWA mileage
The FHWA mileage matches east of I-278. --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 00:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Source for alternate interchanges in Calverton
If you need a source for the proposed Exit 70A, look at the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alternate_LIE_%40_Exits_70A_%26_71.jpg

Also, there are old Hagstrom's maps that show this proposed route and interchange as well.

DanTD 09:30, 30 July 2006 (EST)

--Hkelly1 17:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)--Hkelly1 17:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)== Planning Documents/Images of Proposed Interchanges ==

DanTD: The image you referenced above for Exit 70A is really intriguing. Is it possible for you to put any others that you may have up on the I-495 page? This seems like the appropriate venue for such images to be seen by anyone interested, and it's free :) They could be linked to the various bullets shown on the "proposed interchanges" section (and then the "no citations" flag could be removed).

Thanks!

--Hkelly1 15:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC) H. Kelly


 * I uplaoded the link for just that purpose, as well as one about NY 27A in Bay Shore. However, Wikipedia is threatening to delete both of them. I wish I could post it in the proposed interchanges section, without taking up a whole bunch of space. DanTD 13:13, 31 July 2006 (EST)


 * The copyright flag is interesting. Wouldn't this technically be a public document?  How does that work in this type of situation?  Where did you get the documents from anyway? --Hkelly1 17:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Exit List Table
It would be nice to convert the exit list here into a table. I've been looking through other interstate's pages, and there does not seem to be any standard format (indeed, the WP:Interstates just calls for exit lists "in table form" or some other vague language). All the samples I've looked at are slightly different. I think something like the following might work best for the LIE:

Exit #; Mile; Location of Exit; Route/Road Name; Any Notes

We could employ a similar color scheme for "decommissioned", "proposed", etc., as on the NYS route tables.

Any thoughts?

--Hkelly1 20:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC) H. Kelly


 * If you or somebody else is willing to work on it, go ahead. I'm having a hard enough time adjusting to the new intersection boxes, but somebody has already started an Exit table for New York State Route 27, that so far can only be found in the talk section of that page.DanTD 18:33, 3 August 2006 (EST)

Major Junctions
I noticed the only major junctions noted are the ones in Queens. Surely Exit 22 (Grand Central Parkway), Exit 31 (Cross Island Parkway), Exit 42 (Northern State Parkway), Exit 44 (NY 135), Exit 53 (Sagtikos State Parkway-Wicks Road-Commack Road), and exit 68 (William Floyd Parkway) are all major junctions.
 * Nobody seemed to care so I went on and added it in Jgcarter 14:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool. Although the Suffolk CR 97 & 46 shields look kind of big compared to the others. DanTD 15:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll check 'em out...it probaly has to do with the CR sheilds Jgcarter 17:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Locations of proposed interchanges
If anybody needs any mileage info regarding the proposed interchanges with Wantagh and Bethpage Parkway extensions, here's the best I can give you from those 1/10 mile markers;


 * Wantagh Parkway Extension location(Exit 39A):495I-0302-1083.
 * Bethpage Parkway Extension location(Exit 47):495I-0302-1149.

If these markers give you any hints of the actual mileage, you can post them on the exit list. DanTD 17:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge from NY 495?
NY 495 is signed as part of I-495, and really has no independent history. I think it would make sense to merge the two. --NE2 00:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose The whole 495 story is a fascinating one, but I think these are three separate articles for NJ 495, NY 495 and I-495 NY. I'd love to see sources for the changes in designation of portions of I-495, but I couldn't find anything in The New York Times. Alansohn 01:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see one paragraph in New York State Route 495 that's not redundant to the I-495 article. Any changes in designation would also go in both articles. --NE2 01:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, there's overlap on all three articles. There's already enough confusion as to the identity of each of these roadways, and the best way to clarify this is to keep them separate and to refer to the articles and what portions of NJ/NY/Interstate 495 are which. Alansohn 02:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * We can clarify it in the introduction to the article: "According to NYSDOT, foo. According to the FHWA, bar." --NE2 02:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Undecided Originally, I would've supported such a merge, but Alansohn has made some plausible, if not regertable arguments against it. I would've loved to see NJ 495 and Mid-Manhattan Expressway as sub-components of Interstate 495 (New York), much like the Staten Island Expressway, Gowanus Expressway, and Brooklyn-Queens Expressway are sub-compnents of Interstate 278 (New York) But the anti-highway zealotry of the New York Tri-State area has made sure that can never happen. Still, most signs that I've seen seen along, and pointing towards the Long Island Expressway in Manhattan & Western Queens, have said it was "Interstate" 495. DanTD 02:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. I actually done them in March I believe. NY 495 don't have much informations I beelive its part of Long Island Expwy. I never been to New York so I'm not 100% certain.-- Freewayguy Call? Fish 16:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Merging
I've start merging and I post the blue tag. Infobox, I hadn't been doing for a while so I apologize by the mess. You can help fix it. I'm currently a little bit busy at weekdays.-- Freewayguy ( Webmail ) 20:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Its done on March 5, 2008.-- Freewayguy Call? Fish 16:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent move
Freewayguy recently moved this article to Interstate 495 and State Route 495 (New York). I have moved it back, however, was this a good idea to move it? Or shall we keep NY 495 seperate? Mitch32contribs 20:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * None of the above. NYSDOT signs NY 495 as I-495, so if a merge is done it should remain at this title. --NE2 13:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The purple tag is add a while ago; I was just told to merge; anyways the name should stay the same.-- Freewayguy  Discussions Show all changes 19:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Purple tag
Someone told me merge SR 495 with I-495. Those two routes I believe is similar. I've check it on the map, one of my schools teacher gave to me. The SR 495 is toll-often display in green on most maps, and I-495 is normal frwy sections.-- Freewayguy  Msg USC 18:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Junctions
On infobox, 4 to 8 only. Its better not to list purple county routes or any suspicious state routes. Interstates is fine for valid purpose, US routes for only the most major ones.-- Freewayguy  Msg USC 18:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Eventually I will have to fix the junctions on infobox.-- Freewayguy  Msg USC 19:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And who decides what a so-called "suspicious state route" is? Like it or not, many Suffolk County Roads play a major role on Long Island, and unfortunatley the LIE ends at one. DanTD (talk) 00:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Public Domain?
Hey, are those pics in public domain? I am working on a website and would love to use them! -JGCarter

I-495 in New Jersey
I commute through Union City, NJ daily. Worth noting is that the onramp to Jersey SR-3 (lincoln tunnel approach) from northbound JF Kennedy Blvd is signed as I-495. To rephrase: if you take JF Kennedy Blvd North and get on Jersey SR-3, it is signed as I-495. It is indeed using the blue interstate highway logo.

Long Island Expressway in Nassau
As a resident of Nassau County who uses the LIE frequently, I know that I-495 is actually called the Long Island Expressway in Nassau. The line early in the article should be changed. Hbomberman (talk) 03:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Sentence 3
"The portion of I-495 in Suffolk County is known as the Long Island Expressway (LIE), a name commonly applied to the entirety of I-495." This appears to say that part of the highway is known as the LIE, and the whole thing is known as the LIE, too. If some distinction is being made between part of the highway, and the entire length of the highway, I can't imagine what it might be. Arcanicus (talk) 07:16, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not quite. What the sentence is saying is that the Suffolk County section is known as and named the LIE, while the rest of I-495 is named otherwise but still frequently referred to as the LIE. The distinction seems pretty clear to me. –  T M F  (talk) 21:34, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

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Harry Chapin
First of all, why is this at the top of the 'History' section, which should be in chronological order. Secondly, why is this even in this article at all? Harry's death is described in more detail on his Wikipedia entry. I don't believe this is relevant enough to this Interstate to keep. If no one disagrees, I'll remove the second in a week's time. Drumz0rz (talk) 19:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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Unsigned portions of the highway
"At this point, I-495 becomes the unsigned highway NY 495, although it is still signed as an Interstate Highway."

First off, this phrasing is nonsense. How is a highway signed and unsigned at the same time? Second, I doubt that the highway is unsigned at all. Checking it out on Google Maps I see overhead signs on the highway and on access roads/ramps referring to it as both I-495 and the LI Expressway. It's pretty clearly I-495 throughout Queens. 75.181.32.126 (talk) 02:20, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Mileage
Can someone explain to me, how it says this highway is 66.38 miles in length, while the exit list box lists exit 73 at milepost 71.02. I saw the reference with the 66.38 value but it just seems rather unusual. Perhaps I’m missing something here. Tinton5 (talk) 06:07, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Untitled
The road was known as NY-495 from the time it was built (before the Interstate system began) until the 1970's when it became federalized. This perhaps explains why its numbering is a violation of Interstate numbering rules (starting with an even number it should be a belt AROUND a city, but it's a spur INTO a city). 68.196.1.236 (talk) 01:36, 10 January 2021 (UTC)captcrisis